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Post #514761  Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:40 pm 
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Again, I wouldn't be shocked if Liverpool wins 30 matches and draws 3 or 4 for the rest of the season. I can see them winning all the domestic trophies, a feat no one has ever done as far as I know.

The league cup will be tough for them to win. They’re going to be playing a 3rd best 11 v Villa in the next round as the best squad of 22 are at the club World Cup. I think Man U, city, Leicester all still in the league cup as well.

They are a fantastic team and Klopp has managed his rotation well to show they can win without key players.....but I still don’t think their squad is as strong as many think. I actually think they can afford to lose the front 3 more than their defenders. The number of games we’ve been without 3 of our back 5 for long periods....imagine Liverpool losing Robertson, Trent and VVd for 10 games? Gomez, Lovren, Matic, milner that back 4 doesn’t scream security and the full backs won’t be churning 30 assists a season like Trent and Robertson do. Staying fit is part of being a great team, our invincible team stayed healthy for a lot of the season, but a few big injuries and things can change very quickly


True, they haven't had serious injuries to key people. As it stands now? I'm worried. :20hospitals:

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They are a fantastic team and Klopp has managed his rotation well to show they can win without key players.....but I still don’t think their squad is as strong as many think. I actually think they can afford to lose the front 3 more than their defenders. The number of games we’ve been without 3 of our back 5 for long periods....imagine Liverpool losing Robertson, Trent and VVd for 10 games? Gomez, Lovren, Matic, milner that back 4 doesn’t scream security and the full backs won’t be churning 30 assists a season like Trent and Robertson do. Staying fit is part of being a great team, our invincible team stayed healthy for a lot of the season, but a few big injuries and things can change very quickly



You've pushed this old chesnut a few times , someone who was injured being available would have made all the difference .

Now I know you are passionate , post often [ should be manager ]

but I'll tell you something for nothing , with this team we could have a full compliment for the whole season and we'd still be sh*t .

This was a post about Liverpool not Arsenal. We’ve had injuries and they’ve hurt us but I don’t think we’d suddenly be challengers with a full compliment. One thing we have improved in the last few seasons is the lack of injuries to players generally.
I’m always interested in teams who keep such a clean bill of health in their squad, it often goes hand in hand with a good season. Wolves last year, I could name their starting 11 easily because it was the same every week.
My point on Liverpool was there aren’t many like for like replacements for some of the ever presents in their team. City are finding that problem with losing Laporte who seemingly held their defence together single handedly.
Liverpool’s style is a compact midfield 3 who don’t get many goals and assists but they cover the full backs and work damn hard. The full backs provide width and the main creative output. The front 3 obviously cause their own havoc but those full backs are something else, and as with all great players they are often irreplaceable.


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" We should be preying on their lack of confidence and using the fact that we are better footballers to go out and beat them. " .... are we better footballers ..... and what do you think our confidence is like at the moment ...?

I'd say with our lack of cohesion we would be the worst team in the league ....when Watford , Southampton , Norwich and Brighton have all outplayed us what other conclusions can you draw .

Ido think that individually we have better players than West Ham (which was the team I was referring to) my frustration is that for years we have been less than the sum of those parts. I’m saying as a team we’ve become far too passive, or possibly expectant that our talent will see us through these types of games.
My original post was about two teams who lack confidence meeting each other, if we’re one of those teams we’ll be the ones who buckle rather than being able to use the opponents poor run as something to fire us up.
Have you not read my posts claiming exactly the same as you? I’ve said given our performances against the worst teams in the league it isn’t a stretch to see us as being in a relegation fight. We are a team who can’t react, the only team who can’t get a new manager bounce. We’re screwed but if the players play to their potential, as a team, they shouldn’t be in this mess.


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" We should be preying on their lack of confidence and using the fact that we are better footballers to go out and beat them. " .... are we better footballers ..... and what do you think our confidence is like at the moment ...?

I'd say with our lack of cohesion we would be the worst team in the league ....when Watford , Southampton , Norwich and Brighton have all outplayed us what other conclusions can you draw .

Ido think that individually we have better players than West Ham (which was the team I was referring to) my frustration is that for years we have been less than the sum of those parts. I’m saying as a team we’ve become far too passive, or possibly expectant that our talent will see us through these types of games.
My original post was about two teams who lack confidence meeting each other, if we’re one of those teams we’ll be the ones who buckle rather than being able to use the opponents poor run as something to fire us up.
Have you not read my posts claiming exactly the same as you? I’ve said given our performances against the worst teams in the league it isn’t a stretch to see us as being in a relegation fight. We are a team who can’t react, the only team who can’t get a new manager bounce. We’re screwed but if the players play to their potential, as a team, they shouldn’t be in this mess.


Mark Noble will be itching to turn our midfield and defence inside out and has done so many times before. I thought we should have tried to buy him last couple of years.


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Thank you Everton. Although at this point it looks like Chelsea will still take the 4th spot unless Tottenham or Man Utd can make a go of it.


I would prefer a Chelsea victory. We are in the relegation battle with Everton. :42laughter:

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...but I think until the LA Rams stadium is finished and up and running, we are going to be a distant 2nd fiddle to the Rams. When in LA I remind Rams fans we have the same owner, so doesn't it make them by extension Arsenal fans? The looks I get after saying that...haha.


I'm not surprised with their looks. Most could not care less about soccer.

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Come on Freddie, sort out the defensive set-up already.

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Just one question out of your post. Do you drink rum? Tend to makes us feel bullet proof. Swim the english channel. put more coke in the drink ffs

Well of course the little subtlety you missed here Big Guy

..... he'll swim the Channel IF Liverpool are the first to win all domestic trophies ...knowing full well Manky Citee have already done it .

Is he a rum drinker NO ..... you can always tell a rum drinker .... concise , lucid , flair , panache , swashbuckling , redoubtable , great sense of humour .

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The bounce we didn't get with a new manager. Lets compare Everton and us.
Duncan Ferguson turns up for the team talk: " People used to say I was a hard man - but I am pretty easy to get along with if you win. So here is my team (throws team sheet on table) - I want you to remember I have your names and addresses and if you overpaid f...ers don't win, you will get a visit from me and same mates and you need to live in fear for the rest of your miserable lives." = Everton 3 Chelsea 1

Freddie: "I used to model underwear." = no wins in 2 games

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And you think a manager would want to try and sort that mess out?

And even if a decent one did, how long would he be given by our fans?

I can see the attraction of managing The Arsenal, but there are many, many negatives


We just need some decent CB’s. Would cure so much. Crucially Everton have a couple of decent CB’s and just out worked Chelsea today. Mustafi was brought in as our solution last week. Mustafi. Not there was a lot of other choice.

Chris Smalling is being mentioned as an option this morning

And to think, we had Adams, Keown and Bould at one time in the same team.

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Watching Man u and spurs on MOTD, the pace and movement up top is frightening and exactly what we’re missing. Son is in the top 5 players in the league for me. Moura, Rashford, James, martial all electric. Then lingard and alli busying a guy to make runs beyond them.

Also clear how many shots they take, relatively selfish players who can hit clean shots with power and on target. You’d have thought that would be pretty simple for a professional footballer but I’d only back Aubameyang in our team to be able to do this. Even Lacazette has so many miss-hits or scuffs when he doesn’t quite catch it right

Everything we do is at half pace. I fundamentally dislike the profile of players we’ve been recruiting over the past 5 or so years.


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Greeny wrote:
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We just need some decent CB’s. Would cure so much. Crucially Everton have a couple of decent CB’s and just out worked Chelsea today. Mustafi was brought in as our solution last week. Mustafi. Not there was a lot of other choice.

Chris Smalling is being mentioned as an option this morning

And to think, we had Adams, Keown and Bould at one time in the same team.

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Come on Freddie, sort out the defensive set-up already.

In the last post I mentioned Adams, etc., we also had Dixon and Winterburn, who had been bought cheaply from the lower leagues to replace our big stars at the time, Kenny Samson and Viv Anderson, so we don't necessarily have to spend huge amounts of money, it's the organisation.
Whether Freddie has the personality to do that, with the players at his disposal, that's the 2 questions.
Back-to-basics wouldn't be a bad idea.
Defending isn't difficult. You don't have to be super-talented. What you have to have is a plan, you have to stick to it, and you have to have players that will give you 100%. They have to stay in position, be disciplined, run back instead of jogging, and fight for the team.
It can be 3 or 4 or 5 at the back, just make sure they all know their part in the system.
Now here's the problem.
Freddie doesn't appear to have a strong enough personality for that. As a player he had Vieira and Lauren to help him, as a manager he has Mertesacker.
Quite clearly the players aren't up to the job yet either. Whether a new manager could change our handsomely paid little divas attitudes? I very much doubt it. They've arrived... they're where they want to be... they've got their contracts...why change?
We won't be relegated, it's a transition season, Aubameyang is probably off, his replacement will come in, plus a few new signings, and we'll try again next season. The TV money is there, the season tickets have been sold, and we'll carry on for the foreseeable future like this, slowly deteriorating, but always with the hope that next season will be a lucky one.
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Everything we do is at half pace. I fundamentally dislike the profile of players we’ve been recruiting over the past 5 or so years.

There definitely is a profile, and that profile is sadly the profile of Kroenke and Arsenal Football Club, and that's not changing anytime soon.

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Thank you Everton. Although at this point it looks like Chelsea will still take the 4th spot unless Tottenham or Man Utd can make a go of it.


I would prefer a Chelsea victory. We are in the relegation battle with Everton. :42laughter:

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When interviewing next boss candidates what questions would you ask? I would ask ,how will you get the team back to winning ways, how will you get their confidence back, how will you improve the defence, who would you have as your no 2, who will be Captain, who do you want to sign, thats for starters .


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The bounce we didn't get with a new manager. Lets compare Everton and us.
Duncan Ferguson turns up for the team talk: " People used to say I was a hard man - but I am pretty easy to get along with if you win. So here is my team (throws team sheet on table) - I want you to remember I have your names and addresses and if you overpaid f...ers don't win, you will get a visit from me and same mates and you need to live in fear for the rest of your miserable lives." = Everton 3 Chelsea 1

Freddie: "I used to model underwear." = no wins in 2 games


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Watching Man u and spurs on MOTD, the pace and movement up top is frightening and exactly what we’re missing. Son is in the top 5 players in the league for me. Moura, Rashford, James, martial all electric. Then lingard and alli busying a guy to make runs beyond them.

Also clear how many shots they take, relatively selfish players who can hit clean shots with power and on target. You’d have thought that would be pretty simple for a professional footballer but I’d only back Aubameyang in our team to be able to do this. Even Lacazette has so many miss-hits or scuffs when he doesn’t quite catch it right

Everything we do is at half pace. I fundamentally dislike the profile of players we’ve been recruiting over the past 5 or so years.


Unfortunately, it is Özil who slows us down the most. In fact, all the time in the last couple seasons. He needs to caress the ball, look up, run formulas in his mind, then pass the ball on. By which time, either Lacazette or Aubameyang would have already drifted offside. Or, the opposition defence is already into double-layer. Freddie must be brave and drop him. While at it, drop Xhaka and Luiz too.

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Come on Freddie, sort out the defensive set-up already.

In the last post I mentioned Adams, etc., we also had Dixon and Winterburn, who had been bought cheaply from the lower leagues to replace our big stars at the time, Kenny Samson and Viv Anderson, so we don't necessarily have to spend huge amounts of money, it's the organisation.
Whether Freddie has the personality to do that, with the players at his disposal, that's the 2 questions.
Back-to-basics wouldn't be a bad idea.
Defending isn't difficult. You don't have to be super-talented. What you have to have is a plan, you have to stick to it, and you have to have players that will give you 100%. They have to stay in position, be disciplined, run back instead of jogging, and fight for the team.
It can be 3 or 4 or 5 at the back, just make sure they all know their part in the system.
Now here's the problem.
Freddie doesn't appear to have a strong enough personality for that. As a player he had Vieira and Lauren to help him, as a manager he has Mertesacker.
Quite clearly the players aren't up to the job yet either. Whether a new manager could change our handsomely paid little divas attitudes? I very much doubt it. They've arrived... they're where they want to be... they've got their contracts...why change?
We won't be relegated, it's a transition season, Aubameyang is probably off, his replacement will come in, plus a few new signings, and we'll try again next season. The TV money is there, the season tickets have been sold, and we'll carry on for the foreseeable future like this, slowly deteriorating, but always with the hope that next season will be a lucky one.
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Our central defenders don't communicate enough. Luiz loves to canter about, as if he can easily rob the balls from attackers. But he can't! Sok is full of energy and sometimes create catastrophic mistakes, especially in trying to dribble out of the penalty area with 2 attackers near him. Mustafi, is Mustafi.

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When interviewing next boss candidates what questions would you ask? I would ask ,how will you get the team back to winning ways, how will you get their confidence back, how will you improve the defence, who would you have as your no 2, who will be Captain, who do you want to sign, thats for starters .


More important follow-up question to all the answers ...... "why?"
It is the answer to the "why", that tells me he is a thinking man**, and who has already thought through the permutations. Then again, theory is only good on paper. Success is 100% based on execution.

**apologies to the ladies, maybe we might appoint a lady boss

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I wouldn't begrudge Leicester at all if they made the top 4. In this era of big money, I think it would be a wonderful story if they got in. It would take a wee bit of shine off LFC's inevitability as well. Another significant story from the season.
And although LFC has been wildly successful of late with Klopp, one has to think 'what if' they had kept Rodgers there after that 8th place finish and given him the money to build what Klopp did. His stock has certainly risen. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets overseas offers for his services.

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Newcastle win so we are down to 11th

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There is an American show called 'Flea Market Flip' that I just ran across which seems just a version of 'Bargain Hunt'. I learned about Bargain Hunt when I started watching the BBC when it came on American tv in hopes of getting football news.
I loved watching David Dickinson. He cracked me up. I can't say why. He just seemed the stereotypical Brit "Hollywood" type. I imagined he was a big hit with elderly British women who tuned in to see him.

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A while back I suggested we scour the lower divisions for the best central defenders we can find. Start doing what Graham did. Yes, we can still look overseas. Maybe we stopped after Jenkinson and Chambers didn't seem to work out.

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Greeny wrote:
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Come on Freddie, sort out the defensive set-up already.

In the last post I mentioned Adams, etc., we also had Dixon and Winterburn, who had been bought cheaply from the lower leagues to replace our big stars at the time, Kenny Samson and Viv Anderson, so we don't necessarily have to spend huge amounts of money, it's the organisation.
Whether Freddie has the personality to do that, with the players at his disposal, that's the 2 questions.
Back-to-basics wouldn't be a bad idea.
Defending isn't difficult. You don't have to be super-talented. What you have to have is a plan, you have to stick to it, and you have to have players that will give you 100%. They have to stay in position, be disciplined, run back instead of jogging, and fight for the team.
It can be 3 or 4 or 5 at the back, just make sure they all know their part in the system.
Now here's the problem.
Freddie doesn't appear to have a strong enough personality for that. As a player he had Vieira and Lauren to help him, as a manager he has Mertesacker.
Quite clearly the players aren't up to the job yet either. Whether a new manager could change our handsomely paid little divas attitudes? I very much doubt it. They've arrived... they're where they want to be... they've got their contracts...why change?
We won't be relegated, it's a transition season, Aubameyang is probably off, his replacement will come in, plus a few new signings, and we'll try again next season. The TV money is there, the season tickets have been sold, and we'll carry on for the foreseeable future like this, slowly deteriorating, but always with the hope that next season will be a lucky one.
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Greeny wrote:
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We just need some decent CB’s. Would cure so much. Crucially Everton have a couple of decent CB’s and just out worked Chelsea today. Mustafi was brought in as our solution last week. Mustafi. Not there was a lot of other choice.

Chris Smalling is being mentioned as an option this morning

And to think, we had Adams, Keown and Bould at one time in the same team.


If Adams,Keown and Bould had Özil on the left flank not tracking back and Aubameyang on the right just wanting to attack and not tracking back they would be seriously screwed.

I think our stupidity is beyond individuals.

I’m serious these days you would have people saying stuff like “Tony Adams is a coward” and “Keown has no pace “


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Well of course the little subtlety you missed here Big Guy

Your right on both counts. Its like having a resident oracle when you post.

Well you got that one right :icon_mrgreen:

Another oracle prediction .... given the board was probably two years late in sacking Wenger and five months late on sacking Emery I can see them twiddling their thumbs over Ljungberg ..... giving him six weeks at least to turn things around and by that time we will be in such a huge hole , confidence shot , not knowing where to turn and get relegated ,

Freddie in his post match interview doesn't exude the passion needed to turn things around .

Matches I've seen in the Championship they all seem 'dog eat dog' affairs of a combative nature all desperate to get on the Premier League 'gravy train .'

Given that we don't cope well with that type of contest against the current cellar dwellers

...... if we got relegated a quick return would be far from guaranteed .


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Watching kiwi's feed, and it's got Robbie Earle in the studio.

Christ, he looks old now.


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Our central defenders don't communicate enough. Luiz loves to canter about, as if he can easily rob the balls from attackers. But he can't! Sok is full of energy and sometimes create catastrophic mistakes, especially in trying to dribble out of the penalty area with 2 attackers near him. Mustafi, is Mustafi.

Real lack of leaders and communicators all over the pitch. There was a definite need to clear players out but by losing Čech, Monreal, Ramsey, Koscielny, even Lichsteiner and Welbeck - we lost almost all the leadership we had.
It is difficult for a new player to come in and immediately assume the role of the leader or captain, only very special players can do that. Usually those leaders are grown from within. I'm not sure who we have who is even future captain material


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Marcelino is currently in London after catching a flight from the British Airways on the morning. He may become the new Arsenal coach, with Everton also being interested in hiring him. (via @superdeporte_es)


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I mean seriously we are about to make another Spaniard who can’t speak English our manager. Defies belief

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Hmm....I hope we aren't going to be like Newcastle, Palace, West Ham and others have musical chairs managers and end up with more managers on average per season than we have seasons.

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Post #514795  Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:58 pm 
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I mean seriously we are about to make another Spaniard who can’t speak English our manager. Defies belief

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... s-21053969

Is that your only criteria. When I worked in England in the 80’s a Geordie used to come to the bar & I couldn’t understand a word he said. I think you can add Geordies & even some Scots to your list if that is the selection criteria.

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Post #514796  Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:14 am 
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I've gone off Vieira as an option after reading the below which seems to indicate Nice play 'death by passing' with the exact same issues that Arsenal currently have.

https://www.footballcritic.com/features ... senals/270


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Post #514797  Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:59 am 
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TOP GUN wrote:
I mean seriously we are about to make another Spaniard who can’t speak English our manager. Defies belief

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... s-21053969


Hmm... so the board see us more like Valencia, Sevilla, Villarreal rather than Barcelona and Real Madrid or even Ath Madrid.


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Post #514798  Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:47 am 
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Leicester currently outperforming their expected goals for and expected goals against better than anyone in the league, by some distance. You’d think they can’t keep it up but they kept it going for the title season.
XG is a really good stat, when Man U went on that great run when Ole took over the xG showed that the wins were lucky and masking a bigger problem. Also when Emery went on the 22 game unbeaten run we had something like a 25% shot to goal percentage- totally unsustainable


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Post #514799  Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:56 am 
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I mean seriously we are about to make another Spaniard who can’t speak English our manager. Defies belief

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... s-21053969

Is that your only criteria. When I worked in England in the 80’s a Geordie used to come to the bar & I couldn’t understand a word he said. I think you can add Geordies & even some Scots to your list if that is the selection criteria.


Yes it’s paramount that the coach can articulate his ideas and strategy to the players. Clearly Emery struggled in this area and we need strength and stability.

Also his record is pretty uninspiring as well to be honest


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Post #514800  Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:03 am 
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