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Author:  warrior [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:22 pm ]
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1 - 0

Knew that was coming ....

Author:  Niall [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:23 pm ]
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Game on.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:25 pm ]
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Another defensive debacle. Nobody following the runner.

Author:  warrior [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:26 pm ]
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Yay !

1 - 1 - BFG :21encouragement:

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:26 pm ]
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Per !!!!!!!!

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:27 pm ]
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Pathetic. A free kick which is closer than a corner, arsenal leave a forest player with a free run right on top of Ospina who heads in completely unchallenged. The 2 arsenal players in the wall clearly play him onside.

What on earth are arsenal doing. There is no plan, no clue and no accountability for the unacceptable way we defend set pieces.

Now we score a set piece! Per prodding one home 1-1

Author:  Niall [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:27 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
Yay !

1 - 1 - BFG :21encouragement:

Nicely finished.

Author:  Niall [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:27 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Pathetic. A free kick which is closer than a corner, arsenal leave a forest player with a free run right on top of Ospina who heads in completely unchallenged. The 2 arsenal players in the wall clearly play him onside.

What on earth are arsenal doing. There is no plan, no clue and no accountability for the unacceptable way we defend set pieces.

Now we score a set piece! Per prodding one home 1-1

I would credit the opposition for a clever set piece myself.

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:30 pm ]
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Jon Moss. Sunderland. Join the dots.

Author:  Niall [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:33 pm ]
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Daz wrote:
Jon Moss. Sunderland. Join the dots.

:1laughter:

Author:  Niall [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:34 pm ]
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Ooh should have been 2-1

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:35 pm ]
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Nelson is playing in an advanced position

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:37 pm ]
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Niall wrote:
Rich wrote:
Pathetic. A free kick which is closer than a corner, arsenal leave a forest player with a free run right on top of Ospina who heads in completely unchallenged. The 2 arsenal players in the wall clearly play him onside.

What on earth are arsenal doing. There is no plan, no clue and no accountability for the unacceptable way we defend set pieces.

Now we score a set piece! Per prodding one home 1-1

I would credit the opposition for a clever set piece myself.

Surely arsenal should know that with our wall virtually on the deadball line there is basically no offside. So why decide to defend 6 yards out and not track a runner who finishes a yard from goal?
The delivery was excellent though. As was Theo’s free kick for our goal

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:46 pm ]
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Even average championship teams with a striker willing to make runs can drop a ball over the top of our defence for a clear run on goal.

Author:  warrior [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:48 pm ]
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Niall wrote:
Ooh should have been 2-1

Well it is now.

And a nice goal at that ...

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:50 pm ]
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2-1 forest, great finish but the defence again just can’t clear their lines. All fat too easy for forest.
Wenger quite simply doesn’t give a damn about the amount of goals we concede, even to average teams, bottom of prem, championship, Europa League fodder. Everyone can score against us very very easily

Author:  Niall [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:51 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
Niall wrote:
Ooh should have been 2-1

Well it is now.

And a nice goal at that ...

Very much deserved, Ospina had kept us in it with a few good saves prior.

Need to drastically improve second half.

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:52 pm ]
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Disappointed you spell it Lichaj because it sounds a bit like Lee High which would make him an obvious candidate for Bromley's Drugs Eleven.

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 pm ]
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Niall wrote:
warrior wrote:
Well it is now.

And a nice goal at that ...

Very much deserved, Ospina had kept us in it with a few good saves prior.

Need to drastically improve second half.

I thought we looked quite lively going forward, but to the surprise of no one on the planet wide open at the back.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:54 pm ]
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Wenger can give 2 goals to absolutely anybody.

Any team in England can score 2 goals againest us literally. There are no easy games

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:54 pm ]
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I think I go in to every arsenal game thinking I wouldn’t be surprised at any result, win lose or draw.
Chelsea at home? Could be any result
West Brom away? Same

I think the only arsenal games that don’t shock me are when we go away to a big, big team. Then I know we won’t win and only a draw and loss are available

If we turn up we can beat the best, if we don’t we can lose to the worst.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:55 pm ]
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Very good goal from Lichaj

Author:  socrates [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:55 pm ]
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Our tactic of playing without a defence today is not working well so far.

Author:  kiwipete [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:01 pm ]
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.

This is what a FA cup tie is all about ... little team get stuck in and winning [ at the moment ]
What sh*ts me from the Arsenal point of view ; is our lack of adventure
F*** ng around with the ball ....cross field , back passes all accurate as soon as we pass forward they are misplaced , overhit ....... plus lack of movement from the front runners

it's in our DNA we can't change .

Forest are moving the ball accurately creating chances .

Could be further ahead .... Arsene's message at half time ..remember Reading

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:02 pm ]
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Per needs to get in to his coaching role asap. Any average striker with an ounce of pace takes him to pieces partly because he is given zero protection. Defence is so disorganised.
I get that wenger hasn’t, doesn’t and won’t ever organise a defence, he doesn’t know how. But I still would have thought a group of professional footballers could work something out for themselves that resembled a plan.

This is why I cannot wait for a new manager because there are so many easy wins with this squad.

Author:  John [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:02 pm ]
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Even by our standards that defending has been hilarious ... we're gonna lose this 4-1.

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:04 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
Of the current 18 Premiership referees seven came up through Lancashire, Cheshire and Manchester football, and four through Yorkshire. The remaining seven come from Birmingham (2), Wiltshire (2), and one each from Northumberland, Leicestershire and Berkshire/Bucks. So, not one of them came up through the London FA or the adjoining county FAs, and not one was born in or very near to London - Graham Scott of Oxford being the closest. A remarkably unbalanced state of affairs in the running of the game.

Even assuming they do their best to exercise professional judgement in as honest a way as possible, refs are only too human, and will surely have from their backgrounds personal likes and dislikes of certain football clubs, probably developed in childhood? We all know how London is not beloved by people from the midlands and north, so it is quite possible there is some institutional bias against the capital's teams. When you consider the age of most of the Premiership men in black, Arsenal was the predominant London team in their formative years, so it is feasible our club attracts a disproportionate level of wrong decisions, even compared to other London sides. In years to come Chelsea may have that honour!


More eloquently the same point I've made on here for year - I remember having discussions with Harlow about it. The PGMOL has been run out of Manchester and disproportionally full of refs from Lancs, Cheshire & Manc for a couple of decades now, with a likewise high % from Yorkshire. Is it really likely that those three counties are really twice as good at producing referees than the rest of England and Wales combined? I've read before that there is a significant regional divide withing the PGMOL, and refs often feel pressured to relocate to one of the above areas in order to get to ref in the top flight.

Quite apart from any accusations of bias, that regional distrubution can't be right. The last ref based in the south East in the top flight bar the aforementioned Graham Scott was Steve Bennett who retired 8 years ago.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:04 pm ]
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Watched their first goal again. Why oh why is noboby picking up Lichaj?

Author:  John [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:04 pm ]
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Who remembers that 5th round tie away at Forest in 79 the comms mentioned. I think the most nerve wracking 20 minutes of Sportsnight I ever saw.

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:07 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Papers say we are close to signing Jonny Evans for 25 million. I know we are desperate for defensive reinforcements but that doesn't seem very forward thinking signing given he's 30 and hasn't set the world alight. It's probably arsene trying to wind up that new scout.

Oh did you see the comments Arsene made about that new Sven bloke By the way? He didn't come across as bitter at all did he. Pretty much said the appointment was needless as we know all the players in Europe anyway.


Caesar can feel the knives being sharpened...

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:09 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Goonie wrote:

Hope he signs a new contract with us soon. Think he can do the Cazorla role well but won't be too bad at the Özil role either.

I think it is a no brainer. I understand the risk of his injury record but we can't lose Jack for free. This isn't like Özil or Sanchez. Jack wants to play for us. With Jack playing as he is and with the protection of a 3/4 year deal then he is a £30m+ player.

Also, funny how Wenger has been moaning for years about better protection for players, but I saw as soon as Pep started asking for protection for players like De Bruyn the press were all over it agreeing with him. The only response Wenger ever got was to toughen our players up and deal with these sorts of tactics. I think we all knew at the time that it would need a serious injury to an england/media favourite for anyone to start noticing.


Agree on both counts

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:11 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
old man of hoy wrote:
Of the current 18 Premiership referees seven came up through Lancashire, Cheshire and Manchester football, and four through Yorkshire. The remaining seven come from Birmingham (2), Wiltshire (2), and one each from Northumberland, Leicestershire and Berkshire/Bucks. So, not one of them came up through the London FA or the adjoining county FAs, and not one was born in or very near to London - Graham Scott of Oxford being the closest. A remarkably unbalanced state of affairs in the running of the game.

Even assuming they do their best to exercise professional judgement in as honest a way as possible, refs are only too human, and will surely have from their backgrounds personal likes and dislikes of certain football clubs, probably developed in childhood? We all know how London is not beloved by people from the midlands and north, so it is quite possible there is some institutional bias against the capital's teams. When you consider the age of most of the Premiership men in black, Arsenal was the predominant London team in their formative years, so it is feasible our club attracts a disproportionate level of wrong decisions, even compared to other London sides. In years to come Chelsea may have that honour!


More eloquently the same point I've made on here for year - I remember having discussions with Harlow about it. The PGMOL has been run out of Manchester and disproportionally full of refs from Lancs, Cheshire & Manc for a couple of decades now, with a likewise high % from Yorkshire. Is it really likely that those three counties are really twice as good at producing referees than the rest of England and Wales combined? I've read before that there is a significant regional divide withing the PGMOL, and refs often feel pressured to relocate to one of the above areas in order to get to ref in the top flight.

Quite apart from any accusations of bias, that regional distrubution can't be right. The last ref based in the south East in the top flight bar the aforementioned Graham Scott was Steve Bennett who retired 8 years ago.



All very well but what it does not show in any shape or form is that this disparity produces refs who are biased against London clubs and Arsenal in particular.

By the way, percentages are extremely misleading in reporting disparities as opposed to natural frequencies. Why not just give the numbers? The media often report some startling percentage risk increase of heart attacks or stroke in, say, taking painkillers when the difference in actual numbers is not really alarming. A 20% increase or decrease may be not very much at all - the percentage just makes it sound scarily significant.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:20 pm ]
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What has Welbeck done so far in this game?

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:22 pm ]
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15 mins of total domination from arsenal, not a single shot to show for it. Forest make the first foray in to our half and very nearly score.
Arsenal in a nutshell

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:24 pm ]
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Um...

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:24 pm ]
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Holding is stupid. Sometimes you can’t win the ball from a striker if he’s held it up well.

Now he gives away a penalty.

Seriously half this squad needs to be shipped out

Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:24 pm ]
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Ah well. We can concentrate on the League now.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:25 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
15 mins of total domination from arsenal, not a single shot to show for it. Forest make the first foray in to our half and very nearly score.
Arsenal in a nutshell


Second foray and they get a penalty, and a goal

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:27 pm ]
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Does Wenger get to do a post-match interview if he's on a touchline ban?

I sure hope so.

Author:  Bernard1 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:29 pm ]
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John wrote:
Who remembers that 5th round tie away at Forest in 79 the comms mentioned. I think the most nerve wracking 20 minutes of Sportsnight I ever saw.

Didn't hear the commentators but was that the 0-1 win with a header by Stapleton? If so I went.

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