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Post #498281  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:53 am 
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...Most of us are willing to be patient as long as we see some improvements. Present frustrations with Emery is a reaction to us dropping 11 points in the last 4 league games. All will be well again when we win tonight and again on 29 May.
Yes, that sad run of results has raised some doubts in my previously open mind. At the start of the season I had no expectation other than a Europa placing, but having been offered fourth so often by our rivals, and then to have whimpered the opportunity away so weakly, it raises questions.

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Post #498282  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 11:38 am 
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I always appreciated his positional and organisational talents. The best defenders are the ones who have to make the fewest challenges because they get into the correct positions. But my point still stands, when did we last have a really top quality defender in our team (Kos accepted).

If you're refusing to acknowledge him while including Koscielny, I won't. My answer is Mertesacker.


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Post #498283  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 11:43 am 
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It will be peak typical Arsenal to be the only English team to take a lead into the 2nd leg......and get knocked out

Its nailed on.

Spurs were fantastic that second half, Llorente just killed them. All Moura's goals were clinically taken. Unfortunately they are a top side with a top manager. Saw them play some great football in the group stage and somehow not get the result.

Liverpool though are on another level. Absolutely outstanding team. One of the best in a premier season ever.

But as Bernard says anything can happen in a final.

Should be a belter.

Moura's goals were all splendidly well taken. Amazing for him to stand up like that.

Liverpool would be my choice to face them in the final. But I have a horrible feeling about this and tonights game.

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Bernard wrote:
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I always appreciated his positional and organisational talents. The best defenders are the ones who have to make the fewest challenges because they get into the correct positions. But my point still stands, when did we last have a really top quality defender in our team (Kos accepted).

If you're refusing to acknowledge him while including Koscielny, I won't. My answer is Mertesacker.

Alright then. Mert and Kos accepted when did we last produce or buy a top quality defender.

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Europa cup semi final and I'm not excited. In fact, not sure I will even watch. Depressing week.

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Post #498286  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 1:27 pm 
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As much as many disliked, or even hated him, if Alexis was still here, Emery would have countered on him so many times already. I put his slide of attitude and desire squarely on the manager who was mismanaging him. Some on here will say the same drum is getting beat. But no, it is simply a fact being stated.

Wenger got the best out of him. Sanchez wanted a bigger contract (understandable) and got one from MU. He has been a shadow of the player he was. I'm glad he's no longer with us.


We see things with a different set of lenses, and that is ok :58big-emoticons:

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Alright then. Mert and Kos accepted when did we last produce or buy a top quality defender.

I'm trying to think if there's been one between Sol Campbell and the two you mention. Gallas was pretty good.


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Bernard wrote:
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Alright then. Mert and Kos accepted when did we last produce or buy a top quality defender.

I'm trying to think if there's been one between Sol Campbell and the two you mention. Gallas was pretty good.

Sagna was pretty good when played as a CB. Monreal not too bad either.


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Bernard wrote:
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Alright then. Mert and Kos accepted when did we last produce or buy a top quality defender.

I'm trying to think if there's been one between Sol Campbell and the two you mention. Gallas was pretty good.
Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.

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Wenger got the best out of him. Sanchez wanted a bigger contract (understandable) and got one from MU. He has been a shadow of the player he was. I'm glad he's no longer with us.


We see things with a different set of lenses, and that is ok :58big-emoticons:


Most of us loved him and wanted him to stay. Except for Rich or Bubblechris or maybe someone else. Was he hated like RvP or Fabregas? I can't remember but I don't think so. Anyway, both us and MU got a bad deal with Mkhitaryan and Sanchez.


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I'm trying to think if there's been one between Sol Campbell and the two you mention. Gallas was pretty good.
Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.

Vermaelen was also very good for a while.

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Anyone got any good links for tonight's game?

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Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.

Vermaelen was also very good for a while.


I had totally forgotten about him. His injuries I suppose made me forget him. But yes he was good until his injuries got the best of him.

I always thought Sagna too short to be a cb. But he was a decent fb. Montreal is definitely a good solid professional. But I was looking for the type of player you build a team around. Someone who can organise and be relied on. And apart from Kos and Mert (and TV4) is there anyone I have missed? Or are we going back as far as Sol, Toure and TA6. I am ignoring Gallas because he was unreliable and not a defensive leader.

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Bernard wrote:
I'm trying to think if there's been one between Sol Campbell and the two you mention. Gallas was pretty good.
Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.


Remember Pascal on the left wing. Was it against Bolton or Blackburn in a cup match?

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Wirral Gooner wrote:
old man of hoy wrote:
Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.


Remember Pascal on the left wing. Was it against Bolton or Blackburn in a cup match?


No it was v man united at home! And we were leading

He subbed pires for pascal on the left que Louis Saha equaliser !!


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Remember Pascal on the left wing. Was it against Bolton or Blackburn in a cup match?


No it was v man united at home! And we were leading

He subbed pires for pascal on the left que Louis Saha equaliser !!

Urgh I hate those sort of subs, particularly if you aren’t exactly getting over run. See it so often. Both teams fairly even, bring off a striker for a defender and that invited the pressure that you need the extra defender for.
I get putting the extra defender on if you are getting battered, but when you’re not why change


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Goonie wrote:
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We see things with a different set of lenses, and that is ok :58big-emoticons:


Most of us loved him and wanted him to stay. Except for Rich or Bubblechris or maybe someone else. Was he hated like RvP or Fabregas? I can't remember but I don't think so. Anyway, both us and MU got a bad deal with Mkhitaryan and Sanchez.

I’d have loved Sanchez to stay, but once it was clear he wasn’t going to sign a new deal, or we couldn’t afford his new deal then we had to find a way to sell him to the highest bidder


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Europa cup semi final and I'm not excited. In fact, not sure I will even watch. Depressing week.

You have my condolences. :angel8:

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Sigh. Here we go. :20hospitals:

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Up against it now. Done by a sharp counter attack.


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Shocking start

There are no ball carriers in this team as Özil wants to lay it off and mix that in with 2x 33 year old centre backs and one youthful 30 year old.

This is on Lacazette and Aubameyang to pull us out of this


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Maitland Niles being badly exposed. Needs help.

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Valencia looking dangerous every time they go forward, they're killing us down our right hand side. Maitland-Niles needs more support.


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Robbie Savage quite right, no cover for Miles who ambled back.

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Counter attack goal conceded yet again.
Sometimes when we play 5 at the back there is not enough control in central midfield. With the pace of this game it feels like one of those times


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Formation is like a 5-2-3, midfield over run, front 3 offer virtually nothing defensively, and a back 5 are getting beaten in wide positions!


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This is on Lacazette and Aubameyang to pull us out of this

They must have heard you. :53big-emoticons:

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Yes!!!!! Aubameyang!! :22encouragement:


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What a finish!!

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Aubameyang doesn’t half miss a lot of big chances

Aubameyang misses tons of chances etc


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Aubameyang 1-1 needed that!


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Yes!!! Aubameyang out of nowhere :21encouragement:


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Formation is like a 5-2-3, midfield over run, front 3 offer virtually nothing defensively, and a back 5 are getting beaten in wide positions!

No midfield to speak off.

Far too easy for Valencia to progress up the field.

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Maitland Niles being badly exposed. Needs help.

He still does.

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Aubameyang doesn’t half miss a lot of big chances

Aubameyang misses tons of chances etc

He's a top class striker.

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Formation is like a 5-2-3, midfield over run, front 3 offer virtually nothing defensively, and a back 5 are getting beaten in wide positions!

No midfield to speak off.

There is literally no midfield.

No ball carriers. Until emery changes this it will be wretched


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dec wrote:
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Aubameyang doesn’t half miss a lot of big chances

Aubameyang misses tons of chances etc

He's a top class striker.

He’s the best striker in the league bar Aguero

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Great goal by Aubameyang but that aside, we've been shite.

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Rodrigo is quality

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