Ash wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
We will be roundly criticised for not stopping play
Guarantee we wont
Yes, we will be applauded for it
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| Author: | gooner7 [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:31 pm ] |
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We will be roundly criticised for not stopping play |
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| Author: | Decaf [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:32 pm ] |
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Another mystery goal! Marvellous |
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| Author: | Decaf [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:32 pm ] |
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Another mystery goal! Marvellous |
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| Author: | Ash [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:34 pm ] |
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gooner7 wrote: We will be roundly criticised for not stopping play Guarantee we wont |
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| Author: | gooner7 [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:34 pm ] |
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Well done Eddie!!!!! |
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| Author: | Lincoln gooner [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:34 pm ] |
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Fair play to Vieira he’s made the difference |
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| Author: | gooner7 [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:35 pm ] |
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Ash wrote: gooner7 wrote: We will be roundly criticised for not stopping play Guarantee we wont Yes, we will be applauded for it
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| Author: | Ash [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:36 pm ] |
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Lincoln gooner wrote: Fair play to Vieira he’s made the difference Absolutely. Perhaps (hopefully) the position Havertz will find himself in a season’s time. |
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| Author: | Ash [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:38 pm ] |
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That looked *%^@*** miles outside the box by Leno!! |
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| Author: | Lincoln gooner [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:42 pm ] |
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Shirley Bassey’s lad sent off. Bye bye. |
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| Author: | Decaf [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:42 pm ] |
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gooner7 wrote: Well done Eddie!!!!! 
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| Author: | Ash [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:42 pm ] |
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Got Tomiyasu’d |
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| Author: | gooner7 [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:43 pm ] |
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Nketiah Captain????? |
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| Author: | Lincoln gooner [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:45 pm ] |
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| Author: | Decaf [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:45 pm ] |
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So sloppy and tentative |
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| Author: | gooner7 [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:45 pm ] |
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Shucks |
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| Author: | Decaf [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:45 pm ] |
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Why? |
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| Author: | Rich [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:46 pm ] |
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Unforgivable against 10 men |
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| Author: | Decaf [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:46 pm ] |
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As soon as we went ahead we stopped playing. |
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| Author: | Lincoln gooner [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:48 pm ] |
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Whatever the final outcome this hasn’t been anywhere near good enough. |
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| Author: | Ash [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:48 pm ] |
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Lincoln gooner wrote: Whatever the final outcome this hasn’t been anywhere near good enough. Shambolic |
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| Author: | gooner7 [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:01 pm ] |
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Extremely disappointed. Lax defending against 10 men. It was Saka who didnt follow his man. Both goals were due to him, unfortunately. |
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| Author: | Rich [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:03 pm ] |
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Enough of the experimental stuff. We got away with it in the first two games and have been punished now. It’s arrogant to think you can totally change up the successful relationships in the team and immediately create new ones. Get back to what worked last season. Arteta wants that extra midfielder when he thinks we’ll dominate games, we should be more than good enough to win these games with a conventional back 4. I worry now that Havertz will be Arteta’s stubborn player, he’ll keep picking him to try to prove himself right for signing him but he should have been eased in gradually as he’s playing a new position. 2 huge points lost no matter how many ways you cut it |
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| Author: | Gaz from Oz [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:03 pm ] |
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So that’s what 200 million gets you. The remaining factor from last season is a manager who does not want us to take chances after we lead. |
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| Author: | AmericanGooner [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:04 pm ] |
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Although we are stronger on paper, we are closer to the Arsenal of the 2nd half of last season rather than the 1st half. I don't see where we are 'better'. 2 relatively easy games as PL games go and we have struggled more than we should in either. |
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| Author: | Rich [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:11 pm ] |
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Surely also it’s short sighted to have to change the entire system and put square pegs in round holes when one player (Zinchenko) is out. Maybe that’s why timber was bought but we should be able to beat Fulham in a bog standard 4-3-3 as long as the players stop making these stupid mistakes. 2 shots on target for Fulham 2 goals. It seems to have been some time since our opponents had to actually work hard and buildup pressure on us to score a goal. When was the last time you felt ‘that goal was coming’ from the opposition? |
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| Author: | Rich [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:14 pm ] |
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AmericanGooner wrote: Although we are stronger on paper, we are closer to the Arsenal of the 2nd half of last season rather than the 1st half. I don't see where we are 'better'. 2 relatively easy games as PL games go and we have struggled more than we should in either. Arteta in the first 3 games this season has almost made an entire new team, only Ødegaard, Saka and Martinelli are the same consistent starters in the same positions. White has moved to CB, Saliba to left CB, Partey to RB, Havertz/rice in to replace Xhaka, all sorts in to replace zinny, and no Jesus. It’s actually quite a different team to the start of last season due to injury and Arteta’s experimenting |
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| Author: | Decaf [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:14 pm ] |
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Rich wrote: Enough of the experimental stuff. We got away with it in the first two games and have been punished now. It’s arrogant to think you can totally change up the successful relationships in the team and immediately create new ones. Get back to what worked last season. Arteta wants that extra midfielder when he thinks we’ll dominate games, we should be more than good enough to win these games with a conventional back 4. I worry now that Havertz will be Arteta’s stubborn player, he’ll keep picking him to try to prove himself right for signing him but he should have been eased in gradually as he’s playing a new position. 2 huge points lost no matter how many ways you cut it Yup. Midfield dominance at the expense of defensive frailty and a lack of cutting edge up front. Then the completely separate issue is just not putting the boot in when we are on top. Fulham were shattered and down to 10 men and toothless ... and we contrive to concede. |
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| Author: | Rich [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:16 pm ] |
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The worry with Gabriel is if Arteta is claiming it’s a tactical decision then it might have been sensible to actually try these tactics in pre season. Players look uncomfortable in it |
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| Author: | Rich [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:18 pm ] |
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Decaf wrote: Rich wrote: Enough of the experimental stuff. We got away with it in the first two games and have been punished now. It’s arrogant to think you can totally change up the successful relationships in the team and immediately create new ones. Get back to what worked last season. Arteta wants that extra midfielder when he thinks we’ll dominate games, we should be more than good enough to win these games with a conventional back 4. I worry now that Havertz will be Arteta’s stubborn player, he’ll keep picking him to try to prove himself right for signing him but he should have been eased in gradually as he’s playing a new position. 2 huge points lost no matter how many ways you cut it Yup. Midfield dominance at the expense of defensive frailty and a lack of cutting edge up front. Then the completely separate issue is just not putting the boot in when we are on top. Fulham were shattered and down to 10 men and toothless ... and we contrive to concede. It’s a regular occurrence for us no matter the state of the game. Relentless pressure then we take the lead and completely hand the initiative back. Of course I understand the opponents mind set changes but when have we scored on the counter when a team has to open up? We go in to our shell defending a lead |
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| Author: | Lincoln gooner [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:19 pm ] |
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Rich wrote: The worry with Gabriel is if Arteta is claiming it’s a tactical decision then it might have been sensible to actually try these tactics in pre season. Players look uncomfortable in it There must be something going on with Gabriel that we're not being told about. It just doesn't add up. |
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| Author: | Gunfire [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:51 pm ] |
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Got to agree with Rich. The mentality has to change. 2-1 up we should be going for a third not sitting back. Also Arteta needs to stop trying to clever aleck and a tinkerman. Stick with what works. havertz needs a confidence boost big time. I thought Vieira played well but Havertz will start against manure. The thing going for us in the upcoming match is Manure have been really crap so far. Knowing our luck this Hojland chap will make his debut and get a hat trick. |
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| Author: | Decaf [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:53 pm ] |
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The Guardian not pulling their punches: "Fulham still made the better chances for long periods, largely because they were up against such a confused looking defensive shape, and in Partey a full-back so positionally vague you half excepted to look down and notice he’s leafing through the manual on the go, wondering why the whole thing is in Swedish" "Too often the ball ended up in the space Arsenal have deliberately vacated, that space being the one close to goal in between the line of the posts, historically quite a key area in the scoring of goals." "Kai Havertz, who occupied a Kai Havertz shaped vacuum in this game, was replaced by Fábio Vieira." "Again it was fine work from Vieira, entirely comfortable on that side, and given time to measure the perfect low cross into the path of Nketiah, who slid the ball past Bernd Leno. It felt like a vital goal not just in the context of the game, but for the basic notion of the central striker in this team, the direct route to goal. Why the high-difficulty prelude, the attempts to win with one leg tied behind the other?" |
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| Author: | socrates [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:58 pm ] |
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Vieira gave a little glimpse today of the player he could become. A bit of David Silva and Bernardo Silva. Silky left foot and effortless ballstriking ability. Still gets pushed around a bit too much but the technical ability is obvious. |
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| Author: | socrates [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:00 pm ] |
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I understand the need to experiment a bit given the obvious need for rotation this season but, like Guardiola occasionally, Arteta does seem to overthink and overcomplicate things sometimes. |
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| Author: | john1 [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:01 pm ] |
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Hope Arteta isn’t another Mourinho |
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| Author: | socrates [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:03 pm ] |
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No idea whats going on with Gabriel. Breaking up arguably the best CB pairing in the league last season in order to play Partey at RB and shoehorn Havertz into the side seems nonsensical. Particularly given Gabriel's pace and physical prowess in a high line. Are we actually considering selling him? |
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| Author: | socrates [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:05 pm ] |
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We are now going into the United game where presumably Arteta will revert to a back four with Gabriel alongside Saliba..........or will he? Our back four is now a little unsettled to say the least. I can't see how he can persist with this Partey RB experiment in such a big game. Will he drop Havertz or stubbornly continue with this apparently failing experiment. |
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| Author: | david.d [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:48 pm ] |
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socrates wrote: We are now going into the United game where presumably Arteta will revert to a back four with Gabriel alongside Saliba..........or will he? Our back four is now a little unsettled to say the least. I can't see how he can persist with this Partey RB experiment in such a big game. Will he drop Havertz or stubbornly continue with this apparently failing experiment. Hi Soc Surely with Zinchenko now fit he has to revert to.the back 4 that was so.good for much of the season. Dump this experiment with Partey at right back and play Raya White saliba Gabriel zinchenko Partey Ødegaard Rice Martinelli Eddie/Jesus Saka Think ramsdale should do better with both goals especially the first. Seems so leaden footed sometimes. Been impressed with Eddie and deserves to keep his place. Drop Havertz to the bench. However this is Arteta we are talking about...... |
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| Author: | david.d [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:53 pm ] |
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As good as zinchenko is he needs to stop this 'showy' mode where he gets carried away with himself and ultimately loses the ball which leads eventually to.their corner. Not the first time his error has cost us a goal |
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