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Post #522241  Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:57 am 
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When a new manager comes in what is the minimum we should expect in terms of his coaching improving existing players? It is unrealistic to expect a manager to improve every player in the squad, and you’d also think players at a certain age aren’t going to improve whoever the manager is so that job is more about slowing the decline and making them effective.
So the question is, which players has Arteta improved, kept the same or made worse.


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Teams lose in cups - even Real got a shock this week - so I don't see defeat to Soton as a disaster. Law of averages said they should beat us someday in the FA Cup. What bugs me is not starting with our strongest eleven in a competition we are good at winning.

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Post #522243  Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:36 am 
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Willian is a mistake brought on by trying to get an alternative option to Pépé who was a huge expensive flop signed by the previous regime. Likely initiated by Edu as they share the same agent.

Saliba is an issue that relates to us not being able to play him for financial reasons.

There is no manager that is going to get a tune out of Xhaka and El Nenny trust me. 3 have already failed, a fourth would too.

Half our squad isn’t good enough. Replacements are required and coaching won’t affect a damn thing until you bring in better personnel


You've a fair point about the squad, TG, some are simply not good enough and no amount of coaching will change that. However, you must admit that Arteta is also not getting the best out the squad as a whole. His handling of individuals with regard to the non-negotiables is questionable, his team selections, tactics and substitutions are also questionable.

I get the bit where he inherited an unbalanced squad but at this point I do not see a manager who inspires me to think he knows exactly what he's doing.

He brought on Saka, probably our most effective attacking outlet this season, and then moved him to LB. How does that work when you are chasing a game.

I just don't know anymore. I think the club has lost the plot and so have I. :laughing7:


Do you think playing Saka at left back in a minor number of games is the cause of our woes Soc ? He’s shown a capable back up left back in that position and we are overloaded with wide players. Personally I’d like to see more of Ainsley in midfield but do I think that would solve our problems ? No chance

These are on the whole minor debatable issues and not the reason for our current predicament.

The truth is our squad isn’t really all that good soc. I can name you 9 players out of our 25 man squad who just aren’t up to starting regularly for a team competing for top 4. You could probably do the same yourself. If Thomas Partey doesn’t play our midfield is ghastly and you will struggle.

The truth is Darren probably described it best a while back when he said we are a “basket case” that no other top manager would be involved in anyway and I’ll add the first thing any other manager would do is ask the board for 200 million quid because half his first team squad HAS TO GO! :laughing7: :laughing7:


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Do you think playing Saka at left back in a minor number of games is the cause of our woes Soc ? He’s shown a capable back up left back in that position and we are overloaded with wide players. Personally I’d like to see more of Ainsley in midfield but do I think that would solve our problems ? No chance

These are on the whole minor debatable issues and not the reason for our current predicament.

The truth is our squad isn’t really all that good soc. I can name you 9 players out of our 25 man squad who just aren’t up to starting regularly for a team competing for top 4. You could probably do the same yourself. If Thomas Partey doesn’t play our midfield is ghastly and you will struggle.

The truth is Darren probably described it best a while back when he said we are a “basket case” that no other top manager would be involved in anyway and I’ll add the first thing any other manager would do is ask the board for 200 million quid because half his first team squad HAS TO GO! :laughing7: :laughing7:


I was talking specifically about moving Saka to LB yesterday when we needed a moment of inspiration.


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When a new manager comes in what is the minimum we should expect in terms of his coaching improving existing players? It is unrealistic to expect a manager to improve every player in the squad, and you’d also think players at a certain age aren’t going to improve whoever the manager is so that job is more about slowing the decline and making them effective.
So the question is, which players has Arteta improved, kept the same or made worse.


I mean it’s an interesting question but 3 different managers with different coaching teams and different tactics have now finished 5,6 and 8th in the past 3 seasons and I can see us finishing in something similar 8-10 this year too.

Isn’t it just where we are ? Rather than analysing who’s improving which is obvious (Saka,Emile Smith Rowe, Tierney etc) I’d suggest now is the time to work out which players have demonstrated they aren’t up to it for successive coaching teams.


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Teams lose in cups - even Real got a shock this week - so I don't see defeat to Soton as a disaster. Law of averages said they should beat us someday in the FA Cup. What bugs me is not starting with our strongest eleven in a competition we are good at winning.

Agreed. But, given the pile-up of fixtures, Arteta was always going to have to choose between his strongest XI in this match and the league fixture on Tuesday. So it comes down to whether you think we're more likely to win the FA Cup than finish seventh. I can see why Mikel gambled on seventh. And, frankly, I'm getting a bit bored with winning this tin-pot trophy every other year. Four times since Ariana Grande's first UK number one - what more do you want?

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socrates wrote:
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Do you think playing Saka at left back in a minor number of games is the cause of our woes Soc ? He’s shown a capable back up left back in that position and we are overloaded with wide players. Personally I’d like to see more of Ainsley in midfield but do I think that would solve our problems ? No chance

These are on the whole minor debatable issues and not the reason for our current predicament.

The truth is our squad isn’t really all that good soc. I can name you 9 players out of our 25 man squad who just aren’t up to starting regularly for a team competing for top 4. You could probably do the same yourself. If Thomas Partey doesn’t play our midfield is ghastly and you will struggle.

The truth is Darren probably described it best a while back when he said we are a “basket case” that no other top manager would be involved in anyway and I’ll add the first thing any other manager would do is ask the board for 200 million quid because half his first team squad HAS TO GO! :laughing7: :laughing7:


I was talking specifically about moving Saka to LB yesterday when we needed a moment of inspiration.


That’s fine but he’s probably the best left back we have Tierney aside. It’s just another marginal point. We should be able to rely on our other players at some point. Just really makes my point, we can’t rest our core players or shuffle our pack as we aren’t good enough


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In the midst of the Özil saga, Willian £1,000,000 a month for three years, how did that ever happen.

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In the midst of the Özil saga, Willian £1,000,000 a month for three years, how did that ever happen.


A crazy decision but an example of how one bad decision in the transfer market can cause others.

We sign Pépé for huge money and he has a bad season so we need a cheap alternative as our budget is limited so we offer big wages to a player past his prime because he had no transfer fee.

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In the midst of the Özil saga, Willian £1,000,000 a month for three years, how did that ever happen.


A crazy decision but an example of how one bad decision in the transfer market can cause others.

We sign Pépé for huge money and he has a bad season so we need a cheap alternative as our budget is limited so we offer big wages to a player past his prime because he had no transfer fee.

One bad mistake bleeds into others


Honestly getting out of the cups cuts down on fixtures, and allowed us to rest players during a hectic fixture pile up. As well as being frustrating and risking losing momentum, I agree on those points, it’s also a blessing in disguise.

I do think Arteta is turning the ship. Klopp is often cited but look at Hassenhutl as a case in point. He’s got Southampton working as a tidy unit, after losing 9-0 to Leicester not long ago. You need time to implement incremental change which is long lasting, not that new manager bounce bollocks.

Arteta hasn’t had one full season yet. Willian is obviously the massive fly in the ointment, but no one would have thought he’d be this bad from the off.

To the points about some players being “in” and “out” I would say Arteta has a way, the same as every manager has a way. You fit into that, or you don’t. At City Joe Hart who was doing fine didn’t fit into Pep’s way and eventually they landed on Ederson.

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Teams lose in cups - even Real got a shock this week - so I don't see defeat to Soton as a disaster. Law of averages said they should beat us someday in the FA Cup. What bugs me is not starting with our strongest eleven in a competition we are good at winning.

It is easy to see why we would start without one or two of Tierney Partey, Emile Smith Rowe, Saka, Lacazatte and Aubs, given that games will be coming thick and fast ... but all of them? My goodness!

S'ham are above us in the league, and its an away game, and we'll be playing them again. Even if it wasn't an important game, the risk of losing momentum is great. And it was an important game. The FA cup may have been our most realistic target, given that the Europa Cup looks very tough and (as you say) we are good at the FA cup.

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Ash wrote:
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A crazy decision but an example of how one bad decision in the transfer market can cause others.

We sign Pépé for huge money and he has a bad season so we need a cheap alternative as our budget is limited so we offer big wages to a player past his prime because he had no transfer fee.

One bad mistake bleeds into others


Honestly getting out of the cups cuts down on fixtures, and allowed us to rest players during a hectic fixture pile up. As well as being frustrating and risking losing momentum, I agree on those points, it’s also a blessing in disguise.

I do think Arteta is turning the ship. Klopp is often cited but look at Hassenhutl as a case in point. He’s got Southampton working as a tidy unit, after losing 9-0 to Leicester not long ago. You need time to implement incremental change which is long lasting, not that new manager bounce bollocks.

Arteta hasn’t had one full season yet. Willian is obviously the massive fly in the ointment, but no one would have thought he’d be this bad from the off.



I agree I mean if you think about it Arteta has only made 2 strategic signings in Gabriel and Partey. Willian is a filler where edu probably said look we haven’t got the money to sign a winger but we can get this guy on a free for the time being and sell him in a couple of seasons.

Only 2 new core players your not going to get a revolution and a new day with that.

Plus he’s still dealing with the madness of our previous decisions. Mustafi is paid 100 grand a week and yesterday didn’t make the bench despite having 2 keepers on it because clearly the club are desperately trying to move him on. Stuff like this is beyond his control.

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I was talking specifically about moving Saka to LB yesterday when we needed a moment of inspiration.


That’s fine but he’s probably the best left back we have Tierney aside. It’s just another marginal point. We should be able to rely on our other players at some point. Just really makes my point, we can’t rest our core players or shuffle our pack as we aren’t good enough

That is the key problem. Having so little depth in terms of players who have any form whatsoever was going to come and bite us sooner our later. So I guess I can't really blame Arteta for yesterday.

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In the midst of the Özil saga, Willian £1,000,000 a month for three years, how did that ever happen.


eh ..... Edu ..... Brazilian ................ connect the dots

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Dear Arteta, plan well and win on Tuesday. Then all this talk about your ineptness will go away ....... until .....

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It is easy to see why we would start without one or two of Tierney Partey, Emile Smith Rowe, Saka, Lacazatte and Aubs, given that games will be coming thick and fast ... but all of them? My goodness!

S'ham are above us in the league, and its an away game, and we'll be playing them again. Even if it wasn't an important game, the risk of losing momentum is great. And it was an important game. The FA cup may have been our most realistic target, given that the Europa Cup looks very tough and (as you say) we are good at the FA cup.

I’ll be astonished if we finish above any of Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham and Leicester. Finishing above Chelsea would surprise me greatly even if ‘astonished’ is too strong a word. So that’s six clubs I very much fancy, to varying degrees, to finish above us.

If a top five to seven place gets us in the Europa League then Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Aston Villa are all currently above us. If Southampton beat us at their ground on Tuesday, which I see as more likely than us winning the game, they’ll have a five point lead over us. I see it as perfectly feasible for Arsenal to finish above any of them (Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Villa). I’d say the chances of us finishing above all of them is much less likely. Moreover, I see it as perfectly feasible for Wolves to overtake us.

That’s the reason why I saw yesterday as more of a must win game than Tuesday. We can beat anyone on our day in a one off game. We’ve seen that winning at Old Trafford this season and against Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea towards the end of last season. Hence I considered winning the FA Cup as our best chance of getting in the Europa League, not a league place. That’s why I think criticism of Arteta for playing such a weakened side yesterday has some justification, especially as it was probably our best opportunity of adding to the club’s honours list.


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I think for every signing we want to make we need to be asking ourselves the question - how do we sell this player? That may seem stupid when you haven’t even signed the player but more and more teams are being lumbered with high price and high wage players that are a drain on the club. We’re not the only ones we just feel the pinch more than others because we aren’t as rich as those other clubs.

An example is we’ve been linked with 2 cheap English left backs as cover for Tierney. Bertrand and Mitchell (from palace). Bertrand is probably the better player right now, but he’s 31 and his wages and signing on fee would easily be double that of Mitchell. Bertrand is on £70k a week at Saints. He’d want a 3 year deal at at least £100k per week. If you add a £5m signing on fee that is a £20m commitment with little chance of moving him on in that 3 years and no resale value. Mitchell would, you’d think cost half that for his 3 years and would be 23 at the end of the 3 years. Young English left back playing prem football usually has a £10m price tag. All hypothetical of course but one is a far more sensible move than the other for a club in our position.


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Özil (Paul :42laughter: ) officially gone to Fenerbache.

Plenty more needed to move on for us to really feel we’re clearing the decks and starting again but he has been a millstone around our necks for the best part of 2 years now.


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Bernard wrote:
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It is easy to see why we would start without one or two of Tierney Partey, Emile Smith Rowe, Saka, Lacazatte and Aubs, given that games will be coming thick and fast ... but all of them? My goodness!

S'ham are above us in the league, and its an away game, and we'll be playing them again. Even if it wasn't an important game, the risk of losing momentum is great. And it was an important game. The FA cup may have been our most realistic target, given that the Europa Cup looks very tough and (as you say) we are good at the FA cup.

I’ll be astonished if we finish above any of Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham and Leicester. Finishing above Chelsea would surprise me greatly even if ‘astonished’ is too strong a word. So that’s six clubs I very much fancy, to varying degrees, to finish above us.

If a top five to seven place gets us in the Europa League then Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Aston Villa are all currently above us. If Southampton beat us at their ground on Tuesday, which I see as more likely than us winning the game, they’ll have a five point lead over us. I see it as perfectly feasible for Arsenal to finish above any of them (Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Villa). I’d say the chances of us finishing above all of them is much less likely. Moreover, I see it as perfectly feasible for Wolves to overtake us.

That’s the reason why I saw yesterday as more of a must win game than Tuesday. We can beat anyone on our day in a one off game. We’ve seen that winning at Old Trafford this season and against Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea towards the end of last season. Hence I considered winning the FA Cup as our best chance of getting in the Europa League, not a league place. That’s why I think criticism of Arteta for playing such a weakened side yesterday has some justification, especially as it was probably our best opportunity of adding to the club’s honours list.


EDIT: Don’t forget, if four of Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Leicester or Tottenham attain the Champions League placings the one who misses out will presumably get one of the fifth to seventh positions. If Chelsea are likely to get another, it leaves all of Everton, Southampton, West Ham, Aston Villa, Arsenal and Wolves to fight it out for the other.


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Rich wrote:
Özil (Paul :42laughter: ) officially gone to Fenerbache.

Plenty more needed to move on for us to really feel we’re clearing the decks and starting again but he has been a millstone around our necks for the best part of 2 years now.

And their fans are being asked to chip in. :15laughter:

https://www.footballtransfers.com/2021/ ... om-arsenal

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Ødegaard to Arsenal on loan for 6 months is a done deal. £2m loan fee and we pay his wages (which aren’t massive) no option to buy. Arsenal and Madrid to talk at the end of the season.

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Ødegaard to Arsenal on loan for 6 months is a done deal. £2m loan fee and we pay his wages (which aren’t massive) no option to buy. Arsenal and Madrid to talk at the end of the season.

Decent record in Spain recently and adds much needed creativity and depth.

Really really excited by this. There are of course the usual caveats of whether he can adapt to the PL etc, but whenever I've seen him play he's looked class. Only 22 but a couple of really good seasons of first team football behind him already. There will probably be some criticism about us not having a set option to buy, but first of all that doesn't mean it's a certainty we can't sign him permanently in the summer, and secondly I'd rather loan in someone with top class potential than sign someone who doesn't have the talent to take our offensive game forward. We have enough squad players.


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Patson Daka, 22, 6ft 1, RB Salzburg striker, 18 games, 16 goals 5 assists so far this season. There are certain teams that are always worth keeping an eye on for up and coming talent simply because they have such a good set up and track record of enhancing players. 27 in 45 games last year as well.
I’m not saying buy him but this is the kind of profile and player we need to be looking at. Sub £25m type player with huge upside potential


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Just heard Thiago is only making his 8th appearance for Liverpool, top class player. I expect a lot of people would feel that’s been unlucky for Liverpool to miss him.....Partey has only made 7 appearances for us


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Ødegaard to Arsenal on loan for 6 months is a done deal. £2m loan fee and we pay his wages (which aren’t massive) no option to buy. Arsenal and Madrid to talk at the end of the season.

Decent record in Spain recently and adds much needed creativity and depth.

Really really excited by this. There are of course the usual caveats of whether he can adapt to the PL etc, but whenever I've seen him play he's looked class. Only 22 but a couple of really good seasons of first team football behind him already. There will probably be some criticism about us not having a set option to buy, but first of all that doesn't mean it's a certainty we can't sign him permanently in the summer, and secondly I'd rather loan in someone with top class potential than sign someone who doesn't have the talent to take our offensive game forward. We have enough squad players.

Yep, let’s see how he does for 6 months. He’s a very good player and has major potential, if Real Madrid want to chase Mbappe or Upamecano in the summer and need to raise funds he could be available. Again, it’s the sort of signing we need to be making.


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In the midst of the Özil saga, Willian £1,000,000 a month for three years, how did that ever happen.


eh ..... Edu ..... Brazilian ................ connect the dots

Exactly. A no brainer. The Brazilian Connection.

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Really really excited by this. There are of course the usual caveats of whether he can adapt to the PL etc, but whenever I've seen him play he's looked class. Only 22 but a couple of really good seasons of first team football behind him already. There will probably be some criticism about us not having a set option to buy, but first of all that doesn't mean it's a certainty we can't sign him permanently in the summer, and secondly I'd rather loan in someone with top class potential than sign someone who doesn't have the talent to take our offensive game forward. We have enough squad players.

Yep, let’s see how he does for 6 months. He’s a very good player and has major potential, if Real Madrid want to chase Mbappe or Upamecano in the summer and need to raise funds he could be available. Again, it’s the sort of signing we need to be making.

The most frustrating thing could be that the better he plays for us, the less likely it presumably becomes that Real will sell him. If he’s underwhelming for Arsenal, the chances of them offloading him probably increase. Having said that, Arsenal’s eagerness to sign him permanently may well move in the opposite direction.


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Speaking of Edu....


https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.u ... 42706/amp/

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Agreed. But, given the pile-up of fixtures, Arteta was always going to have to choose between his strongest XI in this match and the league fixture on Tuesday. So it comes down to whether you think we're more likely to win the FA Cup than finish seventh. I can see why Mikel gambled on seventh. And, frankly, I'm getting a bit bored with winning this tin-pot trophy every other year. Four times since Ariana Grande's first UK number one - what more do you want?
The fixtures pile up for Soton too, who are also wanting Europe, so I can't go with that. To answer your question - five times please! I never tire of winning the FA Cup - greatest, and most interesting competition in football.

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Yep, let’s see how he does for 6 months. He’s a very good player and has major potential, if Real Madrid want to chase Mbappe or Upamecano in the summer and need to raise funds he could be available. Again, it’s the sort of signing we need to be making.

The most frustrating thing could be that the better he plays for us, the less likely it presumably becomes that Real will sell him. If he’s underwhelming for Arsenal, the chances of them offloading him probably increase. Having said that, Arsenal’s eagerness to sign him permanently may well move in the opposite direction.

There is that risk, but then again Real Madrid works like no other club. My feeling is that it's rare that they loan out players who then come back and make it with them, so if Ødegaard plays well for us and likes it here I think we have a decent chance of making the move permanent providing we have the money. Like Rich said, there's a chance they might go for a marquee signing in the summer, and they would have to offload someone to do it.

Not going to get carried away since it's a big transition to make for a young player, but Ødegaard, Saka, Martinelli and Smith-Rowe looks like a great young core to build our offense around if things go well.


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Really really excited by this. There are of course the usual caveats of whether he can adapt to the PL etc, but whenever I've seen him play he's looked class. Only 22 but a couple of really good seasons of first team football behind him already. There will probably be some criticism about us not having a set option to buy, but first of all that doesn't mean it's a certainty we can't sign him permanently in the summer, and secondly I'd rather loan in someone with top class potential than sign someone who doesn't have the talent to take our offensive game forward. We have enough squad players.

Yep, let’s see how he does for 6 months. He’s a very good player and has major potential, if Real Madrid want to chase Mbappe or Upamecano in the summer and need to raise funds he could be available. Again, it’s the sort of signing we need to be making.

I agree it would be a good loan. At an age where he will be desperate to prove himself and have some great young players also trying to prove themselves.

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You may have forgotten this player but some interest in a transfer and any incoming funds would be welcome

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Lots of cheap talk from Willian. Making himself sound like a culprit to some strange forces. Certainly not a "spirit is willing, flesh is weak" situation for him. More like a "spirit is poor, while flesh is still able". Come on, stop pretending, you are just not working hard enough.

And the clear favouritism from Arteta and Edu :20hospitals:

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Amidst all my negativity of the poorer players, I must celebrate the wonders of Saka, Tierney, Emile Smith Rowe and Martinelli. Our youth brigade we must build on.

Add to that, Partey, Gabriel, Mari & Soares. Our better buys.

And the maturing player in Holding

And the assuredness of Luiz & Leno & Lacazette

And (hope) the return to form of Aubameyang

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Agreed. But, given the pile-up of fixtures, Arteta was always going to have to choose between his strongest XI in this match and the league fixture on Tuesday. So it comes down to whether you think we're more likely to win the FA Cup than finish seventh. I can see why Mikel gambled on seventh. And, frankly, I'm getting a bit bored with winning this tin-pot trophy every other year. Four times since Ariana Grande's first UK number one - what more do you want?
The fixtures pile up for Soton too, who are also wanting Europe, so I can't go with that. To answer your question - five times please! I never tire of winning the FA Cup - greatest, and most interesting competition in football.

Yes, five would have been good! Still, the fact that Arteta had to allow for a string of Europa League games as well (nine, hopefully) meant he had a bit more on his plate than Hasenhuttl.

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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... -1.4466822

Sadly pretty true.

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I'm always intrigued by the ability of some clubs to spend vast sums of money. Take Aston Villa for example. Last season they spent £143m and recouped £3m in the market. People will point out that this was their first season back in the prem so they benefit from the increase revenue that brings, but that is the same (if not more) for every existing prem club who spent nowhere near that amount. And to prove that wasn't a one off that they now count the cost for they spent another £74m this year with only £2m recouped in sales. They're close to spending another £18m on a French midfielder (who's name escapes me).

So I'm not necessarily comparing this to Arsenal because we know we have spent over the years and had a wage bill that dwarfed any spending by other clubs, but why can Villa spend this much when clubs like Burnley, Newcastle, Palace and Brighton barely spend anything when they've been established in the top flight for a lot longer? Villa may have better sponsorship deals, but not £100m a season better.

We all know how City and Chelsea's owners have propped them up over the years, surely there are other clubs' owners doing the same thing just on a smaller scale. Everton are another example, over the last 4 seasons they have a net spend of £225m with no european football and zero success. How are they sustainable or in line with FFP?


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https://www.planetfootball.com/videos/w ... under-23s/
Balogun's goal for the U23's.

I get that there is this stand off between player and club which is basically "commit and we'll play you" versus "play me and i'll commit" but eventually Arsenal are going to be the ones who lose out in this.

If Balogun gets minutes and leaves for free or if he doesn't play and leaves for free he is going to get a very good deal at a very good club, there is nothing we can do to stop that. But if the only way to get him to sign a deal is to give him minutes then we need to take that first step. If Arsenal are worried about setting a precedent for other young players in terms of them delivering ultimatums 'play me or i'll leave' I think that is nonsense because Balogun is worthy of a place in match days squads.

What makes it all the more silly is Nketiah is down to the last 18 months of his contract now, so in the summer Arsenal are going to need to make a decision on him and for my money that decision should be to sell to the highest bidder which opens up the route to the first team even more clearly for Balogun. The Same is true of Lacazette who will only have a year left. And then consider Aubameyang is 31. The pathway to regular first team football couldn't be any more clear.


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I'm always intrigued by the ability of some clubs to spend vast sums of money. Take Aston Villa for example. Last season they spent £143m and recouped £3m in the market. People will point out that this was their first season back in the prem so they benefit from the increase revenue that brings, but that is the same (if not more) for every existing prem club who spent nowhere near that amount. And to prove that wasn't a one off that they now count the cost for they spent another £74m this year with only £2m recouped in sales. They're close to spending another £18m on a French midfielder (who's name escapes me).

So I'm not necessarily comparing this to Arsenal because we know we have spent over the years and had a wage bill that dwarfed any spending by other clubs, but why can Villa spend this much when clubs like Burnley, Newcastle, Palace and Brighton barely spend anything when they've been established in the top flight for a lot longer? Villa may have better sponsorship deals, but not £100m a season better.

We all know how City and Chelsea's owners have propped them up over the years, surely there are other clubs' owners doing the same thing just on a smaller scale. Everton are another example, over the last 4 seasons they have a net spend of £225m with no european football and zero success. How are they sustainable or in line with FFP?

Stan has a bit less money on his own than Abramovich but his wife Ann, an heiress to the Walmart retail chain in the US, is also a multi billionaire many times over. The Kroenke’s together have more than Roman. Maybe Ann could lend Stan a few bob?

Indeed, Stan on his own, not even with Ann, has a lot more money than Everton’s owner Farhard Moshiri. In short, Arsenal has a richer owner than clubs perceived as financially doped. It’s just that Stan is unwilling to put his own money into Arsenal. I understand some people will approve of that.

But regardless of the pros and cons of rich owners doing that, as a result I’m always a little uneasy when I see moans about us not being able to compete with financially doped clubs. If Kroenke wanted us to, we could do. For me it’s not that we can’t compete; it’s that we don’t. It’s his choice.


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Rich wrote:
https://www.planetfootball.com/videos/watch-folarin-balogun-skips-past-defenders-scores-stunning-goal-for-arsenal-under-23s/
Balogun's goal for the U23's.

I get that there is this stand off between player and club which is basically "commit and we'll play you" versus "play me and i'll commit" but eventually Arsenal are going to be the ones who lose out in this.

If Balogun gets minutes and leaves for free or if he doesn't play and leaves for free he is going to get a very good deal at a very good club, there is nothing we can do to stop that. But if the only way to get him to sign a deal is to give him minutes then we need to take that first step. If Arsenal are worried about setting a precedent for other young players in terms of them delivering ultimatums 'play me or i'll leave' I think that is nonsense because Balogun is worthy of a place in match days squads.

What makes it all the more silly is Nketiah is down to the last 18 months of his contract now, so in the summer Arsenal are going to need to make a decision on him and for my money that decision should be to sell to the highest bidder which opens up the route to the first team even more clearly for Balogun. The Same is true of Lacazette who will only have a year left. And then consider Aubameyang is 31. The pathway to regular first team football couldn't be any more clear.

If Balogun is better why hasn't he played ahead of Nketiah?

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