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Post #501601  Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:33 am 
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We still have it here. The Cerebos plant is fairly near where we live. There are often flamingos on the evaporating pools.

Love these old brands and their tag lines and images. Cerebos used used to make bisto too.

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"Out of the strong came forth sweetness"

Buggered if I could ever figure out what that quote had to do with Golden Syrup or a fly-blown lion!

It's a biblical riddle. Its exact meaning caused quite a bit of angst for the protagonist too.
Judges 14:14 or thereabout.

This one is lovely

Bisto is so called because it "Browns, Seasons and Thickens in One".

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"Out of the strong came forth sweetness"

Buggered if I could ever figure out what that quote had to do with Golden Syrup or a fly-blown lion!


Samson’s riddle from the book of Judges

He killed a lion - some bees made a hive in the carcass.

My dad worked for Tate and Lyle for 40 years. That is a really class label. One of the best.
"Stronger than a lion, and sweeter than honey" indeed.

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Decaf wrote:
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"Out of the strong came forth sweetness"

Buggered if I could ever figure out what that quote had to do with Golden Syrup or a fly-blown lion!

It's a biblical riddle. Its exact meaning caused quite a bit of angst for the protagonist too.
Judges 14:14 or thereabout.

This one is lovely

Bisto is so called because it "Browns, Seasons and Thickens in One".

I'd never heard of Bisto, actually, Decaf - other than as one of Cannon Balls' many adversaries on the forum.

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The Daily Mail is saying Mustafi could be going to Roma on loan, with an option to buy next summer for £23m. The Sun is running the same story.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailym ... -deal.html

With Koscielny already gone, if it happens (which I realise isn’t guaranteed) we do look light in central defence this season. Luiz, Sokratis and Holding when he gets fit will all have to be rested at points, surely. Monreal has played there but in my view has been a left back throughout his career for a good reason. Namely, he’s miles better at left back. Chambers was terrible in central defence for Fulham last season, although was semi-decent at Newcastle in the first game. Mavropanos was so poor in his infrequent games last season. Medley looked much better, but is so young can much be expected of him this season?


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The Daily Mail is saying Mustafi could be going to Roma on loan, with an option to buy next summer for £23m. The Sun is running the same story.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailym ... -deal.html

With Koscielny already gone, if it happens (which I realise isn’t guaranteed) we do look light in central defence this season. Luiz, Sokratis and Holding when he gets fit will all have to be rested at points, surely. Monreal has played there but in my view has been a left back throughout his career for a good reason. Namely, he’s miles better at left back. Chambers was terrible in central defence for Fulham last season, although was semi-decent at Newcastle in the first game. Mavropanos was so poor in his infrequent games last season. Medley looked much better, but is so young can much be expected of him this season?

Presumably Saliba will be in the mix next season, albeit somewhat young and raw.

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The Daily Mail is saying Mustafi could be going to Roma on loan, with an option to buy next summer for £23m. The Sun is running the same story.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailym ... -deal.html

With Koscielny already gone, if it happens (which I realise isn’t guaranteed) we do look light in central defence this season. Luiz, Sokratis and Holding when he gets fit will all have to be rested at points, surely. Monreal has played there but in my view has been a left back throughout his career for a good reason. Namely, he’s miles better at left back. Chambers was terrible in central defence for Fulham last season, although was semi-decent at Newcastle in the first game. Mavropanos was so poor in his infrequent games last season. Medley looked much better, but is so young can much be expected of him this season?

Presumably Saliba will be in the mix next season, albeit somewhat young and raw.

He will be. But we need to get in the top four or win the Europa League this season.


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Very fortunate that the said Epstein is now dead and will never be able to tell us what happened.


Apparently Epstein cremated himself while the medical examiner was on a lunch break.


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He will be. But we need to get in the top four or win the Europa League this season.

Very true. Kind of frustrating. As it stands right now he arrives as Ceballos departs.

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Very fortunate that the said Epstein is now dead and will never be able to tell us what happened.


Apparently Epstein cremated himself while the medical examiner was on a lunch break.

I originally thought it was not a big deal when he apparently suicided. But then the more I read the more I moved to question the whole thing.

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Post #501610  Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:38 pm 
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It's a biblical riddle. Its exact meaning caused quite a bit of angst for the protagonist too.
Judges 14:14 or thereabout.

This one is lovely

Bisto is so called because it "Browns, Seasons and Thickens in One".

I'd never heard of Bisto, actually, Decaf - other than as one of Cannon Balls' many adversaries on the forum.


Yes ... But I recall that bizarrely no one but Cannon could 'see' Bisto's post. Either a figment of Cannon' imagination ... or possibly someone he had argued with on another forum, the pub, in the pension queue, while wondering around looking for Highbury, etc ...

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Importantly we have spurs, Man U and Chelsea all dropping points so far. I can still see us losing to Liverpool so expect us on 6 points after 3 games. Man U and spurs could go to 7 points. Psychologically I think it is important even at this early stage to stay in touch with top 4 rivals.

Or we win at Pool and one of worst defences in Arsenal history goes on for an undefeated season. dream the dream...

Indeed. Psychologically I think it is important even at this early stage to stay in touch with reality.

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I'd never heard of Bisto, actually, Decaf - other than as one of Cannon Balls' many adversaries on the forum.


Yes ... But I recall that bizarrely no one but Cannon could 'see' Bisto's post. Either a figment of Cannon' imagination ... or possibly someone he had argued with on another forum, the pub, in the pension queue, while wondering around looking for Highbury, etc ...

Funnily enough, that's exactly how I remember it. Cannon railing against Bisto was pretty funny. The likelihood that Bisto never existed - well, you just can't put a price on that.

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I wondered what happened to poor ol' Cannon.

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I wondered what happened to poor ol' Cannon.

He was certainly a vivid character, and very funny and even sharp at times ... albeit with a screw or too loose if not completely missing.

Arguments with Cannon had a very well defined trajectory, often ending with him cutting and pasting large chunks of usually completely irrelevant text from some dodgy site or other.
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Nketiah came off the bench for Leeds tonight, he came on at 77 minutes with the score at 0-0, 4 minutes later Eddie has bagged the winner for a 1-0 win. The boy just scored goals


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Or we win at Pool and one of worst defences in Arsenal history goes on for an undefeated season. dream the dream...

Indeed. Psychologically I think it is important even at this early stage to stay in touch with reality.

Then a football forum is not the place for you. Reality is a different place on the internet.

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Indeed. Psychologically I think it is important even at this early stage to stay in touch with reality.

Then a football forum is not the place for you. Reality is a different place on the internet.

While I think that in principle it is important to be realistic, in practice I find it impossible to practice what I preach. So here we are again ... The early signs are good. Maybe our defence, centred around the rock-like Luiz (who turns out not to be the utter disaster waiting to happen we feared) will turn out to be decent. Stranger things have happened.

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Then a football forum is not the place for you. Reality is a different place on the internet.

While I think that in principle it is important to be realistic, in practice I find it impossible to practice what I preach. So here we are again ... The early signs are good. Maybe our defence, centred around the rock-like Luiz (who turns out not to be the utter disaster waiting to happen we feared) will turn out to be decent. Stranger things have happened.

There is more than a little bravado in my posts. I figure I should have at least the first 2 weeks of living in la la land and no doubt will be calling for Emery's head by October.

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Nketiah came off the bench for Leeds tonight, he came on at 77 minutes with the score at 0-0, 4 minutes later Eddie has bagged the winner for a 1-0 win. The boy just scored goals

Sadly it was against Brentford who are one of those teams I have a fondness for , unlike Leeds. When I lived in the UK for a year in the early 80's I was lucky enough to go and see them play on one occasion.

On the other hand when I looked at the table for this league I noticed Stoke were near the bottom. That brought a smile to my face.

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Rich wrote:
Nketiah came off the bench for Leeds tonight, he came on at 77 minutes with the score at 0-0, 4 minutes later Eddie has bagged the winner for a 1-0 win. The boy just scored goals


He comes back next season, and one of Lacazette or Aubameyang will be gone. Or Aubameyang can operate in the wings. Overall, looking very good for the forward line. All 3 of them are effective goal scorers, and have the energy to get past their men.

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Nketiah came off the bench for Leeds tonight, he came on at 77 minutes with the score at 0-0, 4 minutes later Eddie has bagged the winner for a 1-0 win. The boy just scored goals


He comes back next season, and one of Lacazette or Aubameyang will be gone. Or Aubameyang can operate in the wings. Overall, looking very good for the forward line. All 3 of them are effective goal scorers, and have the energy to get past their men.

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Nketiah came off the bench for Leeds tonight, he came on at 77 minutes with the score at 0-0, 4 minutes later Eddie has bagged the winner for a 1-0 win. The boy just scored goals

Sadly it was against Brentford who are one of those teams I have a fondness for , unlike Leeds. When I lived in the UK for a year in the early 80's I was lucky enough to go and see them play on one occasion.

On the other hand when I looked at the table for this league I noticed Stoke were near the bottom. That brought a smile to my face.


Stoke and Middlesborough are 2 teams I hope to see go further down. Boro because Pulis is manager, dislike his style.

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https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/08/2 ... liverpool/

Positive news? Depending on which Özil turns up.
I suspect he will be better charged to perform at his optimum because of the improved personnel around him.

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Sadly it was against Brentford who are one of those teams I have a fondness for , unlike Leeds. When I lived in the UK for a year in the early 80's I was lucky enough to go and see them play on one occasion.

On the other hand when I looked at the table for this league I noticed Stoke were near the bottom. That brought a smile to my face.


Stoke and Middlesborough are 2 teams I hope to see go further down. Boro because Pulis is manager, dislike his style.

I know some on the forum believe that it is not healthy to hold grudges but it still works for me. I understand your mindset.

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Stoke and Middlesborough are 2 teams I hope to see go further down. Boro because Pulis is manager, dislike his style.


I hear ya, I'm not a big Pulis fan either. I despise fat Sam way more than Pulis so I want any Allardyce led team to do badly.
He has personal animus towards Wenger. It was deeply personal to him and its probably because Wenger was a foreign manager who did very well and fat Sam blames him in no small part to the trend at that time to hire foreign managers for top spots (and even lower spots) instead of British managers.

Pulis used brutish methods against us and I agree deserves our negative attitude towards him. Mourinho I hated but since that Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger love in, in Wenger's last season, I am not as anti Mourinho as I was because he showed some sense of humanity...lol...and life/karma, call it what you will, has done a job on him already.

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Frimpong buried himself. Frimpong and before him Pennant, had inflated egos and lacked the maturity early on and created their own issues.

https://www.goal.com/g00/en/news/he-tol ... i10c.dv=16

The former Gunners team-mates were far from friends at the Emirates and their relationship only deteriorated from there
Former Arsenal midfielder Emmanuel Frimpong has accused Samir Nasri of being a bully and declared he'll never respect the Frenchman as a player.

While , Frimpong worked his way through the Gunners youth ranks before making his Premier League debut for the club in 2011.

It was there that he'd rub shoulders with Nasri and the two players very quickly came to dislike one another.

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Sadly it was against Brentford who are one of those teams I have a fondness for , unlike Leeds. When I lived in the UK for a year in the early 80's I was lucky enough to go and see them play on one occasion.

On the other hand when I looked at the table for this league I noticed Stoke were near the bottom. That brought a smile to my face.


Stoke and Middlesborough are 2 teams I hope to see go further down. Boro because Pulis is manager, dislike his style.

Not any more he isn’t - Jonathan Woodgate is Boro manager now

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https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/08/21/mesut-ozil-arsenal-training-ahead-of-liverpool/

Positive news? Depending on which Özil turns up.
I suspect he will be better charged to perform at his optimum because of the improved personnel around him.

I think the key to getting the best out of Özil is having central midfielders who can break the lines and get the ball to him quickly, Özil finds those pockets of spaces between the lines. His best season was with Cazorla deeper finding him and meaning Özil didn’t have to drop deep to get the ball and still have 8 players in front of him and the goal. Could Ceballos be that player? Could Luiz even do this?


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Özil seemed to have worked best in Spain when he didn't have to do much defensive duties. I think he would have flourished with Vieira or any ball winner. Vieira initiated countless goals winning the ball in midfield and getting it to Bergkamp or someone else who had an eye for a pass. After a while, the players could tell when Vieira was about to win the ball and were ready for a break. Seeing him do it in numerous practices and games they had a sense for it.

Özil needs someone like that.

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I think the key to getting the best out of Özil is having central midfielders who can break the lines and get the ball to him quickly, Özil finds those pockets of spaces between the lines. His best season was with Cazorla deeper finding him and meaning Özil didn’t have to drop deep to get the ball and still have 8 players in front of him and the goal. Could Ceballos be that player? Could Luiz even do this?

Central defence is arguably the weakest part of what I consider a generally strong squad. Luiz is quite possibly our best central defender at the moment. I’m thus not sure we should be making central defence even weaker by moving our best central defender into midfield, if that’s what you’re suggesting.


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I'd also see how Caballos and Özil work together.

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No. :icon_rabbit:

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No. :icon_rabbit:

Fair point, LTG, but AG has managed to misspell Cazorla's surname for the greater part of a decade, so I think we probably need to just let this go...

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No. :icon_rabbit:

I think Caballos are a traditional Chilean trouser, as in 'nice pair of Caballos, senor'. I'm sure Daz could confirm.


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I think the key to getting the best out of Özil is having central midfielders who can break the lines and get the ball to him quickly, Özil finds those pockets of spaces between the lines. His best season was with Cazorla deeper finding him and meaning Özil didn’t have to drop deep to get the ball and still have 8 players in front of him and the goal. Could Ceballos be that player? Could Luiz even do this?

Central defence is arguably the weakest part of what I consider a generally strong squad. Luiz is quite possibly our best central defender at the moment. I’m thus not sure we should be making central defence even weaker by moving our best central defender into midfield, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

I have no idea why people keep suggesting this

We have 3 anchoring midfielders in the squad already and playing anymore than 2 of them at any one time unbalances the side. unless there’s an injury crisis of epic proportions it’s not happening.


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I'm worried about a thrashing having to face Liverpool so early. LFC looks like they haven't skipped a beat since last season. I'd like a few more games under our belt where we get a settled XI first and some semblance of an effective system going. But it is what it is.

And then Tottenham as well soon after, Man Utd in a little over a month.

Hoping to see us step up to the challenge. Fingers crossed.

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I think the key to getting the best out of Özil is having central midfielders who can break the lines and get the ball to him quickly, Özil finds those pockets of spaces between the lines. His best season was with Cazorla deeper finding him and meaning Özil didn’t have to drop deep to get the ball and still have 8 players in front of him and the goal. Could Ceballos be that player? Could Luiz even do this?

Central defence is arguably the weakest part of what I consider a generally strong squad. Luiz is quite possibly our best central defender at the moment. I’m thus not sure we should be making central defence even weaker by moving our best central defender into midfield, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

No, I mean a central defender who can step out of the line and play a fast, aggressive pass in to Özil’s feet. No need to move Luiz in the def-mid for him to be able to do this


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Central defence is arguably the weakest part of what I consider a generally strong squad. Luiz is quite possibly our best central defender at the moment. I’m thus not sure we should be making central defence even weaker by moving our best central defender into midfield, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

I have no idea why people keep suggesting this

We have 3 anchoring midfielders in the squad already and playing anymore than 2 of them at any one time unbalances the side. unless there’s an injury crisis of epic proportions it’s not happening.

Probably because he is the best long passer at the club and a better tackler than all of our midfielders. He is needed far more at centre back though. We are in reasonable shape in central midfield.

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I have no idea why people keep suggesting this

We have 3 anchoring midfielders in the squad already and playing anymore than 2 of them at any one time unbalances the side. unless there’s an injury crisis of epic proportions it’s not happening.

Probably because he is the best long passer at the club and a better tackler than all of our midfielders. He is needed far more at centre back though. We are in reasonable shape in central midfield.

He’s a better tackler than Torreira ? Or a better long passer than Xhaka ?

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bromley gooner wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
No. :icon_rabbit:

I think Caballos are a traditional Chilean trouser, as in 'nice pair of Caballos, senor'. I'm sure Daz could confirm.

One should take care. Saying 'nice pair of ****, senor' (insert Spanish word you don't know meaning of) could get you into el conflicto, if not la desgracia.

Caballos actually means horses, according to google, so you won't cause offense in this case (albeit they might consider you off your rocker).

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