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Post #479841  Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:06 pm 
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The fuhrer is clearly a little bitter ....

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Charlie Nicotine for an extra bit of potency up front.

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Surprised the old man left out the star player, Diego Marajuana.
Surely Danny Morphine is the better option?

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Post #479845  Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:19 pm 
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When it comes to football in England we all know through our own supporter exerience most people north of Watford can't abide Arsenal. For most of living memory we were the biggest and most successful London team and were seen as part of the rich establishment. This got on a lot of northern and midland folks' tits, and still does. We all know this is true by the zeal with which any victory over us is celebrated, or the half-hearted congratulations we get when victorious. Like Australia beating England at cricket, beating Arsenal is much more significant than a sports result. Envy; big time v small time; local pride; tripe and onions v pie and mash or whatever. You can understand why it happens. As time goes by and Chelsea continue to succeed they will probably inherit our role and we will drop back more into the "We beat Tottenham or West Ham, so what?" category. Until then don't be surprised over doubtful decisions by officials who cannot avoid carrying their regional biases into games.

I would like to know why there are no officials from London and the south-east.


What I like most about this piece of insightful analysis is the way you resist any temptations to import your own biases and assumptions into it. Just hard evidence-based reasoning - chapeau, Hoy!

One teeny question, how long does it take this envy transfer to take place? Because by my reckoning Chelsea have won the PL five times since we last did and the ECL once. Is it just that the midlands and the northern folks are a bit slow and therefore late to cotton on to the shift in power relations?


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Ospina
Debuchy, per, holding
Nelson, Willicombe, elneny, amn
Walcott, iwobi
Welbeck

Chambers plus youth on the bench


Pass to Debuchy on the right hand side.


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Daz wrote:
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Ospina
Debuchy, per, holding
Nelson, Willicombe, elneny, amn
Walcott, iwobi
Welbeck

Chambers plus youth on the bench


Pass to Debuchy on the right hand side.

So presumably it's musical youth on the bench with Chambers.


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Daz wrote:
What I like most about this piece of insightful analysis is the way you resist any temptations to import your own biases and assumptions into it. Just hard evidence-based reasoning - chapeau, Hoy!

One teeny question, how long does it take this envy transfer to take place? Because by my reckoning Chelsea have won the PL five times since we last did and the ECL once. Is it just that people from the midlands and the north are a bit slow and therefore late to cotton on to the shift in power relations?
Completely evidence-based. Any Arsenal man who has travelled into the shit-holes of the north and midlands to support our guys will confirm the strength of the hatred of The Arsenal amongst the locals. It is undeniable.

On envy transfer, yes for the supporters of northern and midland teams, Chelsea are probably already the most despised London team due to their success and wealth. Arsenal are still well hated though, not so much these days for envy of their onfield abilities, but mostly due to the ridiculous squealing of a vocal minority of their more entitled, fragile fans. Even the self-pitying Scousers find us absurd in that respect.

On the biases of officials from the provinces it will take a bit longer for them to replace Arsenal with Chelsea simply because they are usually in their 30s/40s before they get to ref in the Premier League. When the current batch were growing up as United, Liverpool, etc. fans Chelsea were but a smallish, unthreatening team who occasionally won a cup. Arsenal were the London team to despise. If the same cock-eyed structure with most officials coming from outside London and the south-east continues unreformed then I reckon by 2030s the bias against Chelsea will become more obvious as the young northern and midland boys of the turn of the millenium reach the age to become Premiership refs.

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Got it. Colour me totally convinced. I think in years to come this piece of social anthropology will take its place alongside Oscar Lewis's "Five Families" and Wilmott and Young's "Family and Kinship in East London".


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Or will you, as usual, stick to ridiculing me and anyone who suggests that we get a raw deal with certain refs without responding to black and white statistical fact (which in this case has the largest sample size possible over my lifetime)


That really isn't why I ridicule you though!

I am more likely to TEASE you for a being a little cockeyed and partial at times plus obsessional based on your in-match comments. Mike Dean is a dick and the WBA penalty was ridiculous as pretty much everybody agreed. *%^@ like that really DOES happen to all teams though whoever the ref on the day happens to be.

Pleased that you agree the penalty was a legitimate decision (I don't say it was the only possible one just that it was neither farcical nor evidence of a conspiracy against us), and I'm still not really sure Hazard's "simulation" was quite as bad as people say given that he WAS kicked. It wasn't a dive really, more an exaggerated effort to ensure the ref penalised what he had clearly seen anyway.


So you don't believe Mike Dean to be biased against us, despite a massive statistical disparity over an 18 years sample size (the largest in several decades) that suggest we not only get less preferential decisions from us on average than every other top flight team, but that also we are proportionally over a 3rd less likely with him in charge?

I think about 1/3rd are pretty good on balance, most are just poor at their jobs compared to their predecessors and that Mike Dean and former refs Dowd and Riley were significantly biased to our detriment, as evidenced by statistical outcomes that are widely divergent from the mean.

Re the Chelsea game, I'm not sure I think Taylor is biased, just very inconsistent, and like most humans would in his situation, is guilty of applying the laws with the path of least resistance. ie is influenced by the hostility of the crowd, and the team and particularly the player involved. The same applies more broadly of course, with the media picking up on Puncheon's BAD tackle on De Bruyne and totally declining to mention worse unpunished tackles from Kane & Alli against the same opponents. (Ironically Kane should have been suspended for the last 2 matches in which he got hat-tricks! - and Alli is a nasty cheating piece of work who dives with remarkable success and only gets bookings for leg breakers - usual shtick though - England Team golden boy, all brushed under the carpet. Bit like why Scholes' international and european disciplinary record was so much worse than domesitcally).

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lomekian wrote:
So you don't believe Mike Dean to be biased against us, despite a massive statistical disparity over an 18 years sample size (the largest in several decades) that suggest we not only get less preferential decisions from us on average than every other top flight team, but that also we are proportionally over a 3rd less likely with him in charge?


Yeah he probably doesn't like us much as I've said elsewhere - my point was simply that he is also a total *%^@ in general. And bad decisions like WBA do happen to all clubs from one ref or another. There is no general bias or conspiracy against Arsenal though.

Your last para is a bit of a stream of consciousness.


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lomekian wrote:
So you don't believe Mike Dean to be biased against us, despite a massive statistical disparity over an 18 years sample size (the largest in several decades) that suggest we not only get less preferential decisions from us on average than every other top flight team, but that also we are proportionally over a 3rd less likely with him in charge?

There's statistical evidence that we get worse results with Dean reffing, not that we get worse results because of poor decisions from Dean. Enormous difference if you want to venture into the realm of statistics.

That's my biggest problem with fans making these sort of arguments (and fans from ALL clubs make them); it's too much conspiracy theory rhetoric and too many bold claims being made without proper support. It reminds me of how truthers look for anything that's even remotely peculiar and then try to cram a completely developed (and made up) theory into that tiny hole.

Basically, if you want to claim that it's strange how we get noticably worse results with Dean that's fair enough. If you then want to claim this is evidence of bias you're making a huge leap from the factual to the made-up. That claim needs further and much more specific evidence.


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Knew that was coming ....


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Another defensive debacle. Nobody following the runner.

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Yay !

1 - 1 - BFG :21encouragement:


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Pathetic. A free kick which is closer than a corner, arsenal leave a forest player with a free run right on top of Ospina who heads in completely unchallenged. The 2 arsenal players in the wall clearly play him onside.

What on earth are arsenal doing. There is no plan, no clue and no accountability for the unacceptable way we defend set pieces.

Now we score a set piece! Per prodding one home 1-1


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Yay !

1 - 1 - BFG :21encouragement:

Nicely finished.

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Pathetic. A free kick which is closer than a corner, arsenal leave a forest player with a free run right on top of Ospina who heads in completely unchallenged. The 2 arsenal players in the wall clearly play him onside.

What on earth are arsenal doing. There is no plan, no clue and no accountability for the unacceptable way we defend set pieces.

Now we score a set piece! Per prodding one home 1-1

I would credit the opposition for a clever set piece myself.

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Jon Moss. Sunderland. Join the dots.

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Ooh should have been 2-1

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Nelson is playing in an advanced position


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Niall wrote:
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Pathetic. A free kick which is closer than a corner, arsenal leave a forest player with a free run right on top of Ospina who heads in completely unchallenged. The 2 arsenal players in the wall clearly play him onside.

What on earth are arsenal doing. There is no plan, no clue and no accountability for the unacceptable way we defend set pieces.

Now we score a set piece! Per prodding one home 1-1

I would credit the opposition for a clever set piece myself.

Surely arsenal should know that with our wall virtually on the deadball line there is basically no offside. So why decide to defend 6 yards out and not track a runner who finishes a yard from goal?
The delivery was excellent though. As was Theo’s free kick for our goal


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Even average championship teams with a striker willing to make runs can drop a ball over the top of our defence for a clear run on goal.


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Ooh should have been 2-1

Well it is now.

And a nice goal at that ...


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2-1 forest, great finish but the defence again just can’t clear their lines. All fat too easy for forest.
Wenger quite simply doesn’t give a damn about the amount of goals we concede, even to average teams, bottom of prem, championship, Europa League fodder. Everyone can score against us very very easily


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Ooh should have been 2-1

Well it is now.

And a nice goal at that ...

Very much deserved, Ospina had kept us in it with a few good saves prior.

Need to drastically improve second half.

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Disappointed you spell it Lichaj because it sounds a bit like Lee High which would make him an obvious candidate for Bromley's Drugs Eleven.


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Niall wrote:
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Well it is now.

And a nice goal at that ...

Very much deserved, Ospina had kept us in it with a few good saves prior.

Need to drastically improve second half.

I thought we looked quite lively going forward, but to the surprise of no one on the planet wide open at the back.


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Wenger can give 2 goals to absolutely anybody.

Any team in England can score 2 goals againest us literally. There are no easy games


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I think I go in to every arsenal game thinking I wouldn’t be surprised at any result, win lose or draw.
Chelsea at home? Could be any result
West Brom away? Same

I think the only arsenal games that don’t shock me are when we go away to a big, big team. Then I know we won’t win and only a draw and loss are available

If we turn up we can beat the best, if we don’t we can lose to the worst.


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Very good goal from Lichaj

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Our tactic of playing without a defence today is not working well so far.


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