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Post #512361  Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 5:24 pm 
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Would anyone take Coutinho for £8m for a season long loan?

These sorts of expensive loans with no option to buy appear on the face of it a bit of a waste of money, especially when you factor in picking up the players wages. But, if you are short on money but need a short term boost they can be useful.

I wouldn’t. Since leaving Liverpool where he was outstanding, he’s gone dramatically downhill. Turned out to be a disastrous waste of money for Barcelona.His form this season on loan at Bayern has been a major disappointment. Bayern did have an option to buy him on a permanent deal but they’ve understandably already announced they’re not taking it up.

Heard him described as a busted flush at Bayern. We’re probably already stuck with Özil for next season if nobody else will match his wages at Arsenal. I don’t see the point of lumbering ourselves with an Özil Mark II in addition to the original. There’s probably as much chance of Özil returning to his best as there is of Coutinho producing his Liverpool form with us.

I agree with you, Bernard. A disastrous transfer for Barcelona. They over-rated him to an absurd degree. He's a player who scores spectacular goals but is hugely inconsistent. And Özil at his best is much better than Coutinho was at Liverpool.....not that we will ever see it again

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I wouldn’t. Since leaving Liverpool where he was outstanding, he’s gone dramatically downhill. Turned out to be a disastrous waste of money for Barcelona.His form this season on loan at Bayern has been a major disappointment. Bayern did have an option to buy him on a permanent deal but they’ve understandably already announced they’re not taking it up.

Heard him described as a busted flush at Bayern. We’re probably already stuck with Özil for next season if nobody else will match his wages at Arsenal. I don’t see the point of lumbering ourselves with an Özil Mark II in addition to the original. There’s probably as much chance of Özil returning to his best as there is of Coutinho producing his Liverpool form with us.

I agree with you, Bernard. A disastrous transfer for Barcelona. They over-rated him to an absurd degree. He's a player who scores spectacular goals but is hugely inconsistent. And Özil at his best is much better than Coutinho was at Liverpool.....not that we will ever see it again


Supposedly Barcelona are ready to sell Coutinho, Griezmann and Dembele...I'd take any one them but the only problem is the crazy money it would involve.


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I like the FA cup because of how many times we have won it. In my whole time as a supporter we have never won the league cup. When was the last time we won that thing?

1993. Beat Sheffield Wednesday in the final.

Bittersweet for Steve Morrow. He didn’t deserve that.

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1993. Beat Sheffield Wednesday in the final.

Bittersweet for Steve Morrow. He didn’t deserve that.

As you’ll know, we also beat Sheffield Wednesday in the FA Cup final that season. Andy Linighan’s moment of fame, albeit without the injury that Morrow incurred.


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An American history professor told us that the reason why Europeans/Americans were able to pacify the land east of the Mississippi easier than the west of the Mississippi was based on two things. 1. Superior weapons and 2. the horse. (a tertiary advantage was disease like small pox).

The tribes east of the river didn't have many horses. The Spanish, Cortez and others who invaded present day Mexico came on horseback in the 1500s and horses escaped and bred and migrated into western America. The wild ones were known as mustangs. The Indians at the time were on foot. They mastered horses, Comanches being the best at it. The early English and Dutch settlers in America met tribes who had no horses. Its difficult in that 100 year span to horses to make past that great Mississippi river. There were no land bridges.

This book is fascinating and its a great read. Lots of John Wayne movies involved the Comanche and other tribes. They were not easy to pacify. They were warriors in every sense of the word.

Found the author discussing it on a podcast randomly.


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Bernard wrote:
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Bittersweet for Steve Morrow. He didn’t deserve that.

As you’ll know, we also beat Sheffield Wednesday in the FA Cup final that season. Andy Linighan’s moment of fame, albeit without the injury that Morrow incurred.


We won 3 cup finals wearing the 1992-94 home kit. Not the best looking but certainly "lucky"?


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1993. Beat Sheffield Wednesday in the final.

Bittersweet for Steve Morrow. He didn’t deserve that.


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It's complicated. This happened in Ferguson, Missouri and Baltimore as well as the 'Occupy Wallstreet' movement post recession in 2008.

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I have long resisted blocking anybody as it kind of renders the whole thing pointless. But finally I've had enough and blocked you know who as he/she has been seriously spoiling my enjoyment of the forum. That video on not being ignored was just too weird for me.


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The 20/21 away shirt....

I presume that's just a joke.

Adidas seems to like that ripple affect.

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I have long resisted blocking anybody as it kind of renders the whole thing pointless. But finally I've had enough and blocked you know who as he/she has been seriously spoiling my enjoyment of the forum. That video on not being ignored was just too weird for me.

I haven’t watched the video but, and if not watching it has sent my thoughts off in completely the wrong direction I apologise, the desire to not be ignored does strike me as likely to be very important to him.


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Goonie I can't imagine this away one being considered. Yet wouldn't be surprised either.

It almost looks like it has blood stains on it. As though the wearer has slashed someone with a knife and the victim’s blood has sprayed on him or her.


It’s been a while, Bernard, so tell us about someone who was hanged for a similar crime?

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Bernard wrote:
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I have long resisted blocking anybody as it kind of renders the whole thing pointless. But finally I've had enough and blocked you know who as he/she has been seriously spoiling my enjoyment of the forum. That video on not being ignored was just too weird for me.

I haven’t watched the video but, and if not watching it has sent my thoughts off in completely the wrong direction I apologise, the desire to not be ignored does strike me as likely to be very important to him.


He’s only here to stoke (or should it be stroke) his own ego. But he’s useful for at least being an example of an American (we kind of interact with) that goes a long way to illustrate what a messed up country it is in so many ways.

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It’s a big no no on Coutinho for me too.

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I have long resisted blocking anybody as it kind of renders the whole thing pointless. But finally I've had enough and blocked you know who as he/she has been seriously spoiling my enjoyment of the forum. That video on not being ignored was just too weird for me.


I hadn’t thought of AG as possibly being female; all the women I’ve known bar one have been pretty self-aware; which is one thing AG can’t be accused of.

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It almost looks like it has blood stains on it. As though the wearer has slashed someone with a knife and the victim’s blood has sprayed on him or her.

It’s been a while, Bernard, so tell us about someone who was hanged for a similar crime?

Hi john1. Suppose the most famous knife killer is Jack the Ripper, even though ironically nobody knows who it was despite the countless theories, many of which were so flimsy they were presumably developed to get books published or television documentaries aired. But in recent years Joanne Dennehy killed her victims through knifing them, as well as viciously stabbing another two men multiple times before leaving them for dead. Somehow these last two survived.

Joanne is a very interesting lady. One of only three females in the UK to be given a whole life tariff with her prison sentence (the others being Myra Hindley and Rosemary West). But while Myra and Rose were sort of equal with male partners Ian Brady and Fred West (some consider Fred started off as the main player but Rose took over), Joanne was very much the dominant force in her crimes even though she used a very big chap called Gary Stretch (over seven feet tall) to help her dispose of the bodies and drive her around.

Joanne is serving her sentence at Bronzefield Prison. Mainly in solitary confinement as it’s recognised if she was allowed personal contact with anyone she would use the opportunity to kill them. The authorities can’t take that risk as she loves killing people. When she and Rose West met in the same prison, Joanne threatened her and they had to move Rose for her own safety. She also developed an escape plan that involved cutting off the fingers of prison guards so she could open doors operated by touch screen fingerprints.

Another interesting thing about Dennehy is that she came from a middle class family in Hertfordshire, was well educated although she went off the rails in her teens with drug and alcohol abuse, and she was never the victim of any sexual or any other kind of abuse. So Joanne doesn’t meet the profile of many serial killers. Yet she was violent to her main (she had countless bits on the side) boyfriend who was the father of her two children. She also loved violent pornography and her boyfriend eventually left her with the children as she was so dangerous.


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Yesterday marked 1 yr ago of the EL Final in Baku. Some on here went to it. 4-1 loss aside, was it worth it?

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Yesterday marked 1 yr ago of the EL Final in Baku. Some on here went to it. 4-1 loss aside, was it worth it?

No it wasn’t worth it. Not by a long way. The whole trip cost £1,143 and some pence that I wouldn’t have spent had I not gone. Total waste of money. It would have been worth it had we gone. But we didn’t just lose, we were humiliated in the second half.

Some people seemed upset by the way Koscielny left, with the shirts incident. After his performance in that final, I’m delighted he went. He was a fine player alongside Mertesacker and together they produced a good partnership. But that final showed Koscielny’s time was up. He made Giroud look like Ronaldo at his peak.


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The further monetizing of football. Large parts of this we already know but there is some interesting new insights and possibilities of how football is going to be marketed and viewed.


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I'd be willing to pay the price of subscription to Netflix for all the football I wanted to see.

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Bernard wrote:
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Yesterday marked 1 yr ago of the EL Final in Baku. Some on here went to it. 4-1 loss aside, was it worth it?

No it wasn’t worth it. Not by a long way. The whole trip cost £1,143 and some pence that I wouldn’t have spent had I not gone. Total waste of money. It would have been worth it had we gone. But we didn’t just lose, we were humiliated in the second half.

I meant it would had been worth it had we won, not gone. I did go, unfortunately. Bloody spell checker.


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Surreal. Minneapolis is known as a liberal city. It has a Democrat party mayor, the whole city council are Democrats save one and that one is a Green party member, as far left as you can go in America and be elected.
Yet, they have never convicted a cop save one. A Somali American who shot an Aussie tourist in a dark alley as she pounded on the police car to get their attention when she was not seen. Before he was convicted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm_n4NtXF9k , a first for the city of a police officer, there was a previous incident where clearly a man was shot unarmed, in front of his girlfriend and her child. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V94Lphx6z6Y ...and he was acquitted of all charges. Very difficult to watch.

Our government via the CIA and other means, have promoted uprisings such as the various Arab springs, other locales. These uprisings included looting, even the harm of innocents, much worse than we see here but was seen as justified against an unjust government.


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Yesterday marked 1 yr ago of the EL Final in Baku. Some on here went to it. 4-1 loss aside, was it worth it?

It wasn't even worth watching it for free on TV. The result wasn't unexpected.

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I've visited at least a couple dozen countries or more. Even some countries deemed 'oppressive' by the west and never had cause to feel the police I interacted with would harm me. Were a few stern? yes. Authoritative? yes. But never the same feeling of being stopped by a police officer in America under certain circumstances.

In fact, the Canadian government has put out advisories to their citizens traveling to the states on what to do or more importantly, what not to do, if stopped by a cop. In Canada it may be the norm but such things are reaching for your wallet to get your license could be a life or death situation. I wait till I'm told. I then tell the officer where it is and if its okay to get it. And I move very, very slowly.

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There is one thing the media in America, all types are not reporting yet about the...take your choice of words....uprising...riot...demonstrations...or another word is that its happening in cities across the nation for a start. Which suggests to me its about addressing systemic and endemic issues that are not only in Minneapolis. Which isn't a shock since we saw similar reasons to be in the streets in St. Louis and Baltimore and other places where incidents happened.
The second thing is many of these places the crowds are diverse. In LA, there was looting in an area with a well known place for both locals and tourists, called The Grove, other names for the area around 3rd and Fairfax. This is an upscale area, and the crowds I saw on TV and friends there are saying its very diverse. The young in America have been waging a generation war for a few years now. The terms 'Okay Boomer' and 'Okay Karen' are as much rooted in middle class American youth as any. They are the biggest supporters of Bernie Sanders. in this generation, socialism is not a dirty word, its actually said proudly.

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It’s been a while, Bernard, so tell us about someone who was hanged for a similar crime?

Hi john1. Suppose the most famous knife killer is Jack the Ripper, even though ironically nobody knows who it was despite the countless theories, many of which were so flimsy they were presumably developed to get books published or television documentaries aired. But in recent years Joanne Dennehy killed her victims through knifing them, as well as viciously stabbing another two men multiple times before leaving them for dead. Somehow these last two survived.

Joanne is a very interesting lady. One of only three females in the UK to be given a whole life tariff with her prison sentence (the others being Myra Hindley and Rosemary West). But while Myra and Rose were sort of equal with male partners Ian Brady and Fred West (some consider Fred started off as the main player but Rose took over), Joanne was very much the dominant force in her crimes even though she used a very big chap called Gary Stretch (over seven feet tall) to help her dispose of the bodies and drive her around.

Joanne is serving her sentence at Bronzefield Prison. Mainly in solitary confinement as it’s recognised if she was allowed personal contact with anyone she would use the opportunity to kill them. The authorities can’t take that risk as she loves killing people. When she and Rose West met in the same prison, Joanne threatened her and they had to move Rose for her own safety. She also developed an escape plan that involved cutting off the fingers of prison guards so she could open doors operated by touch screen fingerprints.

Another interesting thing about Dennehy is that she came from a middle class family in Hertfordshire, was well educated although she went off the rails in her teens with drug and alcohol abuse, and she was never the victim of any sexual or any other kind of abuse. So Joanne doesn’t meet the profile of many serial killers. Yet she was violent to her main (she had countless bits on the side) boyfriend who was the father of her two children. She also loved violent pornography and her boyfriend eventually left her with the children as she was so dangerous.


Interesting is one way of describing her.

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When I first saw this headline, I was muttering like Harry Potter when the sorting hat was being placed over him. "Not Mustafi....not Mustafi"...haha...
He said its Holding and I agree. I like Holding. He's not going to be Tony Adams but the few times I saw him when he was healthy, he wasn't bad. I also remember the cup final when he bossed it at the back.

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MARTIN KEOWN THINKS ONE ARSENAL DEFENDER ‘DESERVES ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY’

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Do they now start to be harsh and make those key decisions? If David Luiz isn’t the answer, then he has to go. He doesn't enjoy being in wide positions in the back four, he tends to bring people down and Mustafi, although Arteta has got a bit of a tune out of him but we know Mustafi isn't quite at the level as well.

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I also remember the cup final when he bossed it at the back.

Are you seriously saying it wasn’t Mertesacker who “bossed it at the back”. Even Keown, who you use to justify other views, called it ‘the Mertesacker final’.

I so hope Mustafi stays a good while yet. Firstly, he’s nowhere near as bad as you try to claim. Secondly, your reaction would be hilarious.


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It was a shot to the gut when our own Arsenal legend :58big-emoticons: Fabregas went to Chelsea. If he had gone to Man Utd...I am not sure if I would have recovered...lol. I do remember the rumors being fairly strong at the time they were interested in him. Had it happened, i'd have love to be a fly on the wall to see him the room with Scholes or Giggs and the awkward intro meeting. haha

in the NBA Dennis Rodman joining the Chicago Bulls from Detroit was the same. Rodman had targeted Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippin personally in previous battles and it was personal. He was asked to apologize to one of them to smooth things over. Story is he and Jordan never socialized off the court at all.


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It was a shot to the gut when our own Arsenal legend :58big-emoticons: Fabregas went to Chelsea. If he had gone to Man Utd...I am not sure if I would have recovered...lol. I do remember the rumors being fairly strong at the time they were interested in him. Had it happened, i'd have love to be a fly on the wall to see him the room with Scholes or Giggs and the awkward intro meeting. haha

I don’t suppose there would have been any problem at all had he joined them. Either for Fabregas or any Manchester United players. Hand shakes all round I’d imagine followed by pleasant, polite formalities like the ‘welcome to the club’ or ‘delighted to be here’ sort of stuff.


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