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Post #512361  Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 5:24 pm 
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Would anyone take Coutinho for £8m for a season long loan?

These sorts of expensive loans with no option to buy appear on the face of it a bit of a waste of money, especially when you factor in picking up the players wages. But, if you are short on money but need a short term boost they can be useful.

I wouldn’t. Since leaving Liverpool where he was outstanding, he’s gone dramatically downhill. Turned out to be a disastrous waste of money for Barcelona.His form this season on loan at Bayern has been a major disappointment. Bayern did have an option to buy him on a permanent deal but they’ve understandably already announced they’re not taking it up.

Heard him described as a busted flush at Bayern. We’re probably already stuck with Özil for next season if nobody else will match his wages at Arsenal. I don’t see the point of lumbering ourselves with an Özil Mark II in addition to the original. There’s probably as much chance of Özil returning to his best as there is of Coutinho producing his Liverpool form with us.

I agree with you, Bernard. A disastrous transfer for Barcelona. They over-rated him to an absurd degree. He's a player who scores spectacular goals but is hugely inconsistent. And Özil at his best is much better than Coutinho was at Liverpool.....not that we will ever see it again

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I wouldn’t. Since leaving Liverpool where he was outstanding, he’s gone dramatically downhill. Turned out to be a disastrous waste of money for Barcelona.His form this season on loan at Bayern has been a major disappointment. Bayern did have an option to buy him on a permanent deal but they’ve understandably already announced they’re not taking it up.

Heard him described as a busted flush at Bayern. We’re probably already stuck with Özil for next season if nobody else will match his wages at Arsenal. I don’t see the point of lumbering ourselves with an Özil Mark II in addition to the original. There’s probably as much chance of Özil returning to his best as there is of Coutinho producing his Liverpool form with us.

I agree with you, Bernard. A disastrous transfer for Barcelona. They over-rated him to an absurd degree. He's a player who scores spectacular goals but is hugely inconsistent. And Özil at his best is much better than Coutinho was at Liverpool.....not that we will ever see it again


Supposedly Barcelona are ready to sell Coutinho, Griezmann and Dembele...I'd take any one them but the only problem is the crazy money it would involve.


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I like the FA cup because of how many times we have won it. In my whole time as a supporter we have never won the league cup. When was the last time we won that thing?

1993. Beat Sheffield Wednesday in the final.

Bittersweet for Steve Morrow. He didn’t deserve that.

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1993. Beat Sheffield Wednesday in the final.

Bittersweet for Steve Morrow. He didn’t deserve that.

As you’ll know, we also beat Sheffield Wednesday in the FA Cup final that season. Andy Linighan’s moment of fame, albeit without the injury that Morrow incurred.


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An American history professor told us that the reason why Europeans/Americans were able to pacify the land east of the Mississippi easier than the west of the Mississippi was based on two things. 1. Superior weapons and 2. the horse. (a tertiary advantage was disease like small pox).

The tribes east of the river didn't have many horses. The Spanish, Cortez and others who invaded present day Mexico came on horseback in the 1500s and horses escaped and bred and migrated into western America. The wild ones were known as mustangs. The Indians at the time were on foot. They mastered horses, Comanches being the best at it. The early English and Dutch settlers in America met tribes who had no horses. Its difficult in that 100 year span to horses to make past that great Mississippi river. There were no land bridges.

This book is fascinating and its a great read. Lots of John Wayne movies involved the Comanche and other tribes. They were not easy to pacify. They were warriors in every sense of the word.

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Bittersweet for Steve Morrow. He didn’t deserve that.

As you’ll know, we also beat Sheffield Wednesday in the FA Cup final that season. Andy Linighan’s moment of fame, albeit without the injury that Morrow incurred.


We won 3 cup finals wearing the 1992-94 home kit. Not the best looking but certainly "lucky"?


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1993. Beat Sheffield Wednesday in the final.

Bittersweet for Steve Morrow. He didn’t deserve that.


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It's complicated. This happened in Ferguson, Missouri and Baltimore as well as the 'Occupy Wallstreet' movement post recession in 2008.

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I have long resisted blocking anybody as it kind of renders the whole thing pointless. But finally I've had enough and blocked you know who as he/she has been seriously spoiling my enjoyment of the forum. That video on not being ignored was just too weird for me.


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The 20/21 away shirt....

I presume that's just a joke.

Adidas seems to like that ripple affect.

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I have long resisted blocking anybody as it kind of renders the whole thing pointless. But finally I've had enough and blocked you know who as he/she has been seriously spoiling my enjoyment of the forum. That video on not being ignored was just too weird for me.

I haven’t watched the video but, and if not watching it has sent my thoughts off in completely the wrong direction I apologise, the desire to not be ignored does strike me as likely to be very important to him.


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Goonie I can't imagine this away one being considered. Yet wouldn't be surprised either.

It almost looks like it has blood stains on it. As though the wearer has slashed someone with a knife and the victim’s blood has sprayed on him or her.


It’s been a while, Bernard, so tell us about someone who was hanged for a similar crime?

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I have long resisted blocking anybody as it kind of renders the whole thing pointless. But finally I've had enough and blocked you know who as he/she has been seriously spoiling my enjoyment of the forum. That video on not being ignored was just too weird for me.

I haven’t watched the video but, and if not watching it has sent my thoughts off in completely the wrong direction I apologise, the desire to not be ignored does strike me as likely to be very important to him.


He’s only here to stoke (or should it be stroke) his own ego. But he’s useful for at least being an example of an American (we kind of interact with) that goes a long way to illustrate what a messed up country it is in so many ways.

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It’s a big no no on Coutinho for me too.

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I have long resisted blocking anybody as it kind of renders the whole thing pointless. But finally I've had enough and blocked you know who as he/she has been seriously spoiling my enjoyment of the forum. That video on not being ignored was just too weird for me.


I hadn’t thought of AG as possibly being female; all the women I’ve known bar one have been pretty self-aware; which is one thing AG can’t be accused of.

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It almost looks like it has blood stains on it. As though the wearer has slashed someone with a knife and the victim’s blood has sprayed on him or her.

It’s been a while, Bernard, so tell us about someone who was hanged for a similar crime?

Hi john1. Suppose the most famous knife killer is Jack the Ripper, even though ironically nobody knows who it was despite the countless theories, many of which were so flimsy they were presumably developed to get books published or television documentaries aired. But in recent years Joanne Dennehy killed her victims through knifing them, as well as viciously stabbing another two men multiple times before leaving them for dead. Somehow these last two survived.

Joanne is a very interesting lady. One of only three females in the UK to be given a whole life tariff with her prison sentence (the others being Myra Hindley and Rosemary West). But while Myra and Rose were sort of equal with male partners Ian Brady and Fred West (some consider Fred started off as the main player but Rose took over), Joanne was very much the dominant force in her crimes even though she used a very big chap called Gary Stretch (over seven feet tall) to help her dispose of the bodies and drive her around.

Joanne is serving her sentence at Bronzefield Prison. Mainly in solitary confinement as it’s recognised if she was allowed personal contact with anyone she would use the opportunity to kill them. The authorities can’t take that risk as she loves killing people. When she and Rose West met in the same prison, Joanne threatened her and they had to move Rose for her own safety. She also developed an escape plan that involved cutting off the fingers of prison guards so she could open doors operated by touch screen fingerprints.

Another interesting thing about Dennehy is that she came from a middle class family in Hertfordshire, was well educated although she went off the rails in her teens with drug and alcohol abuse, and she was never the victim of any sexual or any other kind of abuse. So Joanne doesn’t meet the profile of many serial killers. Yet she was violent to her main (she had countless bits on the side) boyfriend who was the father of her two children. She also loved violent pornography and her boyfriend eventually left her with the children as she was so dangerous.


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Yesterday marked 1 yr ago of the EL Final in Baku. Some on here went to it. 4-1 loss aside, was it worth it?

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Yesterday marked 1 yr ago of the EL Final in Baku. Some on here went to it. 4-1 loss aside, was it worth it?

No it wasn’t worth it. Not by a long way. The whole trip cost £1,143 and some pence that I wouldn’t have spent had I not gone. Total waste of money. It would have been worth it had we gone. But we didn’t just lose, we were humiliated in the second half.

Some people seemed upset by the way Koscielny left, with the shirts incident. After his performance in that final, I’m delighted he went. He was a fine player alongside Mertesacker and together they produced a good partnership. But that final showed Koscielny’s time was up. He made Giroud look like Ronaldo at his peak.


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The further monetizing of football. Large parts of this we already know but there is some interesting new insights and possibilities of how football is going to be marketed and viewed.


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I'd be willing to pay the price of subscription to Netflix for all the football I wanted to see.

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Yesterday marked 1 yr ago of the EL Final in Baku. Some on here went to it. 4-1 loss aside, was it worth it?

No it wasn’t worth it. Not by a long way. The whole trip cost £1,143 and some pence that I wouldn’t have spent had I not gone. Total waste of money. It would have been worth it had we gone. But we didn’t just lose, we were humiliated in the second half.

I meant it would had been worth it had we won, not gone. I did go, unfortunately. Bloody spell checker.


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Surreal. Minneapolis is known as a liberal city. It has a Democrat party mayor, the whole city council are Democrats save one and that one is a Green party member, as far left as you can go in America and be elected.
Yet, they have never convicted a cop save one. A Somali American who shot an Aussie tourist in a dark alley as she pounded on the police car to get their attention when she was not seen. Before he was convicted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm_n4NtXF9k , a first for the city of a police officer, there was a previous incident where clearly a man was shot unarmed, in front of his girlfriend and her child. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V94Lphx6z6Y ...and he was acquitted of all charges. Very difficult to watch.

Our government via the CIA and other means, have promoted uprisings such as the various Arab springs, other locales. These uprisings included looting, even the harm of innocents, much worse than we see here but was seen as justified against an unjust government.


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Yesterday marked 1 yr ago of the EL Final in Baku. Some on here went to it. 4-1 loss aside, was it worth it?

It wasn't even worth watching it for free on TV. The result wasn't unexpected.

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I've visited at least a couple dozen countries or more. Even some countries deemed 'oppressive' by the west and never had cause to feel the police I interacted with would harm me. Were a few stern? yes. Authoritative? yes. But never the same feeling of being stopped by a police officer in America under certain circumstances.

In fact, the Canadian government has put out advisories to their citizens traveling to the states on what to do or more importantly, what not to do, if stopped by a cop. In Canada it may be the norm but such things are reaching for your wallet to get your license could be a life or death situation. I wait till I'm told. I then tell the officer where it is and if its okay to get it. And I move very, very slowly.

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There is one thing the media in America, all types are not reporting yet about the...take your choice of words....uprising...riot...demonstrations...or another word is that its happening in cities across the nation for a start. Which suggests to me its about addressing systemic and endemic issues that are not only in Minneapolis. Which isn't a shock since we saw similar reasons to be in the streets in St. Louis and Baltimore and other places where incidents happened.
The second thing is many of these places the crowds are diverse. In LA, there was looting in an area with a well known place for both locals and tourists, called The Grove, other names for the area around 3rd and Fairfax. This is an upscale area, and the crowds I saw on TV and friends there are saying its very diverse. The young in America have been waging a generation war for a few years now. The terms 'Okay Boomer' and 'Okay Karen' are as much rooted in middle class American youth as any. They are the biggest supporters of Bernie Sanders. in this generation, socialism is not a dirty word, its actually said proudly.

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It’s been a while, Bernard, so tell us about someone who was hanged for a similar crime?

Hi john1. Suppose the most famous knife killer is Jack the Ripper, even though ironically nobody knows who it was despite the countless theories, many of which were so flimsy they were presumably developed to get books published or television documentaries aired. But in recent years Joanne Dennehy killed her victims through knifing them, as well as viciously stabbing another two men multiple times before leaving them for dead. Somehow these last two survived.

Joanne is a very interesting lady. One of only three females in the UK to be given a whole life tariff with her prison sentence (the others being Myra Hindley and Rosemary West). But while Myra and Rose were sort of equal with male partners Ian Brady and Fred West (some consider Fred started off as the main player but Rose took over), Joanne was very much the dominant force in her crimes even though she used a very big chap called Gary Stretch (over seven feet tall) to help her dispose of the bodies and drive her around.

Joanne is serving her sentence at Bronzefield Prison. Mainly in solitary confinement as it’s recognised if she was allowed personal contact with anyone she would use the opportunity to kill them. The authorities can’t take that risk as she loves killing people. When she and Rose West met in the same prison, Joanne threatened her and they had to move Rose for her own safety. She also developed an escape plan that involved cutting off the fingers of prison guards so she could open doors operated by touch screen fingerprints.

Another interesting thing about Dennehy is that she came from a middle class family in Hertfordshire, was well educated although she went off the rails in her teens with drug and alcohol abuse, and she was never the victim of any sexual or any other kind of abuse. So Joanne doesn’t meet the profile of many serial killers. Yet she was violent to her main (she had countless bits on the side) boyfriend who was the father of her two children. She also loved violent pornography and her boyfriend eventually left her with the children as she was so dangerous.


Interesting is one way of describing her.

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When I first saw this headline, I was muttering like Harry Potter when the sorting hat was being placed over him. "Not Mustafi....not Mustafi"...haha...
He said its Holding and I agree. I like Holding. He's not going to be Tony Adams but the few times I saw him when he was healthy, he wasn't bad. I also remember the cup final when he bossed it at the back.

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I also remember the cup final when he bossed it at the back.

Are you seriously saying it wasn’t Mertesacker who “bossed it at the back”. Even Keown, who you use to justify other views, called it ‘the Mertesacker final’.

I so hope Mustafi stays a good while yet. Firstly, he’s nowhere near as bad as you try to claim. Secondly, your reaction would be hilarious.


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It was a shot to the gut when our own Arsenal legend :58big-emoticons: Fabregas went to Chelsea. If he had gone to Man Utd...I am not sure if I would have recovered...lol. I do remember the rumors being fairly strong at the time they were interested in him. Had it happened, i'd have love to be a fly on the wall to see him the room with Scholes or Giggs and the awkward intro meeting. haha

in the NBA Dennis Rodman joining the Chicago Bulls from Detroit was the same. Rodman had targeted Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippin personally in previous battles and it was personal. He was asked to apologize to one of them to smooth things over. Story is he and Jordan never socialized off the court at all.


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It was a shot to the gut when our own Arsenal legend :58big-emoticons: Fabregas went to Chelsea. If he had gone to Man Utd...I am not sure if I would have recovered...lol. I do remember the rumors being fairly strong at the time they were interested in him. Had it happened, i'd have love to be a fly on the wall to see him the room with Scholes or Giggs and the awkward intro meeting. haha

I don’t suppose there would have been any problem at all had he joined them. Either for Fabregas or any Manchester United players. Hand shakes all round I’d imagine followed by pleasant, polite formalities like the ‘welcome to the club’ or ‘delighted to be here’ sort of stuff.


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I'm not surprised of Scholes' choice. If I'm not mistaken (and I often am lol) Vieira named Scholes as his toughest as well. Only Sherringham I hate more than Scholes but that's like saying I hate Hiimmler more than Goebbels. Not much sunlight between the two.
Am I the only who sees his use of the adjective "awkward" as a veiled dig? Hmmm...

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‘As a player I played against Vieira was brilliant,’ Scholes told the A Goal In One Podcast. ‘The way I played there was never an opponent I had to be fitter than, stronger than, more physical than. I was never that type of player, I was a passing player.

‘I could beat players with passing but Vieira he was just so awkward, so tall, so long, so leggy. Just when you thought you had it he would nick it over your head.

‘He was just so awkward to play against but what a really good player. He wasn’t just a holding player, he got himself forward, he could score goals, he could make goals. He had great energy.

‘Whenever people ask me who’s the best I played against [Okay maybe] not the best [ability wise] but the most awkward I played against it was Vieira.’

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It was a shot to the gut when our own Arsenal legend :58big-emoticons: Fabregas went to Chelsea. If he had gone to Man Utd...I am not sure if I would have recovered...lol. I do remember the rumors being fairly strong at the time they were interested in him. Had it happened, i'd have love to be a fly on the wall to see him the room with Scholes or Giggs and the awkward intro meeting. haha

I don’t suppose there would have been any problem at all had he joined them. Either for Fabregas or any Manchester United players. Hand shakes all round I’d imagine followed by pleasant, polite formalities like the ‘welcome to the club’ or ‘delighted to be here’ sort of stuff.

‘Do you want to go out tonight for pizza’ or that type of thing.

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At least 16 cities have had/are having protests. The latter actually. What makes it remarkable is that its diverse and I suspect much, much more than the specific incident. The secret America doesn't report is that the police are hated by almost all strata of society.

Starting about 30 years ago, the police's mandate was to be a de facto tax/revenue collector. The cities are broke. When I was a small child in the jurassic age, the police routinely gave warnings for broken tail lights. In many cities, you got a fix it ticket. Meaning you got a certain amount of days 30 days or 60 days to fix it and it won't be a fine. You presented the receipt with the ticket and all was well and good. No more. The police right a ticket for it.

The police's job is to go out and take your money or freedom. Promotions have changed. The amount of tickets and arrests you make are now part of the promotion process. It never used to be before. You took the Sergeants exam, a supervisor rode with you on occasion and your general reputation were the factors. Now, its the person who brings in the most money and arrests the most people. The state prisons are now privately own in part and they actually have a quota to the companies that run them.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN10Z2JU
This article is 4 years old. The US crime rate has been falling since the mid 1990s and took a small spike up with the opiod crisis ,but the media doesn't report the fall overall. Despite the police best efforts crime has fallen so they look for any reason to arrest.

Because the police are looking for any excuse to write a ticket they are not liked. They are hated in reality. The politicians hail the police as a campaign strategy. "We owe so much to the men and women who put their lives on the line". This is complete BS to the people. The police instigate and escalate encounters with males between the ages of 18 to 30 to get an arrest. Especially ethnic minorities in low income areas because its easy pickings. Unlikely for any repercussions if they violate rights.

The government has also given the police gestapo esque powers. its very, very difficult to get a conviction for a cop even if he kills on camera, unarmed people. We have all seen it. Very rare. They are protected and they know it. The government has also militarized the police. The surplus from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been given to police departments all over the country. There are literally 5 or 10 man police departments in small rural areas with vehicles and weaponry used to fight al Queda in war zones.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/8/1 ... r-on-drugs
Some surmise the reasoning is that the government has misused and abused its power on the citizenry so much in various forms: taxes, rights, foreign wars, etc. that they sense a real revolt at some point. Of all the western nations America is the most prime for one. There are millions of people with guns, legal and otherwise, 1000s of armed gang members, millions of vets who have seen combat, 1000s of militia types, who may all find that one confluent issue or action to react.

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The police have gestapo powers. The US inherited the sacrosanct view of the press from the UK and we made it one of the original rights. Trump has demonized the press as 'fake' giving cover for the police to violate breach that wall that was always seen as sacred. The live arrest of a CNN reporter, a media outlet Trump has demonized and on video tells you that America is broken. We are no longer a true republic but an oligarchy.
The video shows plainly the police had no cause. The media crew were asking for instructions on where to be so they can conduct their right to report. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLzQefpBvM. The wrongful arrests of protesters are norm. But the blatant arrest of a reporter on video for no cause should be an alarm that all members of the government should condemn but they haven't. Not a word.

The protests have morphed into a variety of things. In a previous post I showed the police infiltrate and agitate and actually incite destruction so that they can go in and stop it. They can't simply (or they can actually but don't think they can get away with it) arrest peaceful protesters. They want to. They are all powerful, omnipotent, they don't want hundreds of people calling them names and they can't do anything about it. So they infiltrate and incite from within. None have ever been investigated for it by the courts. Despite evidence. There are actual videos of it and photos. Ferguson, Baltimore, Minneapolis, etc.

Now the fringe right, militia types are joining in for the wrong reasons. They have longed wanted a reason to shoot their guns into crowds, etc,. They talk about it on 4chan and other platforms. The FBI knows this, has infiltrated many of the splinter groups. This can get messy quick if you have both the police, fringe militants and looters inciting. https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/white-supremacist-agitators-want-protests-in-chaos-expert-says-84134469893

Trump threatening by using phrases such as 'when the looting starts, the shooting starts' will end in one big ugly mess and it will end badly for the government at large. It will be 1968 Chicago, Democratic party convention but only much, much bloodier. Much more.

Millennails hate the police and in cities like Salt Lake City, Utah, almost all white, Mormon, conservative and police cars are being turned over https://www.ksl.com/article/46758940/peaceful-protests-take-dangerous-turn-in-salt-lake-city is a sign of the generational war that is secretly being waged. Young people under 30 in America hate the status quo. They see themselves as victimized by the generation before them. The baby boomers especially. They saw Covid 19 differently. They liked the fact they were hardly affected and it killed mostly the elderly. There are videos of them talking about it. They grew up in a screwed up America. For their whole memory, they had 9/11, two, 20 year wars, university loan debt totaling 1.5 trillion dollars, a 2008 recession that took away any chance at good jobs. National debt they will inherit that will be impossible to pay off. A pandemic. The word 'socialism' to them is not a bad word. It's the opposite. And their being in the street is more than the George Floyd being murdered wantonly. It's a protest against everything America is and stands for presently.

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People from outside America may ask why the police can not be reformed. First of all, to be hired, you take a battery of psychological tests and interviews. Your neighbors, work, etc are interviewed. Your group affiliations. Any hint of activism, even something as benign as climate change, will rule you out. They screen out anyone who may buck the system.
They love to hire former military because they have already been indoctrinated into group think. You are instilled with a great amount of nationalism in the American military. I have siblings who are former military, 2 have been in combat zones. Not unusual. America has never gone a decade since WW2 without a foreign conflict. The 1980s was the most peaceful ironically enough given its Reagan's decade. Panama and Grenada were the two conflicts during that time. All the other decades had big protracted wars. 1950s, Korean war. 1960s into the 70s Vietnam war. 1990s Gulf war. 2000s and 20010 Iraq, Afghanistan, minor incursions into Syria, and other places.

Anyway, once you are a candidate you go through an us versus them indoctrination. I have a good friend who is an LA country deputy sheriff. We worked together and he changed careers. Our boss was interviewed by phone about him. I also went to a church for a girlfriend I was dating in LA at one time and 3 LAPD officers were members there. They spoke of their training as well.

People wonder, how can Minneapolis have this issue when the city is known as a liberal city. Democrat mayor, city council all Dems save 1 and the one other is a green party. Why do cities with African American mayors and chiefs of police like Baltimore have issues with cops abusing the ethnic minorities as well as regularly overstepping bounds?

The reason is because the 'good cops'. The ones that some how did not get fully indoctrinated have no power. They are not trusted. They don't get promoted. My friend, the LA county deputy sheriff works alone as a motorcycle traffic cop. He is not trusted.

If a police officer makes it up the chain of command to be chief of police he is already part of the problem. He or she has spent those years exonerating the bad cops. Reformers don't get promoted. Simple as that. The only semblance of reform within a department is Internal Affairs. They are hated. An IA officer, no matter how fair and just, will never be in command of non AI police. He is not trusted. I'll defy anyone to find a former Internal Affairs cop who has become chief. Or even get close.

The police unions are the strongest in America. The Republican party has been successful in destroying unions in America. The Democrats left the unions behind with the election of Bill Clinton in 1992. They changed direction. Yes, the large unions were corrupt and mob run at times. But trade unions are the reason why untold millions of poor European immigrants became working class and middle class. Those union wages built the thousands of city blocks of terraced housing you see all over Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Detroit and smaller cities like Akron, Buffalo, etc. The Irish and Italian immigrants owe their lot to the unions especially. Those homes could not have been afforded were it not for union wages, a more than livable wage. Their children could go university for the first time. The colleges were cheap back then. Solid, affordable colleges like Fordham University in the Bronx. Also a plethora of small, affordable Jesuit universities like St. Josephns and Villanova in Philadelphia. Not affordable before union wages. After WW2 made more affordable with the GI bill.

The Republicans destroyed all of the unions power except 3. Police, Fire department and corrections (Prison) unions. Why? Those unions will vote for them and support them. Those unions will support Democrats locally because the cities of the American north are pretty much Democrat party fortresses. Impenetrable for the most part to Republicans save a few times they make incursions like Guiliani and Bloomberg in NYC but even they were very moderate, pro immigration, both of them. You see more photos of Republican presidential candidates behind police unions and chiefs than you do Democrats. Far more, on a national level. Usually the same for governors.

The police unions are all powerful. The police budget rarely gets cut. If it does its minor. Those unions are protected and preserved.

So, when you hear that some city like Atlanta or Baltimore has a latino or black police chief, either promoted from a deputy chief or brought in from another city, that chief is part of the system. Atlanta had a black woman as chief and still had police abuse cases. Some cities have citizen review boards, but they are neutralized. The cops control the evidence and can get their stories together no matter how outlandish well before the person in question meets the board. Their fellow cops will lie willingly for them to corroborate a story. Dead men tell no tales so the unarmed and now dead suspect moved threateningly. He had no choice.

Until the cities get a non career police officer to be chief and fill in the upper ranks with such persons, there will never be true reform. It's political suicide to have the police union label you anti police in most cases. Also, the police are revenue sources. When NYC mayor DiBlasio criticized the police openly, the police stopped writing tickets and only made felony arrests. The city was losing about 3 million dollars in lost revenue from fines and tickets. https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/tickets-drop-92-week-apparent-nypd-slowdwon-article-1.2066763 Arrests down 56%, tickets drop by 92% last week in apparent NYPD slowdown
They control the city. Not the mayor. The cities are broke. They need the police to tax the citizenry via tickets and fines because there is a breaking point as to how much more sales tax, city taxes, employment taxes, the people will bear.

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One year on....RIP Jose Antonio Reyes.


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I remember the buzz. We didn't know much about him but we just knew he was going to be good for some reason and he made good. One of the hardest shots with no back lift. Not sure what the issue Henry had with him but there was an obvious chill in the air.
I recall him saying he liked talking with Lauren because Lauren could speak in his dialect. And of course the kicking he endured at Old Trafford, which the referees let happen. It shows you how good he was when that was the only they could beat us.

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Just watching highlights of 02/03 season. Jeez we were brilliant.

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Alan Alda was pretty much the only one who had some success post MASH now that I think about it. Wayne Rogers had the 2nd most but marginally. I vaguely remember "Hello Larry". His exit was one of the most touching exits how he left the show. A shot to the gut when he died..oh, sorry, spoiler alert.


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