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Post #516041  Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:05 pm 
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Post #516042  Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:28 pm 
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In normal view, that looks off.

Thank you VAR.


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Post #516043  Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:29 pm 
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Happy that VAR ruled in our favour there.

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In normal view, that looks off.

Thank you VAR.

and thank you VAR again ...
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West Ham using quick counters. Arteta should sort that out. Xhaka was slow and too unsure for their equaliser.

We look off today.

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Think there’s been a lack of energy that half with too many sideways passes. Arteta has to make the team step up if we’re not to drop home points.


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Post #516047  Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:59 pm 
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We don’t look great here. We look like we think our reviews will win us the game.


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What a diabolical 1st half. Lots of possession but shaky at the back and zero creativity going forward.

We need more dribblers and players with the vision to play defence splitting passes in order to break down these deep defences. It's all sideways and backwards.

You can see why Arteta wants Aouar and Partey.


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West Ham using quick counters. Arteta should sort that out. Xhaka was slow and too unsure for their equaliser.

We look off today.

If anyone was at fault for the equaliser it was Holding. I’d rather have Luiz or Mustafi than him.


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Under the cosh here. 2nd best.


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Phew


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Good grief. How did we win that game?

Got to be a good sign - winning when playing poorly.

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Stole that one.

Oh dear. How sad.

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That should bring everybody back down to Earth. Still a lot of work to be done.


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Let's not sugarcoat it, we were awful but we won.

Just when you think we have turned a corner you see a performance like that and you realise there is still a long way to go in the rebuilding process. Too many bang average players still. Not enough creativity or goals from midfield.

Holding is not for me but I assume we are keeping him rather than loaning him out because Arteta quickly realised that Saliba is not yet ready for the PL.


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Kolasinac played like vinnie jones without the violence. Hopeless

Artetas interview..... that bloke knows exactly where the problems are


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Need to find Saka a true position in the side, he makes so much happen


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Credit to Xhaka. Our man of the match by a country mile. Passed the ball beautifully from long distance and got stuck in.


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Credit to Xhaka. Our man of the match by a country mile. Passed the ball beautifully from long distance and got stuck in.

Odd that our midfield was so ineffective if Xhaka was MOM by a country mile.

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So many people are saying we lack creativity in midfield but when we’ve signed Ceballos for another year and Willian new, why is that? They’re both creative players. Has the modern game changed?


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Credit to Xhaka. Our man of the match by a country mile. Passed the ball beautifully from long distance and got stuck in.

Odd that our midfield was so ineffective if Xhaka was MOM by a country mile.

Well I couldn’t see anyone who played better than Xhaka today. In our team anyway.


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Seems like we got away with one yesterday, a reality check for the optimism surrounding the team. A reminder that this is still the team that finished 8th with a couple of additions. That said it was great to find a way to win the game. 2 wins from 2 was very important given the tough away fixtures we have coming up.

Such a shame Tierney had to be pulled out, his place in the back 3 gives the team such natural balance down that side.

Luiz was only fit enough for the bench and Tierney, mustafi, Mari, saliba, chambers all missing from the bunch of centre backs. The first 4 on that list I would expect to be ahead of holding and Kolasinac

It also showed the need for another central midfielder and how in these games we miss a bit of control in central midfield. Hopefully we can get someone in.


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Bernard wrote:
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Odd that our midfield was so ineffective if Xhaka was MOM by a country mile.

Well I couldn’t see anyone who played better than Xhaka today. In our team anyway.

I thought Lacazette had a good game especially in the first half. He worked tirelessly, his link up play and touch was good and it was great to see him rewarded with a goal. I think he’s a really under appreciated player and he’s affected by our lack of midfield the most as he drops deeper to connect play.

Xhaka did have a good game but our midfield wasn’t at the races in the 2nd half frankly and all the credit for the 2nd goal needs to go to Saka who split their defence with a great pass.

Thought we missed Tierney and Maitland Niles to be honest


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It also showed the need for another central midfielder and how in these games we miss a bit of control in central midfield. Hopefully we can get someone in.


Yes I thought the whole game highlighted the midfield dilemma. We need a powerful midfield player who is fast and can bring energy to the midfield and transition our attacks very quickly. I don’t really see ceballos as the answer, he seems to have very good touches on the ball and sometimes has good games but we rarely win the midfield battle.


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Well I couldn’t see anyone who played better than Xhaka today. In our team anyway.

I thought Lacazette had a good game especially in the first half. He worked tirelessly, his link up play and touch was good and it was great to see him rewarded with a goal. I think he’s a really under appreciated player and he’s affected by our lack of midfield the most as he drops deeper to connect play.

Xhaka did have a good game but our midfield wasn’t at the races in the 2nd half frankly and all the credit for the 2nd goal needs to go to Saka who split their defence with a great pass.

Thought we missed Tierney and Maitland Niles to be honest


Hi TG,

Our lack of creativity both individually and collectively is a glaring issue, especially against sides who park the bus. West Ham didn't park the bus but we still found it incredibly difficult to turn possession into any kind of incisive attacking play.

Against teams who drop deep you need dribblers rather than runners, because there is little space in behind, or you need midfielders with the vision and passing ability to play defence splitting balls. Ideally you need a mixture of both. Pépé was supposed to be our dribbler but his twinkling toes are still somewhat hit and miss.

When you have dribblers who can go past people it takes players out of the game and forces deep lying defences to come out, losing their shape and allowing more space in behind.

It is more and more clear that without midfield additions it will be another season of mixed fortunes.


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Was so relieved when Eddie put in the goal. We were not making it happen prior.

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It also showed the need for another central midfielder and how in these games we miss a bit of control in central midfield. Hopefully we can get someone in.


Yes I thought the whole game highlighted the midfield dilemma. We need a powerful midfield player who is fast and can bring energy to the midfield and transition our attacks very quickly. I don’t really see ceballos as the answer, he seems to have very good touches on the ball and sometimes has good games but we rarely win the midfield battle.


Our central midfield is very one-paced. Ceballos seemed to have a million touches yesterday and was very neat and tidy but without really playing many penetrative passes. Xhaka played a few nice balls over the top and in behind but we need more. We need more progressive passes, too many are short, sideways or backwards.


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Bernard wrote:
So many people are saying we lack creativity in midfield but when we’ve signed Ceballos for another year and Willian new, why is that? They’re both creative players. Has the modern game changed?


That was a typical Moyes setup and West Ham worked hard to snuff out movement around the flanks where a lot of our attacking intent has been of late. Credit where it's due.

On our side the team looked like they've been buying a few too many tickets to their own show. Evident in the first 30 with some very lazy passing and movement. A very timely wake up call that the tempo needs to lift when required. Saw a bit of a jump start in the first 10 of the 2nd half so Arteta clearly saw the issues.


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Just watched the highlights. I hadn’t noticed during the game. Both of our goals were initiated by a killer pass from Saka. Almost Bergkamp like.

So, despite how it felt yesterday, there were a couple of flashes of creativity. Just far too few, although as it turned out just enough.

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Bernard wrote:
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Odd that our midfield was so ineffective if Xhaka was MOM by a country mile.

Well I couldn’t see anyone who played better than Xhaka today. In our team anyway.

And to be fair, the way we are set up, the drive is supposed to come down the flanks. I guess we really missed Tierney and ANM yesterday. Our right flank delivers some quality moments but not sustained enough.

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The best thing with Saka on the first goal was the ability to firstly drift between the lines in those pockets of space but more importantly the ability to receive the pass on the half turn so he’s ready to immediately release Aubameyang in behind. I think this is one of the big things someone like Aouar would bring.

Arsenal are still at a transition point in formation. The back 3 has served us well to stop the goals leaking and becoming a threat on the counter attack but it is at the expense of dominating the midfield. Of course we ask the wing backs to tuck in and help out there but that helps in numbers rather than the dominance an extra powerful CM would give


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I said to manage expectations and was proven right. We won't be a fully settled squad till a few more months. If that.

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With my earlier post I mention Ceballos and Willian. But I didn’t mention Saka. All three played yesterday. I still question this belief that’s doing the rounds here that we’re lacking creativity in midfield. With Willian, Ceballos and Saka in the team how on earth can we lack creativity?

In my view the best midfields need balance with a mix of different types of player, rather than jam pack them with creative midfielders. It wouldn’t surprise me if a midfield four of Brady, Hudson, Hoddle and Gascoigne (a mix of arguably Arsenal and Tottenham’s most creative midfielders since I’ve been following football) would get overrun by more balanced midfields. Especially if you have an ultra-creative front two of Charlie George and Ginola in front of them.

I’ll be in a minority on this, but I still question why Willian, Ceballos and Saka won’t give us sufficient creativity for the modern game.


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Bernard wrote:
With my earlier post I mention Ceballos and Willian. But I didn’t mention Saka. All three played yesterday. I still question this belief that’s doing the rounds here that we’re lacking creativity in midfield. With Willian, Ceballos and Saka in the team how on earth can we lack creativity?

In my view the best midfields need balance with a mix of different types of player, rather than jam pack them with creative midfielders. It wouldn’t surprise me if a midfield four of Brady, Hudson, Hoddle and Gascoigne (a mix of arguably Arsenal and Tottenham’s most creative midfielders since I’ve been following football) would get overrun by more balanced midfields. Especially if you have an ultra-creative front two of Charlie George and Ginola in front of them.

I’ll be in a minority on this, but I still question why Willian, Ceballos and Saka won’t give us sufficient creativity for the modern game.


Because in 24 games last season Ceballos scored no goals and got 2 assists in the premier league. Kevin De Bruyne got 13 goals and 20 assists. We aren’t asking Ceballos to mirror that but if you have aspirations of getting into the top 4 you can’t have such little output coming from the middle of the park. Everyone can see this and is aware our midfield is an issue.

Also because of a lack of decent penetrative midfielders we have to play 3 central defenders which sometimes like yesterday really give the opposition too much respect when an extra pair of hands in the middle would help.


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Some very strange penalties being awarded for handball so far this season, I'm not even sure I know what the rules are any more. But if the standard being applied so far in the league is the standard going forward then if I were Arteta I would be telling players to literally kick the ball at the opponents arms anywhere in the box. The rule needs to change,or the interpretation of it but at the moment you can win 3 points just by kicking a ball at an opponents arm. Get on it Arsenal


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So many goals being scored in the prem. I would agree that the prem might be the best league in Europe for entertainment, and potentially for competitiveness, as in much more upsets in games. But with the standard of defending I don't think it is the highest quality league. Much of the entertainment stems from awful defending as much as it does the fast pace and refs letting things go.


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With my earlier post I mention Ceballos and Willian. But I didn’t mention Saka. All three played yesterday. I still question this belief that’s doing the rounds here that we’re lacking creativity in midfield. With Willian, Ceballos and Saka in the team how on earth can we lack creativity?

In my view the best midfields need balance with a mix of different types of player, rather than jam pack them with creative midfielders. It wouldn’t surprise me if a midfield four of Brady, Hudson, Hoddle and Gascoigne (a mix of arguably Arsenal and Tottenham’s most creative midfielders since I’ve been following football) would get overrun by more balanced midfields. Especially if you have an ultra-creative front two of Charlie George and Ginola in front of them.

I’ll be in a minority on this, but I still question why Willian, Ceballos and Saka won’t give us sufficient creativity for the modern game.


Because in 24 games last season Ceballos scored no goals and got 2 assists in the premier league. Kevin De Bruyne got 13 goals and 20 assists. We aren’t asking Ceballos to mirror that but if you have aspirations of getting into the top 4 you can’t have such little output coming from the middle of the park. Everyone can see this and is aware our midfield is an issue.

Also because of a lack of decent penetrative midfielders we have to play 3 central defenders which sometimes like yesterday really give the opposition too much respect when an extra pair of hands in the middle would help.

Ceballos showed what a fine player he was towards the end of the season when he really came into his own. Sorry I think you’re making a fuss over very little. With Ceballos, Willian and Saka I feel we should have enough creativity in midfield.


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