Saw a fan poll on Twitter.
Would you rather:
Win the Europa but Kronke stays, or
Lose Europa final and Kronke leaves?

Alternatively, would you take all the English breakaway clubs to be banned from Europe for the next two years if it meant Kroenke decided to sell?

Saw a fan poll on Twitter.
Would you rather:
Win the Europa but Kronke stays, or
Lose Europa final and Kronke leaves?

Obviously it would be nice to have a caveat that any new owner would heavily invest but you can’t have that.
I want Arsenal to win at all times and winning Europa this year would be absolutely huge and a massive jump forward in our ambition back to the top of only for the guaranteed money it would bring.

It's Europa or bust for Arteta. The stats are damning.

ANZAC Day over here- Lest we forget

It was a massive cock up but the guy gets a lot of shots smashed at him. It’s very hard to judge. There’s problems all over the shop.

Let’s face it Kieran Tierney puts the winger out of touch instead of Xhaka and that wasn’t happening

Exactly that. We cant win tight games, we almost always lose them down to a single bad error or a ref decision.
Who has actually beaten us really well this year, Villa, Liverpool twice and spurs away we were well beaten I'd say.
Other than that we had 2 tight games v City where to be fair we were almost certainly kept at arms length.
var decisions going against us for leicester at home (xhaka offside for interfering), fulham at home (both our goal and their pen), wolves away (luiz pen and red), villa away (martinez hauling down lacazette) and burnley away (clear penalty for handball), everton home (guessing on 2 offsides) - there is 12-14 points right there is refs who are simply guessing at decisions

Then throw in losing away to everton with an own goal and home to burnley with an own goal. I have never known a season like it - it's incredible.

Looks like that feeling was a touch of wind again

I think we need to disregard the VAR robbery. Players and managers use this as an excuse. The fact remains we regularly fail to create enough chances and our chances often are not of high quality.

Good teams, create numerous chances and often clear chances are not as scarce as at Arsenal.

Var at it again. The sending off of Balbuena for West Ham today was an awful decision! This is not about technology this is about incompetent referees using it. How can a professional referee give a red card when a defender clears the ball down the pitch and as his foot comes down just accidentally catches the calf of the defender trying to block his clearance!
Before var we all thought referees were poor, the introduction of var gave them the perfect get out of jail for all the seasons before var. we were always told refs see it once at full speed and have to make an immediate call. Refs had the opportunity with var to eradicate all those difficult calls they got wrong because of rhe excuse above. Not only have they not done that they’re now making even worse decisions WITH the benefit of multiple replays, slow mo and time.

Leno hasn't done anything as spectacular as Mané. However, I reckon he is one of the main reasons we didn't actually fall into the relegation zone earlier this season.

Very true. Leno is far from a bad keeper.

Leno isn't highly rated by fans in the Bundesliga, he's mostly remembered for the mistakes he made at Leverkusen. For me he's more Almunia than Seaman.

What he’s done at Arsenal makes him more Seaman than Almunia.

I think there could be an element of mental fatigue for Leno. Also I think that he hasn’t really had a really good second choice gk pushing him in training.

My point is that despite the large turnover in managers, coaches, executives and players, the decline continues. Kroenke is the big constant in that decline. His ownership philosophy is the primary factor that overlaps the decline. For that reason, my own opinion is we focus on secondary issues when discussing the jobs that managers like Arteta and players are doing. The ownership philosophy of Stan Kroenke is the critical issue and thus the most important issue to debate.

pet hate. commentators or pundits who say a player 'should be off' after he is booked when they think he should have been booked earlier in the game as well. Neville has just done it in the cup final commentary for Laporte. Laporte should have been booked earlier but if he was he simply does not make the very obvious professional foul later in the game to get a yellow card. Stop saying he should be sent off, it ignores the context.

In a similar vain. When a team scores a goal that should be disallowed so lead 1-0 very late in the game. The opposition pushes everyone forward in the vain hope of an equaliser and they get caught on the break and lose 2-0. Fans of the team who won say 'well even if you took away the debatable goal we'd have still won 1-0'. I just switch off if I hear this, I cannot have a conversation about football with these people.

Bernard, apologies for cutting much of your post but I think I can just quote the last paragraph as your summary for a response. I do agree that Kronke is the biggest problem and the constant problem, but it is also the immovable problem. So as fans any debate over Kronke can be quickly finished by the realisation that he isn't going anywhere - David Ornstein posted as much today. We can debate the appointments that Kronke has made in the off field positions but the thing we have much more control over rather than our owner is the players and manager. So whilst it might not be the most important thing it really is the only thing we can change.

Do the stats actually back you up on this? Or are you consulting your spleen?

Good. Tottenham haven’t added to their weedy list of trophies.

How mch control do you think moaning on social media gives fans? Or is booing players in your own team at games what you mean by “much more control”? Because if Stan Kroenke doesn’t give a damn about the protests about him before the Everton game, he isn’t going to give a damn about people moaning about specific players at games, and dare I suggest even less about moans on social media.

By moaning about players, all you or anyone else here (and elsewhere) is doing is finding an online outlet to relieve your own frustration. You’re not changing anything. Personally I would rather moan about the primary problem facing Arsenal, Stan Kroenke, even if it’s pointless and I’m also not changing anything. At least I’m moaning about something more relevant because, as I pointed out in my longer post, whatever changes are made with managers, coaches, executives and players, while Kroenke is the owner it hasn’t made a blind bit of difference. Indeed, things are probably getting worse.