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Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:43 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Fair result in the end, but it flattered Chelsea more than us. This is not the game we will regret when we sum up the season.

Fair comment. You see tonight and look at WBA and wonder.

Author:  John [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:44 pm ]
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Good game. Although we played the better football we can count ourselves lucky that Morata was so poor. We could easily have lost that regardless of whether we deserved to or not.
Chambers was like a competition winner in the first half.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:45 pm ]
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John wrote:
Good game. Although we played the better football we can count ourselves lucky that Morata was so poor. We could easily have lost that regardless of whether we deserved to or not.
Chambers was like a competition winner in the first half.

He should have buried all 3 on another night

Author:  bubblechris [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:45 pm ]
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Neville gushing over Maitland-Niles. Couldn't he play in midfield?

Author:  Niall [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:47 pm ]
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John wrote:
Good game. Although we played the better football we can count ourselves lucky that Morata was so poor. We could easily have lost that regardless of whether we deserved to or not.
Chambers was like a competition winner in the first half.

Indeed, Morata was absolutely dreadful, should have had a hat-trick.
Nevertheless, we didn't deserve to lose that game and again that's an incredibly soft penalty given against us. Looking forward to seeing it again, last I looked I thought Bellerin might have got a toe on it.
Pleased for Bellerin to hit that equaliser just seconds after a lack of quality from both him and Welbeck in great crossing positions looked like it had cost us.

Özil, magnificent tonight.

Author:  john1 [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:47 pm ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Neville gushing over Maitland-Niles. Couldn't he play in midfield?


He played very well indeed - with more experience he'll become a fine player

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:47 pm ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Neville gushing over Maitland-Niles. Couldn't he play in midfield?

Start putting players in their natural positions and no telling where it will end.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:49 pm ]
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"A great advert for the premiership"

When that gets said you know our defence is all over the place again

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:49 pm ]
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Looking at the replays, the penalty decision was correct. Not much in it and Hazard made a meal out of it, but clear contact.

Author:  bubblechris [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:51 pm ]
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Yes he made contact with Hazards foot, underneath, after Hazard had played it but no way did he impede Hazard who could never have got to it before Jack so why give a penalty?

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:52 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Looking at the replays, the penalty decision was correct. Not much in it and Hazard made a meal out of it, but clear contact.

That being said, Bellerin was really good today. Glad he got the equalizer.

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:53 pm ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Yes he made contact with Hazards foot, underneath, after Hazard had played it but no way did he impede Hazard who could never have got to it before Jack so why give a penalty?

Because you can't kick opponents?

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:54 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Looking at the replays, the penalty decision was correct. Not much in it and Hazard made a meal out of it, but clear contact.

As the VAR has been trialed in Oz , it would not likely have been overturned.

Author:  kiwipete [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:58 pm ]
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Plenty of talking points ...... entertaining game depending on your viewpoint ....whether you are a glass half full or half empty merchant .
Walcott on with three minutes to go ..... :icon_scratch: I was calling for him to come on at 65 minutes .

Replacing Lacazette your most potent weapon with the " Scuff Specialist " Welbeck .... :icon_scratch:

Soft penalty ...but a challenge that didn't need to be made .

We had the winning off that game , Chelsea very poor earlier on , they lack the cutting edge of Costa but for us a lot of good chances thrown away by abysmally bad passing

.... but then in the end thanks to Morata having a mare probably should be happy with the point . :sad4: :laughing7:

Author:  Daz [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:00 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Looking at the replays, the penalty decision was correct. Not much in it and Hazard made a meal out of it, but clear contact.


Definite penalty.

Author:  Niall [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:03 pm ]
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Yes, have to concede it was a penalty.

Author:  John [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:04 pm ]
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Wenger to make a knob of himself in 5....4....3....

Author:  John [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:05 pm ]
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Jack was a very lucky boy too.

Author:  Niall [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:06 pm ]
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Here's a question.

Why doesn't Wenger buy a decent central defensive midfielder and a couple of kick-ass centre-halfs?

We might be all right then.

Having said that, our bench was tragic tonight.

Author:  kiwipete [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:07 pm ]
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John wrote:
Wenger to make a knob of himself in 5....4....3....


:laughing7: :laughing7: :1laughter:

Author:  socrates [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:08 pm ]
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Great game of football.

We actually played pretty well going forward, Özil was superb.

Admittedly it was a makeshift defence but our defending is just shocking, we are so amateurish in our organisation and decision-making.

Author:  socrates [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:08 pm ]
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Niall wrote:
Here's a question.

Why doesn't Wenger buy a decent central defensive midfielder and a couple of kick-ass centre-halfs?

We might be all right then.



Sadly we've been saying that for a decade or more.

Author:  socrates [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:09 pm ]
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I think there's more chance of me shagging Kylie Minogue than of Čech saving a pen.

Author:  lomekian [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:09 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
That's the thing I know I will struggle with.

When wenger does finally leave the furore will be spectacular with sky, BBC and all news outlets claiming he was a visionary who changed football, built Arsenal football club, created the emirates blah blah blah, ex players praising him, maybe even a huge send off after a game with a huge public display of gratitude

It won't reflect the true nature of his tenureship, the damage he caused Arsenal, the bollocks he said, the nonsense about how he sacrificed his life for Arsenal, his bollocks about morality (from a man who cheated on his wife) etc etc etc

Listening to the acclaim will be one bitter pill


The taste of the pill will be determined by your own level of grace.

Author:  Daz [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:10 pm ]
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*%^@ off Wenger, you *%^@*** whining ponce.

Author:  John [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:10 pm ]
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John wrote:
Wenger to make a knob of himself in 5....4....3....

2.....1. Boom.

Author:  lomekian [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:10 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Özil has been brilliant today.


He's been brilliant for most of the last month and a half.

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:11 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
Admittedly it was a makeshift defence but our defending is just shocking, we are so amateurish in our organisation and decision-making.

Yeah, I have more sympathy for our defense today as they've never really played together. Chambers is just not good enough, but I still think Holding can become good. We're desperate for a leader at the back.

Really hoping Maitland-Niles get a couple of games in central midfield this season. He's a real gem.

Author:  Daz [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:11 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
That's the thing I know I will struggle with.

When wenger does finally leave the furore will be spectacular with sky, BBC and all news outlets claiming he was a visionary who changed football, built Arsenal football club, created the emirates blah blah blah, ex players praising him, maybe even a huge send off after a game with a huge public display of gratitude

It won't reflect the true nature of his tenureship, the damage he caused Arsenal, the bollocks he said, the nonsense about how he sacrificed his life for Arsenal, his bollocks about morality (from a man who cheated on his wife) etc etc etc

Listening to the acclaim will be one bitter pill


The taste of the pill will be determined by your own level of grace.


I don't care about the pill - him leaving will remove any bitterness the insufferable prick.

Author:  lomekian [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:12 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
I think there's more chance of me shagging Kylie Minogue than of Čech saving a pen.


Spunked all his penalty luck winning Chavski the Champions League in the year they were rubbish

Author:  John [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:12 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
Hazuki wrote:
Özil has been brilliant today.


He's been brilliant for most of the last month and a half.

Yup...

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:15 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
I think there's more chance of me shagging Kylie Minogue than of Čech saving a pen.


You should be so lucky



.... sorry I'll get me coat

Author:  lomekian [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:16 pm ]
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Daz wrote:
lomekian wrote:

The taste of the pill will be determined by your own level of grace.


I don't care about the pill - him leaving will remove any bitterness the insufferable prick.


I don't feel as strongly as you, but I share the overall feeling. His departure will be relief tinged with sadness...the sadness being that someone who was so brilliant, and still has some great managerial qualities, allowed time to pass him by through stubbornness, where a little more flexibility, delegation and expenditure augmented with his own positive qualities might have seen us win much more than we have.

But anyone angry that he gets a big pat on the back when he goes is just being a prick themselves. He may have served himself as much, but he has certainly served this club, just not always as effectively as it once appeared.

Author:  Niall [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:17 pm ]
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Can't argue with anything Carragher has said.

Author:  Daz [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:19 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
Daz wrote:

I don't care about the pill - him leaving will remove any bitterness the insufferable prick.


I don't feel as strongly as you, but I share the overall feeling. His departure will be relief tinged with sadness...the sadness being that someone who was so brilliant, and still has some great managerial qualities, allowed time to pass him by through stubbornness, where a little more flexibility, delegation and expenditure augmented with his own positive qualities might have seen us win much more than we have.

But anyone angry that he gets a big pat on the back when he goes is just being a prick themselves. He may have served himself as much, but he has certainly served this club, just not always as effectively as it once appeared.


I would have definitely agreed with you until the end of last season. Not now. I think he is an utter embarrassment and has forfeited the right for a dignified departure that was totally open to him after the FA cup final. I feel nothing but contempt for him.

Author:  kiwipete [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:20 pm ]
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Niall wrote:
Here's a question.

Why doesn't Wenger buy a decent central defensive midfielder and a couple of kick-ass centre-halfs?

I like these easy ones ..... a hard arse ...think Roy Keane , Alan Ball , Tony Adams , Martin Keown , Dennis Wise will have strong opinions and likely to express them .

...... that isn't the Wenger way .... harps playing gently , water feature noises ...... no angry home truths in our dressing room

Author:  lomekian [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:21 pm ]
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As for tonight...an absorbing game, alternating between fantastic quality and dross. Taylor managed to get the big calls right and a lot of little ones wrong, which on balance probably just favoured us. Neither team is that good. Chelsea's midfield looks worse than ours, despite 3 of them being there, and our makeshift back line was poor even by our own standards.

Morata on form would have won the game comfortably for Chelsea. But equally without Courtois we would have won comfortably. A draw a far result between two flawed teams...

Haven't read Wenger's post match comments, but dreading them. Re refs, he's in danger of going all D-Fens, and that's coming from me.

Author:  Daz [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:27 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
Haven't read Wenger's post match comments, but dreading them. Re refs, he's in danger of going all D-Fens, and that's coming from me.


You're right to do so. You could perhaps say that it was harsh but it wasn't farcical. All the pundits concurred that it was a penalty, correctly in my opinion as Bellerin clearly kicks Hazard's foot instead of the ball. What annoys me so much about Wenger is that he tries to portray it as ludicrous and beyond belief just as he did with the Lacazette offside. It was marginal and had Bellerin got away with it I would have thought "bit lucky there but fair play". Wenger insisting it is a travesty of justice reveals how pathetic he has become.

Author:  lomekian [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:28 pm ]
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Daz wrote:
lomekian wrote:

I don't feel as strongly as you, but I share the overall feeling. His departure will be relief tinged with sadness...the sadness being that someone who was so brilliant, and still has some great managerial qualities, allowed time to pass him by through stubbornness, where a little more flexibility, delegation and expenditure augmented with his own positive qualities might have seen us win much more than we have.

But anyone angry that he gets a big pat on the back when he goes is just being a prick themselves. He may have served himself as much, but he has certainly served this club, just not always as effectively as it once appeared.


I would have definitely agreed with you until the end of last season. Not now. I think he is an utter embarrassment and has forfeited the right for a dignified departure that was totally open to him after the FA cup final. I feel nothing but contempt for him.


Do you honestly think the club were remotely prepped for him to leave? His self-indulgence was disappointing, but had he actually left last summer we would have had such a power vacuum, where we would have just created another Wenger power figure. Now we have specialists in sports science, scouting, negotiations and a Director of Football in waiting, and by the end of the season we are in, a structure will be in place that will make the manager expendable.

We needed him to stay as a club, even though the team suffered. Now we need him to either pull out a late season miraculous change or leave in the summer. The latter is rather more likely than the former. A one year contract would have been more honest, but that would have left him a lame duck.

Author:  Niall [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:32 pm ]
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So, does anyone subscribe to Wenger's view that the penalty was soft? He commented that there would be 10 penalties a game if all those types are given. I think it's the use of the word "farcical" that did sound a little embarrassing - but then Wenger has always liked a whinge and he's nicer about it than that arse Mourinho.

It's definitely a soft penalty.

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