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Post #513281  Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:34 pm 
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Next 4 games will make or break our season.

Wolves Leicester, Spurs then Liverpool..........................

First 4 months broke our season.


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Post #513282  Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:34 pm 
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Oh my goodness! Cédric Soares is coming on!


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Hooray, great changes by the Boss.....................


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Cédric!!! :21encouragement:


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Yay. Way to mark your debut. Cédric!!!!

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Cédric! 4-0


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That Cédric, eh?

Who knew?


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What a great start to his carreer....................


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Thankfully we haven’t missed Leno with Martinez stepping in.


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12 shots 8 on target. Nice to see


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Thankfully we haven’t missed Leno with Martinez stepping in.

Yep, Martinez has been top quality. He's a big guy, brilliant shot stopping and top class distribution. Has stepped up well.


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Thankfully we haven’t missed Leno with Martinez stepping in.

Yep, Martinez has been top quality. He's a big guy, brilliant shot stopping and top class distribution. Has stepped up well.

He’s looked good when he’s played in Europe

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That Cédric, eh?

Who knew?


Pah, that shot wasn’t even on target, got lucky with the deflection, should be dropped to teach him a lesson...


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Arteta on Guendouzi's absence: "It is the same reasons as last week.

"Somethings have to change and nothing has changed."


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Arteta on Guendouzi's absence: "It is the same reasons as last week.

"Somethings have to change and nothing has changed."


Ah, that clears it right up!


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Ash wrote:
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Arteta on Guendouzi's absence: "It is the same reasons as last week.

"Somethings have to change and nothing has changed."


Ah, that clears it right up!


It’s pretty clear what the problem is as far as I can see


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Ah, that clears it right up!


It’s pretty clear what the problem is as far as I can see


So move him on? If we sell him for more than 7M it’ll be the first I can remember for a long time, of buying a young player, selling for a profit and not ripping the heart out of our team.


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Enjoying the rewards the forwards are getting from closing down the defence and gk. twice in a couple of games.
It’s more than just closing down the man on the ball, it needs the whole team to buy in to the press and the positioning needs to be spot on so passing channels are closed off. Force a mistake high up the pitch or force them to go aimlessly long and regain possession. To get all this right needs hours and hours of work on the training pitch. Klopp and Pep both play this high press but both took at least a season to implement it properly


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If you could sell two players to make funds available, because I’m convinced thats the only way we’re making any signings other than free’s and loans, who would you let go?

Mine would be Lacazette and (look away Bern) Guendouzi. Two players who would bring in decent fees and I think have played out their time here.

Sadly Lacazette has not been able to reproduce his Lyon's scoring form for us. But we are likely to lose Aubameyang and that may see Lacazette being retained.

As for Guendouzi, a good squad player at the moment but can't get along with Arteta? But we may need the numbers in midfield - Özil, Ceballos and even Torreira may be gone next season. Unless Mkhitaryan and Elneny are integrated back to team but that doesn't seem like the plan.


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If you could sell two players to make funds available, because I’m convinced thats the only way we’re making any signings other than free’s and loans, who would you let go?

Mine would be Lacazette and (look away Bern) Guendouzi. Two players who would bring in decent fees and I think have played out their time here.

Sadly Lacazette has not been able to reproduce his Lyon's scoring form for us. But we are likely to lose Aubameyang and that may see Lacazette being retained.

As for Guendouzi, a good squad player at the moment but can't get along with Arteta? But we may need the numbers in midfield - Özil, Ceballos and even Torreira may be gone next season. Unless Mkhitaryan and Elneny are integrated back to team but that doesn't seem like the plan.


Mkhitaryan is gone, we’ve released him. I forgot Elneny even existed, I can’t see it, but quite a few players have returned Lazarus like under Arteta so never say never. Why might Torreria be gone next season? I also don’t think we’ll miss Özil seeing as he never plays. If we sell Guendouzi for a decent fee I think it’s a given we’ll sign someone in midfield to replace him.


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He did, but I assume he was just talking on the basis that Arsenal can't use him so why not extend the loan. The money side of things adds complexity

https://www.arsenal.com/news/william-saliba-statement


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Another 3 points away from relegation. Looking good.

We have a promising group of young players to develop into a well oiled team. Come on Arteta, do your stuff during the shortened off-season.

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TOP GUN wrote:
Arteta on Guendouzi's absence: "It is the same reasons as last week.

"Somethings have to change and nothing has changed."



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Arteta on Guendouzi's absence: "It is the same reasons as last week.

"Somethings have to change and nothing has changed."



I respect Arteta for not elaborating details. He is also not using his power to talk up the matter, to.make Guendozi look bad. Respect.

Have an issue, try to resolve, cannot resolve, move on. That's the way to go.

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Goonie wrote:
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If you could sell two players to make funds available, because I’m convinced thats the only way we’re making any signings other than free’s and loans, who would you let go?

Mine would be Lacazette and (look away Bern) Guendouzi. Two players who would bring in decent fees and I think have played out their time here.

Sadly Lacazette has not been able to reproduce his Lyon's scoring form for us. But we are likely to lose Aubameyang and that may see Lacazette being retained.

As for Guendouzi, a good squad player at the moment but can't get along with Arteta? But we may need the numbers in midfield - Özil, Ceballos and even Torreira may be gone next season. Unless Mkhitaryan and Elneny are integrated back to team but that doesn't seem like the plan.


Agree with you. Guendozi is a good squad player. Not in the same level as Vieira or Fabregas. Can he develop into that level? Yes, only if he focus fully on it and not let his emotions or ego get the better of him.

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Leicester are in reverse at the moment. If they lose today they’re only 3 points ahead of Man U and wolves in 4th and 5th. It wouldn’t surprise me if both overtook them as well as Chelsea and Leicester finish 6th. Would be incredibly harsh on them as the shutdown and restart of football seems to have affected them, whereas Man U have managed to get rashford and pogba both back fit for games they wouldn’t have played


I think Leicester have won 2 in their last 10 since start of the year so their decline started earlier. Agree on Man U fortune in having players return from injury. Meanwhile, in true Arsenal fashion, we start after the shutdown when everyone should be nice and fresh and get a swag of injuries. :)


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Ash wrote:
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Sadly Lacazette has not been able to reproduce his Lyon's scoring form for us. But we are likely to lose Aubameyang and that may see Lacazette being retained.

As for Guendouzi, a good squad player at the moment but can't get along with Arteta? But we may need the numbers in midfield - Özil, Ceballos and even Torreira may be gone next season. Unless Mkhitaryan and Elneny are integrated back to team but that doesn't seem like the plan.


Mkhitaryan is gone, we’ve released him. I forgot Elneny even existed, I can’t see it, but quite a few players have returned Lazarus like under Arteta so never say never. Why might Torreria be gone next season? I also don’t think we’ll miss Özil seeing as he never plays. If we sell Guendouzi for a decent fee I think it’s a given we’ll sign someone in midfield to replace him.


Agree we won't miss Özil just like we haven't missed Mkhitaryan and Elneny. Not sure how happy Torreira is at Arsenal but there have been transfer rumours surrounding him even in his first season with us. Our CM roster could look something like this next season: Xhaka, Willock, AMN, Emile Smith Rowe + 1 or even 2 new CMs


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Sadly Lacazette has not been able to reproduce his Lyon's scoring form for us. But we are likely to lose Aubameyang and that may see Lacazette being retained.

As for Guendouzi, a good squad player at the moment but can't get along with Arteta? But we may need the numbers in midfield - Özil, Ceballos and even Torreira may be gone next season. Unless Mkhitaryan and Elneny are integrated back to team but that doesn't seem like the plan.


Agree with you. Guendozi is a good squad player. Not in the same level as Vieira or Fabregas. Can he develop into that level? Yes, only if he focus fully on it and not let his emotions or ego get the better of him.


Can he develop to the level of the two best midfielders we’ve ever had? Safe to say no on that one.


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Ash wrote:
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Agree with you. Guendozi is a good squad player. Not in the same level as Vieira or Fabregas. Can he develop into that level? Yes, only if he focus fully on it and not let his emotions or ego get the better of him.


Can he develop to the level of the two best midfielders we’ve ever had? Safe to say no on that one.

Fabregas one “of the two best midfielders we’ve ever had”. Good god, he wouldn’t even get on the bench of my best ever Arsenal team, let alone the starting eleven. Brady was comfortably better. I’d put Pires above Fabregas too: he was much quicker for a start. But maybe pace no longer bothers you if you think Fabregas is one of our two best midfielders ever?

Different type of player but I’d have Petit in my team before Fabregas as well.


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Can he develop to the level of the two best midfielders we’ve ever had? Safe to say no on that one.

Fabregas one “of the two best midfielders we’ve ever had”. Good god, he wouldn’t even get on the bench of my best ever Arsenal team, let alone the starting eleven. Brady was comfortably better. I’d put Pires above Fabregas too: he was much quicker for a start. But maybe pace no longer bothers you if you think Fabregas is one of our two best midfielders ever?

Different type of player but I’d have Petit in my team before Fabregas as well.


But he was faster than Guendouzi though wasn’t he, and was also comfortably better in every regard at 17, making up for the pace with other attributes, see, that was my point. Guendouzi is slow and not good enough at other things to make up for it. And thankfully looks like he’s being moved on.


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As for Guendouzi, a good squad player at the moment but can't get along with Arteta? But we may need the numbers in midfield - Özil, Ceballos and even Torreira may be gone next season. Unless Mkhitaryan and Elneny are integrated back to team but that doesn't seem like the plan.

Price dependent of course - I’m hoping that Ceballos stays. He’s becoming a far more influential player for us and putting in far more complete performances.

Also it seems to me that Xhaka is doing far less of the stupid stuff like diving in which is a big positive.

The hand of Arteta perhaps?

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Fabregas one “of the two best midfielders we’ve ever had”. Good god, he wouldn’t even get on the bench of my best ever Arsenal team, let alone the starting eleven. Brady was comfortably better. I’d put Pires above Fabregas too: he was much quicker for a start. But maybe pace no longer bothers you if you think Fabregas is one of our two best midfielders ever?

Different type of player but I’d have Petit in my team before Fabregas as well.

But he was faster than Guendouzi though wasn’t he, and was also comfortably better in every regard at 17, making up for the pace with other attributes, see, that was my point. Guendouzi is slow and not good enough at other things to make up for it. And thankfully looks like he’s being moved on.

By having average pace Guendouzi is quicker than Fabregas, who was slow. When Guendouzi first broke into the team he struck me as the best youngster since Fabregas.

I’m still hoping your wish to see him moved won’t be satisfied. Heard a little of a radio interview yesterday (I was in my wife’s car who changes the station that’s on way too much to keep track or even bother asking what’s on).

Anyway, there was some bloke with some sort of Arsenal background being interviewed. An ex-player I presume, but it could be another type of job or even a guy from a fan group for all I know. He said he doesn’t see Guendouzi being sold as he is rated within the club. Perhaps they’re trying to hasten his maturity? Who knows but it gave me a little ray of comfort as I genuinely think he’s a top player in the making. There was also a little hope offered by some more formal report earlier in the week that Guendouzi has been told he won’t be sold.

Going back to your initial post on this sort of thread naming players you want sold, why was there no mention of Aubameyang? If he refuses to renew his contact, do you see keeping him next season but then losing him for nothing as better than selling him now for what hopefully would be for a decent transfer fee to enable some sort of replacement to be signed, or a player in another position?


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Agree we won't miss Özil just like we haven't missed Mkhitaryan and Elneny. Not sure how happy Torreira is at Arsenal but there have been transfer rumours surrounding him even in his first season with us. Our CM roster could look something like this next season: Xhaka, Willock, AMN, Emile Smith Rowe + 1 or even 2 new CMs

Central midfield really is a priority in the summer. Özil is no great loss, nor Mkhi and Elneny. Ceballos will return to Madrid, Torreira could go back to Italy and Guendouzi could be used to raise funds. That is 3 players who have had a fair emount of minutes this season. If those 3 go we definitely need 2 central midfielders and I think we also need another attacking creative central mid.
If Arteta uses the 3-4-3 as the last few games then it is Xhaka + 1 in the middle. But if he goes down the City route of 4-1-2-3 then it is Xhaka at the base plus 2 x No.8's (de bruyne + silva in the city team). Saka starts coming in to the equation for that role and it potentially suits Willock and ASR but both are still very young and asking them to control a game and be responsible for our creative output is too much. None of the other midfielders suit this.

To get a team to suit Arteta's management style we've seen so far I think as a minimum you need a couple more central mids, 1 who can play deep or box-to-box and another who can play box-to-box or attacking, swap out lacazette for a more mobile striker. Plenty more work to do in the squad, particularly in improving quality in defence but the 3 areas mentioned above are not necessarily about quality it is about the make-up of the player to suit the managers way of playing


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I’m hoping that Ceballos stays. He’s becoming a far more influential player for us and putting in far more complete performances.

Hasn’t the extension of Ceballos’ loan deal been confirmed? I’m sure I saw headlines saying it had. But having said that, I don’t recall reading any of the reports so perhaps I simply misunderstood the headline.


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I’m hoping that Ceballos stays. He’s becoming a far more influential player for us and putting in far more complete performances.

Hasn’t the extension of Ceballos’ loan deal been confirmed? I’m sure I saw headlines saying it had. But having said that, I don’t recall reading any of the reports so perhaps I simply misunderstood the headline.

Not really. This is from the AFC site from a few days ago:

We are delighted to confirm that defenders David Luiz, Pablo Mari and Cédric Soares have agreed contracts to stay with us beyond the end of this season.
In addition midfielder Dani Ceballos has extended his loan from Real Madrid until the end of the current 2019/20 season.

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Hasn’t the extension of Ceballos’ loan deal been confirmed? I’m sure I saw headlines saying it had. But having said that, I don’t recall reading any of the reports so perhaps I simply misunderstood the headline.

Not really. This is from the AFC site from a few days ago:

We are delighted to confirm that defenders David Luiz, Pablo Mari and Cédric Soares have agreed contracts to stay with us beyond the end of this season.
In addition midfielder Dani Ceballos has extended his loan from Real Madrid until the end of the current 2019/20 season.

Ah thanks. That makes it much clearer. Shows the danger of just going by headlines without reading what follows.


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But he was faster than Guendouzi though wasn’t he, and was also comfortably better in every regard at 17, making up for the pace with other attributes, see, that was my point. Guendouzi is slow and not good enough at other things to make up for it. And thankfully looks like he’s being moved on.

By having average pace Guendouzi is quicker than Fabregas, who was slow. When Guendouzi first broke into the team he struck me as the best youngster since Fabregas.

I’m still hoping your wish to see him moved won’t be satisfied. Heard a little of a radio interview yesterday (I was in my wife’s car who changes the station that’s on way too much to keep track or even bother asking what’s on).

Anyway, there was some bloke with some sort of Arsenal background being interviewed. An ex-player I presume, but it could be another type of job or even a guy from a fan group for all I know. He said he doesn’t see Guendouzi being sold as he is rated within the club. Perhaps they’re trying to hasten his maturity? Who knows but it gave me a little ray of comfort as I genuinely think he’s a top player in the making. There was also a little hope offered by some more formal report earlier in the week that Guendouzi has been told he won’t be sold.

Going back to your initial post on this sort of thread naming players you want sold, why was there no mention of Aubameyang? If he refuses to renew his contact, do you see keeping him next season but then losing him for nothing as better than selling him now for what hopefully would be for a decent transfer fee to enable some sort of replacement to be signed, or a player in another position?


Fabregas wasn’t quick but to call back to a previous line of argument, in a race between him Xhaka and Guendouzi I honestly don’t know who’d be slowest. That means they’re probably all slow. Although Febregas never placed behind a famously slow player in a speed test as far as I know. And to the point about midfielders lack of pace being no problem, during Fabregas’ tenure and beyond recovery pace of midfielders was a huge issue as we’d camp outside the opposition’s box and then be hit on the break and concede with the first shot in target. Recovery runs from midfielders are very important, and I’m sure players like Cazorla, Zidane et al weren’t very fast but frankly they mitigate that by being genius playmakers no??

As to the point about Brady I never saw him play being the young whippersnapper that I am, but I’ll bow to your opinion on that as I can’t make the comparison directly myself.

Why lacazette and not Aubameyang? Because Aubameyang is firing and Lacazette isn’t. Next season if we sell Aubameyang there are no guaranteed goals, even if we sign someone they’d likely be unproven, and Aubameyang is as close to a guarantee of forward goals you’re going to get. It would be too much, I think, to rely on Eddie and Martinelli and A.N other forward signing to lead the charge, and personally, others might think differently, I’d rather have Aubameyang for the last year of his contract because we won’t be able to replace those goals I don’t think.


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It would be too much, I think, to rely on Eddie and Martinelli and A.N other forward signing to lead the charge, and personally, others might think differently, I’d rather have Aubameyang for the last year of his contract because we won’t be able to replace those goals I don’t think.

Hi Ash, Doesn't this just push the problem 1 season on and leave us in a worse position then than we could be in next season.
If Aubamayang makes it clear he won't sign a new deal you have:
Option 1: Sell him to the highest bidder and have £Xm to try to replace him
Option 2: Keep him for another year, probably get a decent goal output because as you say he's as close as you can get to guaranteed goals, but then lose him for free in summer 2021 so we're faced with replacing Aubamayang with £0 money

Obviously if the only price anyone was willing to bid for him was £10m then I'd keep him for his final year, but I'd think that there are enough wealthy teams out there who want guaranteed goals that he'd raise at least £30m+. The point is not whether we can replace Aubamayang with what we are forced to sell him for - we almost certainly can't - the point is it is a lot easier to try to improve the team with some money from his sale than nothing and doing the later just delays things by a year and puts us in a worse position


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I don't keep up with a lot of our players who were sold or on loan but I had no idea he caught the eye of Juve?!

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Don’t be shocked if Aubameyang renews his contract with us. I think it’s not definite and it’s going to be a really close call but his value to us will be greater than other teams I think. Also I don’t think Arsenal can replace him wasn’t Danny Ings being suggested as a potential replacement. Get Özil off the books and offer whatever we save on Özil to Aubameyang for a few years. I really can’t see other teams being willing to stretch that far.


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