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Author:  Bernard [ Sat May 14, 2022 4:38 pm ]
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DHD wrote:
So Cup Final day. Used to be the biggest game in world football - far and away the biggest game in English football. Started with the build up through the week then “Who’ll Win The Cup” on Friday evening. Panels and pundits, the arrival of the teams, communal singing and presentations. I used to absolutely love it.

Not quite the same these days, is it?

I used to watch the whole game, even when Arsenal we weren’t in the final (if we were I went). The first FA Cup final not involving Arsenal that I didn’t bother watching was the Manchester City vs Stoke final in 2011. Since then the only ones I’ve watched in full are those when Arsenal reached the final. So I agree, it’s not the same these days.

I hardly ever watch full games not involving Arsenal now, although I probably will watch the Rangers vs Frankfurt Europa League final next Wednesday.
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat May 14, 2022 5:16 pm ]
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Mané elbows someone in the head worse than Holding and doesn’t get booked. He does it most games
Author:  long time gooner [ Sat May 14, 2022 6:02 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
So, not really a supporter then.


If that's the standard, then there are maybe half a dozen 'real' supporters then. :toothy9:

Over the years, a litany of SG forumites have said they stopped watching us and take what you guys refer to as a 'flounce'. Babu said he changed to Chelsea and I never heard that said to him but okay...lol (maybe he got a pass because it was assume he was off his meds)

So, just to make sure, not bothered over the next two games BUT a couple decades of watching and watching all games next season isn't a fan? Got it chief. :53big-emoticons:

Luckily for me, my personal standards of being a fan are my own.

You’re quite right. It’s all down to individual perspective.

I have never understood people who leave a ground if their team is not doing well. Not at all what I’d call support. I have never left a ground early.

Same really for saying in advance that I’ll watch until the team is not doing well. Far removed from my view of support.

The key issue is in the word ‘support’.

But you have a different view. Fair enough. Each to their own.
Author:  long time gooner [ Sat May 14, 2022 6:04 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Mané elbows someone in the head worse than Holding and doesn’t get booked. He does it most games

You’re quite right. Officiating is inconsistent and capricious. Effing annoying really.
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat May 14, 2022 6:09 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Mané elbows someone in the head worse than Holding and doesn’t get booked. He does it most games

You’re quite right. Officiating is inconsistent and capricious. Effing annoying really.

Also Konate did something identical as last man.
Author:  long time gooner [ Sat May 14, 2022 6:24 pm ]
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Penalty shootout. Been coming for ages.

They’re going to have to be more accurate than the endless succession of almost shots.
Author:  DHD [ Sat May 14, 2022 6:51 pm ]
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So Liverpool win. Really good game - best I’ve seen for years, not that I’ve watched many. End to end for 120 mins. Some tremendous performances with no real controversies. Diaz was sensational.

Personally I wanted them both to lose but I think I wanted CFC to lose more.
Author:  Rich [ Sat May 14, 2022 7:58 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
You’re quite right. Officiating is inconsistent and capricious. Effing annoying really.

Also Konate did something identical as last man.

Apparently Tierney was the var ref today
Author:  Rich [ Sat May 14, 2022 8:01 pm ]
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Looks like we’re making some early moves in the transfer market.
Turner done for £7m or so
Young Brazilian winger Marquinhos for £3m
Strong rumours of a deal for Aaron Hickey from Bologna for £18m -good strategy to go back and get another full back from that after the success of the last
I can see the Jesus deal going through as well.

Bring back and integrate Saliba and get another top class centre mid and striker and that would be a great summer and would surely only see us get stronger next year
Author:  Rich [ Sat May 14, 2022 9:37 pm ]
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3 Fa cup final losses in a row for Chelsea
Author:  Ash [ Sat May 14, 2022 10:29 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
3 Fa cup final losses in a row for Chelsea


You love to see it.
Author:  Ash [ Sat May 14, 2022 10:34 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Looks like we’re making some early moves in the transfer market.
Turner done for £7m or so
Young Brazilian winger Marquinhos for £3m
Strong rumours of a deal for Aaron Hickey from Bologna for £18m -good strategy to go back and get another full back from that after the success of the last
I can see the Jesus deal going through as well.

Bring back and integrate Saliba and get another top class centre mid and striker and that would be a great summer and would surely only see us get stronger next year


I’m intrigued how our business would be different depending if we finish 4th or 5th. I’m sure lots will be said about it, especially if we’re in the Europa, but we’ll just never know. I’d have thought Jesus coming would hinge on Champs league though.

Agree with all of this btw. Happy to have the CBs we’ve got plus Saliba. Do you think the current young players we have are ready for Champions league, and moreover a season including champions league and all the other fixtures? We’ll need a much larger squad than we currently have.
Author:  warrior [ Sun May 15, 2022 3:53 am ]
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Rich wrote:
3 Fa cup final losses in a row for Chelsea

Gee that's too bad.

Anyway ....
Author:  long time gooner [ Sun May 15, 2022 6:13 am ]
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I had quite forgotten that the League Cup final was also Liverpool beating Chelsea and also on penalties.

I guess that it’s the first time since 1993 that there has a doubling up of finalists.
Author:  Rich [ Sun May 15, 2022 6:49 am ]
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... 52516693-2

Seems odd to write an entire piece on Arteta complaining about some ref decisions when all the top managers complain all season long. Tuchel complained about the grass on his own pitch, Conte threatened to leave when he lost to Burnley
Author:  long time gooner [ Sun May 15, 2022 6:49 am ]
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Former Premier League referee Mark Clattenburg on Spurs' penalty against Arsenal

“If we're going to give this as a penalty, I could find plenty of other examples when the same ‘foul' has occurred in the box in other games.”


He’s not wrong is he?
Author:  john1 [ Sun May 15, 2022 6:57 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Former Premier League referee Mark Clattenburg on Spurs' penalty against Arsenal

“If we're going to give this as a penalty, I could find plenty of other examples when the same ‘foul' has occurred in the box in other games.”


He’s not wrong is he?


No. One in the Final yesterday - would itself have been soft, but far more of a push than ours. Konate on Ziyech I think?
Author:  Rich [ Sun May 15, 2022 6:59 am ]
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Ash wrote:

Agree with all of this btw. Happy to have the CBs we’ve got plus Saliba. Do you think the current young players we have are ready for Champions league, and moreover a season including champions league and all the other fixtures? We’ll need a much larger squad than we currently have.

I thought the same question recently so went to look at the champions league group stage and tried to think where we would fare in each of the groups
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_UEFA_Champions_League
I think we’d be in a fight for 2nd/3rd at the worst. I also think we shouldn’t underestimate the ability of Prem teams (not Man U) to play at a pace and intensity that a lot of European clubs can struggle with. We can play like that.
The question of whether we can cope fighting on two fronts, right now no chance, I think we need at least 6 more players in the squad for that to get to 25 players.
1 x CB
1 x ambidextrous full back
1 x CM
2x striker
And depending on the flexibility of those and if elneny/Nketiah sign a new deal then maybe another wide player or another central player.

We need to look at where we’ve been hurt the most with injuries and bring players in to fill those gaps.
Author:  john1 [ Sun May 15, 2022 7:17 am ]
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Ash wrote:
Rich wrote:
Looks like we’re making some early moves in the transfer market.
Turner done for £7m or so
Young Brazilian winger Marquinhos for £3m
Strong rumours of a deal for Aaron Hickey from Bologna for £18m -good strategy to go back and get another full back from that after the success of the last
I can see the Jesus deal going through as well.

Bring back and integrate Saliba and get another top class centre mid and striker and that would be a great summer and would surely only see us get stronger next year


I’m intrigued how our business would be different depending if we finish 4th or 5th. I’m sure lots will be said about it, especially if we’re in the Europa, but we’ll just never know. I’d have thought Jesus coming would hinge on Champs league though.

Agree with all of this btw. Happy to have the CBs we’ve got plus Saliba. Do you think the current young players we have are ready for Champions league, and moreover a season including champions league and all the other fixtures? We’ll need a much larger squad than we currently have.


We definitely need a larger squad, agree on that. As for whether our players are ready; my answer is they're good enough, so they'll be ready.
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun May 15, 2022 8:23 am ]
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john1 wrote:
Ash wrote:

I’m intrigued how our business would be different depending if we finish 4th or 5th. I’m sure lots will be said about it, especially if we’re in the Europa, but we’ll just never know. I’d have thought Jesus coming would hinge on Champs league though.

Agree with all of this btw. Happy to have the CBs we’ve got plus Saliba. Do you think the current young players we have are ready for Champions league, and moreover a season including champions league and all the other fixtures? We’ll need a much larger squad than we currently have.


We definitely need a larger squad, agree on that. As for whether our players are ready; my answer is they're good enough, so they'll be ready.


I think our first 11 is ready but squad isn’t built for 3 domestic and 1 European competition across a Season like you said. It’s too small and when the injuries hit things will come really adrift.

I think there’s a lot to be taken from the managers comments that he needs 22 players plus 3 keepers.

We are being linked with Hickey the young Scottish left back which is interesting but it’s also been mooted we might swap Pablo Mari for the udinese right back plus some cash. If that happened with saliba returning our defence would be well and truly sorted for good. The transfer business will be interesting on how they approach improving the first team but also beef up the numbers
Author:  Rich [ Sun May 15, 2022 8:25 am ]
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Not seen much noise on the decline of Kante. It’s as though no one is allowed to say it because of what a lovely humble bloke he is. Kovacic has been far and away Chelsea’s best centre mid this season, and Kante hasn’t been world class for a couple of seasons now
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun May 15, 2022 8:30 am ]
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Bellerin, guendouzi, nelson, Torreira, Pépé, mavropanos, Mari.

Surely that’s 60 million in incomings transfer fees at least. Should provide a decent budget for restructuring
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun May 15, 2022 8:32 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Not seen much noise on the decline of Kante. It’s as though no one is allowed to say it because of what a lovely humble bloke he is. Kovacic has been far and away Chelsea’s best centre mid this season, and Kante hasn’t been world class for a couple of seasons now

He’s being linked with man united. His game was all action so it must be hard to maintain that as you get into your thirties. Honestly not getting him was wengers biggest mistake in his latter years. Spending 6 million more on xhaka
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun May 15, 2022 8:43 am ]
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Will be cheering for Burnley and West Ham and I think the 'ammers have a pretty good shot of getting a draw. They are a tough nut to cra... er...ah...they are often bit tough to beat at home. :42laughter:

Still hoping Liverpool pips City to the title. Putting distance between them and Man Utd for most titles and a stronger possiblity of a quadruple and reducing the significance of the '99 treble, albeit it, it will always remian an incredible accomplishment. Just not as incredible. :7laughter:
Author:  john1 [ Sun May 15, 2022 8:46 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:

Still hoping Liverpool pips City to the title. Putting distance between them and Man Utd for most titles and a stronger possiblity of a quadruple and reducing the significance of the '99 treble, albeit it, it will always remian an incredible accomplishment. Just not as incredible. :7laughter:


He's got absolutely no idea has he?
Author:  dec [ Sun May 15, 2022 9:23 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Not seen much noise on the decline of Kante. It’s as though no one is allowed to say it because of what a lovely humble bloke he is. Kovacic has been far and away Chelsea’s best centre mid this season, and Kante hasn’t been world class for a couple of seasons now

He's not had a good season, but he was absolutely superb in the closing stages of last season. They wouldn't have won the CL without him.
Author:  old man of hoy [ Sun May 15, 2022 10:27 am ]
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DHD wrote:
So Cup Final day. Used to be the biggest game in world football - far and away the biggest game in English football. Started with the build up through the week then “Who’ll Win The Cup” on Friday evening. Panels and pundits, the arrival of the teams, communal singing and presentations. I used to absolutely love it. Not quite the same these days, is it?
Yes, hate to admit it but it is losing its pull compared to the past. This year the ridiculous start time didn't help, and the almost inevitable appearance of one of the Big Three in the final bores me. I still love the FA Cup as a competition but like marriage, all the romance is in the earlier rounds...
Author:  Rich [ Sun May 15, 2022 10:27 am ]
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Reading more about Hickey. He only uses his dominant foot, his left, 61% of the time. For context Cazorla used his strong foot 68% of the time.

Arteta going for two footed and flexible players
Author:  old man of hoy [ Sun May 15, 2022 10:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Supporters Forum
Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I’ve given up on explaining the footballing aspect of the sport to you. Happy to chat about other stuff though
Or perhaps you’ve realised you said something stupid.
"Like I love you?"
Author:  Bernard [ Sun May 15, 2022 10:33 am ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Or perhaps you’ve realised you said something stupid.
"Like I love you?"

Surely depends on who you say it to?
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun May 15, 2022 11:49 am ]
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Spurs nil nil at half time

They couldn’t could they ?

This would be the funniest thing ever.
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun May 15, 2022 11:51 am ]
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Offs ignore that they are about to be given a joke penalty

*%^@ this
Author:  long time gooner [ Sun May 15, 2022 11:51 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Spurs nil nil at half time

They couldn’t could they ?

This would be the funniest thing ever.

Looks like VAR is going to put paid to that. :20hospitals:

Horribly lucky there.
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun May 15, 2022 11:53 am ]
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That’s an absolute joke. It’s literally nothing and to hear the commentators try and justify this nonsense is absurd. If that relegates Burnley and i was a Burnley fan id stop following the sport.

Football is a joke now
Author:  Andy Green [ Sun May 15, 2022 11:54 am ]
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VAR f’s us. Ridiculous penalty.
Author:  long time gooner [ Sun May 15, 2022 11:55 am ]
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Awarding what in effect is a goal for such an offence is disproportionate and game defining.

This set of laws of the game really is a nonsense.
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun May 15, 2022 11:55 am ]
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It evens itself out over a season you know.

DOES IT BOLLOCKS
Author:  Andy Green [ Sun May 15, 2022 11:55 am ]
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TG you are right. Football when measured by these ridiculous VAR’s is a joke.
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun May 15, 2022 12:04 pm ]
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There is no actual offence committed

Then they try and justify by talking about an unnatural position of the arm. Unnatural my arse, if that was the case then human beings wouldn’t need staircase bannisters to steady themselves going up them. Look at the arm movements of Olympic sprinters, they ain’t by their sides


Utter *%^@*** drivel. The rules of this sport are now so open to manipulation and error you are watching something that is a sporting version of pinball where a slight slip and the direction can go anywhere. The rules have been *%^@** with so much.


Utter useless slags from hell. Hang your heads in shame at what you’ve done to the sport.
Author:  david.d [ Sun May 15, 2022 12:05 pm ]
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*%^@*** typical they get a penalty in the last *%^@*** minute after being toothless all half.
Can't stand this spurs team.
No way Burnley are scoring now.
We have to win tomorrow
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