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Author:  Hazuki [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:06 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
But it’s just two players out and two players in. It is just replacing players and standing still. This is what arsenal do, start in a weak position with fans crying out for strengthening of the squad, arsenal then lose some players and replace them with a late trolley dash. The signings are then dressed up as arsenal having ambition but the reality is it just took us back to where we were when the squad was still in need of strengthening

Agree with that, but at the same time is difficult to make wholesale changes to an entire squad in January. It's what we've done (or haven't done) in the summer that's been the problem. As things stand now I'd be okay with Aubameyang and Malcom for Walcott and Sanchez for now.

Author:  Hazuki [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:06 pm ]
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Manchester Evening News reporting that Chelsea has made a bid for Sanchez.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:06 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Rich wrote:
We need to ditch the back 3, far too many players who don’t add anything in terms of attack or passing ability. It leaves us short in midfield and no more secure at the back.

Go back to 4-2-3-1. If you have enough talent in that front 6 you don’t need your full backs to be bombing on. How often did Liverpool’s full backs get in to the final 3rd against City?

Agree about the back four, but the concern for me with that formation would be our midfielders. I just don't see an effective two man combination in our squad, that wouldn't leave our back four too exposed.

It’s exposed already, so I’d rather watch some exciting football. If we can’t sort out any kind of balance and tactics let’s just go back to the “we’ll score more than you” method, at least it used to generally beat the teams below us with reasonable regularity

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:07 pm ]
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...and furthermore I can't see us finishing higher than we are presently, 6th. If that happens, people may think there is a shake up somewhere but the only thing I can think of that would move Stan is a second season of losing out over 30 mil in the CL.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:26 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
If we get Aubameyang (£55m) and Malcom (£40m) and get £25m plus Mkhitaryan for Sanchez and offload Walcott (£20m).....and we add all that to the £40m profit we have made in the market so far this season, we come to a grand NET spend total of £10m.

Now a club of our income, and with our needs, should be spending £100m NET this season to restructure the squad.

Arsenal too often just replace but don’t improve. If the club really want to show ambition use the remaining £90m (of my worked out budget) and buy a couple of CB and a holding mid. £30m for each gets you some decent players.

I appreciate that is a lot of figures I’ve made up but I don’t think any are far from reality, particularly the amount Arsenal should be spending on reinforcements each year.

I have less faith than you. It will be Mkh + 25 and that will be the end of our buying spree. Or Sanchez goes somewhere else and we buy f... all because Wenger will tell us we could not secure our targets. Malcolm for 40 - we will offer 25. And so it goes.

By the way I am not thinking Myh is such a great deal. Mourinho wouldn't give Wenger the steam off his piss so I am pretty sure he will be another total dud. United never give us anything good - Wellbeck Silvestre (they must still be laughing about that one) as examples.

Author:  bubblechris [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:56 pm ]
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Never Chelsa perlease. Can you imagine him playing for them on the 24th in the semi at Emirates.

No way Josey.

Why would he go to them considering the state they are in...............

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:04 pm ]
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So sad about the Cranberries singer Dolores O'Riordan. Also so young.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebri ... kL?ocid=sf

Author:  Niall [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:06 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Niall wrote:
Martial starts so that one looks highly unlikely.

Hey Niall, Aubameyang looking likely at this point. I've already come around from the reservations I had, with losing Sanchez to Man U we need to show we're still a club for top players. Aubameyang and Malcom in for Sanchez and Walcott would be a decent turnout from a monumental mess we've made for ourselves.

Hey Haz, yeah I think we could potentially come out better than what we have at the minute should we land Malcolm, Mhkitaryan and PEA this Jan. May be a good time to strike the deals too ahead of the summer madness.

Author:  Niall [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:09 pm ]
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I've lost the lines on the forum, anyone know how to get them back?

Author:  Niall [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:11 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Rich wrote:
If we get Aubameyang (£55m) and Malcom (£40m) and get £25m plus Mkhitaryan for Sanchez and offload Walcott (£20m).....and we add all that to the £40m profit we have made in the market so far this season, we come to a grand NET spend total of £10m.

Now a club of our income, and with our needs, should be spending £100m NET this season to restructure the squad.

Arsenal too often just replace but don’t improve. If the club really want to show ambition use the remaining £90m (of my worked out budget) and buy a couple of CB and a holding mid. £30m for each gets you some decent players.

I appreciate that is a lot of figures I’ve made up but I don’t think any are far from reality, particularly the amount Arsenal should be spending on reinforcements each year.

I have less faith than you. It will be Mkh + 25 and that will be the end of our buying spree. Or Sanchez goes somewhere else and we buy f... all because Wenger will tell us we could not secure our targets. Malcolm for 40 - we will offer 25. And so it goes.

By the way I am not thinking Myh is such a great deal. Mourinho wouldn't give Wenger the steam off his piss so I am pretty sure he will be another total dud. United never give us anything good - Wellbeck Silvestre (they must still be laughing about that one) as examples.

Fair point but don't we have to have some faith in Mislintat at this point - he seems to be the man behind the moves.

Mind you, I would have recommended PAE and Mkytarian for much less than he gets paid.

Author:  Bored [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:12 pm ]
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My worry is that if we do all these deals now, does that increase the likelihood of Wenger staying beyond this season? Despite the boost of getting some shiny high profile players we are still left with a pedestrian midfield and a basket case defence.

Author:  kiwipete [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:13 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Arsenal u23’s beat Man U 4-0. Nketiah scores 2

After his Norwich efforts I would have rewarded the kid with a first team start the next outing .
Wenger to me plays favourites no matter how they perform .

Could Neketiah have done worse than the bumbling Welbeck v Bournemouth .. ? I doubt it

Another thing that slightly p****** me off is Arsene 's spraying the captaincy round ... being captain of Arsenal Football Club should be an honour .

Does he spin the bottle in the dressing room beforehand Čech , Wilshere , Walcott , Arteta , Mertesacker , Koschielny , Vieira , Henry , Bergkamp , Adams , Campbell , Monreal , Ramsay , Fabregas , van Persie , Gallas , Vermaelen ... must be more .

Author:  Niall [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:25 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
So sad about the Cranberries singer Dolores O'Riordan. Also so young.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebri ... kL?ocid=sf

Yes shocking news. Wasn't a fan but did like parts of their first album and of course Dreams and Linger were very good ballads.

Great performance of Zombie on SNL..

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeahBLM0QaQ[/youtube]

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:34 pm ]
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Niall wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
I have less faith than you. It will be Mkh + 25 and that will be the end of our buying spree. Or Sanchez goes somewhere else and we buy f... all because Wenger will tell us we could not secure our targets. Malcolm for 40 - we will offer 25. And so it goes.

By the way I am not thinking Myh is such a great deal. Mourinho wouldn't give Wenger the steam off his piss so I am pretty sure he will be another total dud. United never give us anything good - Wellbeck Silvestre (they must still be laughing about that one) as examples.

Fair point but don't we have to have some faith in Mislintat at this point - he seems to be the man behind the moves.

Mind you, I would have recommended PAE and Mkytarian for much less than he gets paid.

Yes I had not considered someone else making he deals.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:38 pm ]
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Bored wrote:
My worry is that if we do all these deals now, does that increase the likelihood of Wenger staying beyond this season? Despite the boost of getting some shiny high profile players we are still left with a pedestrian midfield and a basket case defence.

Id like all signings to be players wenger doesn’t want but that have been chosen by Sven. Maybe he will realise he doesn’t have all the power anymore and will walk away

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:44 pm ]
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Up until the recent appointments Wenger basically held every position possible at the club. He was manager, coach, chief scout, leads all training, looks after the budget, contracts, psychologist, nutritionist, PR....he was even a huge part of the appointment of his own boss!

It is quite clear to me that in a modern big club the manager’s responsibilities should be picking the team and everything that happens during a match, setting the shape and tactics, overseeing all training with his team of coaches and giving his bosses a list of transfer targets. Specialists should do the rest

Author:  lomekian [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:44 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Looking at yesterday’s starting line up I ask myself how many of those players are proper creative players? Only Wilshere. Then how many of them are capable of beating or dribbling past a man? Only Wilshere.
So we have one creative player and one who can beat a man and it is the same player. So maybe wenger packed the team with pass masters....Xhaka supposedly is but he’s not exactly a metronome.
Did deeper and look at the players who are genuinely comfortable with the ball at their feet. Should be all 11 but I’d say it was only half the team.

7 defensively minded players and 4 attackers of which 2 are welbeck and iwobi. Welbeck and iwobi are the sort of players who will look good in a fantastic team, but they can’t take the mantle on themselves.


Be fair to Iwobi...he consistently beats players, its just his decision making after that that needs work. He also played a peach of a through ball for the goal, and has seen similar passes wasted by Lacazette and Theo in recent games. He's not up to the standard of our starting 11, but he is undoubtedly a dribbler and a creative player.

Author:  lomekian [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:48 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
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Cyril Regis dead aged 59 ... good old fashioned hustle and bustle centre forward one of the Three Degrees along with Cunningham and Batson ...... suffered a lot of racial abuse in the late 70's

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42687285

A good write up for a great player.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42690428

Author:  lomekian [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:21 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Arsenal u23’s beat Man U 4-0. Nketiah scores 2 and Mavropanos made his first start


Was surprising how vastly superior they were to Utd's kids who looked really poor, Gomes aside.

Author:  lomekian [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:23 am ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Never Chelsa perlease. Can you imagine him playing for them on the 24th in the semi at Emirates.

No way Josey.

Why would he go to them considering the state they are in...............


Would be cup-tied....

At this stage, if he's determined to stay in England (and for £350k a week I can see why!), let him go to the highest bidder (as long as its not spurs) and live with it.

Author:  Bernard1 [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:36 am ]
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Rich wrote:
When Sanchez goes it could be argued our only two top class players are Özil and Lacazette

Has Lacazette really done enough yet to be considered top class? I like him, but I'm not sure I already see him as top class.

Author:  lomekian [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:36 am ]
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G Nev giving Wilshere some love: http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... r-wilshere

Author:  gooner7 [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:54 am ]
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The way it is going, Arsenal will soon be a "dog" in Stan's investments. As a businessman, you keep your "cash cows" and sell the "dogs".
Soon Arsenal's balance sheet will start to look bad. The recurring revenue will not be sufficient to cover the expenses.

Revenue streams depreciating and eventually lost:
1. From Champions League to Europa League, to nothing when we become a mid-table team.
2. Reduced prize money from EPL.
3. Reduced Shirt sponsorship deals.
4. Reduced share of the TV revenues.
5. Reduced match-day receipts (fans must vote with their feet).
6. No more stars to sell. Soon we will be left with none.

Stan will not have his annual 2 million dividend soon. And the revenue will soon be insufficient to fund the club without drawing from the balance sheet. Cash flow will continue to be high (Non performing manager, under performing staff, poor players with huge wages who refused to move, upkeep of stadium and the likes). Hopefully, it gets so bad that Stan will listen to offers. And at this time, we hope the Russian (forgot his name) will step in.

Author:  kiwipete [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:57 am ]
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lomekian wrote:

Not taking anything away from Jack's performance ; but it wouldn't be too hard to stand out in that shower of sh******t that took the field in Arsenal shirts .

I reckon a collection of George Graham's worst Selley , Morrow , McGoldrick , Jensen would have looked good

Author:  Wilts-Gooner [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:17 am ]
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gooner7 wrote:
The way it is going, Arsenal will soon be a "dog" in Stan's investments. As a businessman, you keep your "cash cows" and sell the "dogs".
Soon Arsenal's balance sheet will start to look bad. The recurring revenue will not be sufficient to cover the expenses.

Revenue streams depreciating and eventually lost:
1. From Champions League to Europa League, to nothing when we become a mid-table team.
2. Reduced prize money from EPL.
3. Reduced Shirt sponsorship deals.
4. Reduced share of the TV revenues.
5. Reduced match-day receipts (fans must vote with their feet).
6. No more stars to sell. Soon we will be left with none.

Stan will not have his annual 2 million dividend soon. And the revenue will soon be insufficient to fund the club without drawing from the balance sheet. Cash flow will continue to be high (Non performing manager, under performing staff, poor players with huge wages who refused to move, upkeep of stadium and the likes). Hopefully, it gets so bad that Stan will listen to offers. And at this time, we hope the Russian (forgot his name) will step in.


I am not so sure (sadly), there is so much TV money and other income in general around at the moment that we will probably still remain profitable even if we're permanently consigned to being another of Kroenke's mediocre sports franchises, which at present looks well on course.

I can't help feeling a bitter sense of irony that we have ended up here largely because of our financial prudence, where as clubs like Chelsea and City, who were close to defaulting on debts and virtually worthless have "won the lottery" where as we are left with an effective owner who only sees us as a way to make money, without being prepared to invest himself in any way.

Ivan Gazidis certainly has his work cut out, perhaps he can try and earn that bonus... but until he does or something big changes then I will continue to boycott the club.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:09 am ]
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We ended up here because of Dein.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:18 am ]
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Stan is far, far more concerned with the Los Angeles Rams. My how the fortunes have changed. The Rams haven't had a winning season since 2003. This year after moving to Los Angeles they finished division winners with an 11-5. I have stated before that part of the reason the league let him move back to Los Angeles was that he was to, in earnest, spend enough to make the Rams a contender. The league desperately wanted a "winner" in the 2nd biggest media market in America and the home of global entertainment, Hollywood.

Stan delivered.

I recall a few posts making excuses why ALL his American sides which covers 4 sports didn't do well. Hmmm

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:23 am ]
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I actually think Gazidis is the only one who has a clue. I just think he's hamstrung. I think Stan would not back him if he challenged Wenger on how the squad is run, etc. Gazidis is a football man. Played it in university. Was President of the MLS in America. I believe he wants to win...desperately even. Stan looks at the bottom line of the balance sheet not the back pages when he wants to find out The Arsenal is doing. Wenger knows this. He's not stupid.
Gazidis can't publicly cut Wenger off at the knees. He has to 'support' Wenger for appearances sake.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:48 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
We ended up here because of Dein.

No. We are here because Wenger is a selfish prick. He decided hat his pay packet and his employment is more important than the club actually playing and achieving at football. Like most 20 year olds it is me, me, me. Everyone else is not important. Anyone with any perspective would realise it was time to move on.

For each year he stays from now I think it will take 5 years to even get back to be a challenger. I am in my early 60's - I do not expect to see another title in my lifetime while Kroenke and or Wenger have anything to do with the club.

Author:  john1 [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:05 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
When Sanchez goes it could be argued our only two top class players are Özil and Lacazette

Has Lacazette really done enough yet to be considered top class? I like him, but I'm not sure I already see him as top class.


Agreed Bernard - like aspects of his play, but top class players come up with something special even when things aren't going their way. I'm not convinced Lacazette is capable of that............yet.

That said, there have been a few occasions when he's got a run into the channel, but our midfield either isn't alert enough or too scared to play the pass, and end up going sideways. So maybe not all his fault.

Author:  Rich [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:07 am ]
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Being linked with a move for Timo Horn, cologne gk who would be available for £4.5m if cologne were relegated.
Let’s do it if only for the headlines “Wenger has the horn”, “Wenger lost his coq but found his horn”

Of gk’s I’ve properly seen I wouldn’t mind us going for Jack Butland in the summer.

Author:  john1 [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:15 am ]
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kiwipete wrote:
lomekian wrote:

Not taking anything away from Jack's performance ; but it wouldn't be too hard to stand out in that shower of sh******t that took the field in Arsenal shirts .

I reckon a collection of George Graham's worst Selley , Morrow , McGoldrick , Jensen would have looked good



I certainly don't think they would have conceded the Bournemouth goals, especially the second, with that midfield. Mind you, we wouldn't have scored our goal either. So back to the 0-0 aways - happy days!!

Author:  bubblechris [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:23 am ]
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lomekian wrote:
bubblechris wrote:
Never Chelsa perlease. Can you imagine him playing for them on the 24th in the semi at Emirates.

No way Josey.

Why would he go to them considering the state they are in...............


Would be cup-tied....

At this stage, if he's determined to stay in England (and for £350k a week I can see why!), let him go to the highest bidder (as long as its not spurs) and live with it.


Has he played in any League Cup games?

Author:  bubblechris [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:26 am ]
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Niall wrote:
I've lost the lines on the forum, anyone know how to get them back?


Niall I think you have to increase or reduce the size of the window. Or was it the zoom in and out?

Sorry can't remember which of the two choices does it.

Author:  Bernard1 [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:04 am ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Has he played in any League Cup games?

Yes. He came on as a sub in the away leg at Chelsea.

Author:  Draytonkid [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:55 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Arsenal u23’s beat Man U 4-0. Nketiah scores 2 and Mavropanos made his first start


Mavro played really well he was strong in the tackle,didn't panic, got his head on a lot of balls, interceptions as well,and distribution was very good, actually did a couple of accurate long cross field passes. A very good debut, wouldn't mind if he got some game time at the weekend.

Author:  kiwipete [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:10 am ]
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john1 wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Has Lacazette really done enough yet to be considered top class? I like him, but I'm not sure I already see him as top class.


Agreed Bernard - like aspects of his play, but top class players come up with something special even when things aren't going their way. I'm not convinced Lacazette is capable of that............yet.

That said, there have been a few occasions when he's got a run into the channel, but our midfield either isn't alert enough or too scared to play the pass, and end up going sideways. So maybe not all his fault.


He gets subbed every time a coconut when he is playing reasonably well , he hasn't started against several high profile sides and now the two stars who supply the service he'd needs are moving on , plus he has to listen to the Wenger dribble ... it is very difficult to produce your best when you are thoroughly p**sed off ...and I say that is the space Lacazette is currently occupying .

As you point out he's thinking "I'll make my run now " and the turkey with the ball passes it back to the centre half .

Author:  kiwipete [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:23 am ]
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john1 wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
Not taking anything away from Jack's performance ; but it wouldn't be too hard to stand out in that shower of sh******t that took the field in Arsenal shirts .

I reckon a collection of George Graham's worst Selley , Morrow , McGoldrick , Jensen would have looked good



I certainly don't think they would have conceded the Bournemouth goals, especially the second, with that midfield. Mind you, we wouldn't have scored our goal either. So back to the 0-0 aways - happy days!!


Not so sure about that who did we have as strikers back then Jimmy Carter , Hartson , Ian Wright ..... ?

there'd be a goal there somewhere

Author:  Hazuki [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:56 am ]
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David Ornstein saying we're close to a deal with Everton for Walcott, in excess of £20m. Good deal for us. Even though I think we should've gotten rid of him a couple of years back, I've never disliked him as much as many Arsenal fans. Very good goalscorer when on form, and had his best years ruined by injuries. Think he could be a very good signing for Everton.

Author:  Bernard1 [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:25 am ]
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kiwipete wrote:

He gets subbed every time a coconut when he is playing reasonably well , he hasn't started against several high profile sides and now the two stars who supply the service he'd needs are moving on , plus he has to listen to the Wenger dribble ... it is very difficult to produce your best when you are thoroughly p**sed off ...and I say that is the space Lacazette is currently occupying .

As you point out he's thinking "I'll make my run now " and the turkey with the ball passes it back to the centre half .
But surely nothing you say contradicts the idea that it's too early to consider him top class.

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