But as yet not one with a president suggesting that people should inject disinfectant or somehow subject their lungs to ultraviolet light? Life is stranger than fiction indeed.

I get people don't like Trump but isn't the guy just thinking outside the box and does not deserve the ott criticism for what he said.

The virus, we are told is killed by handwashing, wiping down surfaces with bleach and disinfectant, so doesn't it follow that someone should be able to make a pill say or a tonic that includes some of these items in a way that would not kill or damage us?

Is he really stupid or just asking a question?

Mmmmm.

Please tell us this is a wind up! As such it is excellent.

If not watch this and remember it is the President of the USA talking! Unbelievable. Watch the face of the put on-the-spot Dr! And his response to a reasonable point from a journalist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52411706

What a plonker, what A PLONKER

The Gruniad

Hmmm

Incredible levels of fuckwittery.

This “following the science” spiel is being exposed for the sham it is. Cummings and a student on the panel.

Adebayor being criticized by Togo for not donating to charity for Covid 19.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/didnt-brin ... 44376.html

'I didn't bring coronavirus to Togo' – Adebayor will not be donating to his homeland

Awful interpretation of what is written. He attended, so did the tealady, doesn't mean he took part does it?

So sad how much misrepresentation of the facts is being pedalled........

What is your premise, Chris? Are you implying that the sole reason people don't like Trump is because of some pre-existing agenda and that all of the criticism against him is motivated by this bias rather than what people see with their own eyes?

While US politics is undoubtedly and increasingly polarised (some on the supposed Left are very silly and even turn up their noses at Sanders and AOC as 'not radical enough'; a disturbing number on the right seem to support Trump absolutely unconditionally), but ...

I'd bet a large proportion of Americans are not particularly ideological and are open to persuasion and the evidence before their eyes. They don't feel the need to find fault in everything Trump does or defend him no matter what he does, how blatantly he contradicts himself and lies, etc..

In this case, suggesting injecting disinfectant and subjecting lungs to ultraviolet is not thinking out of the box it is just stupid. The fact that it popped into his head at all suggest a worrying level of ignorance and willingness to reach for ideas that fit his narrative. Furthermore, the impulsiveness is insane. If you or I has a 'bright idea' we would consider it irresponsible not to do a bit of checking, thinking it through, etc, before airing or implementing ... because we know from bitter experience that what seem like 'bright ideas' when they pop into our heads are sometimes actually very stupid. In this case, breathtakingly so.

He is not a scientist, he is a eugenist who supported a herd immunity policy. You want medical experts present to feed the best possible advice to the government, not a spin Doctor with a particular distorted political agenda. Even David Davis of the Tories is saying it’s wrong and he could easily be feeding false info to the government.

You’re interpretation of things is bizarre. Over the last week you’ve said it’s ok for Boris to not attend Cobra meetings as PM when he clearly should considering every other PM has, then say it’s ok for a crank advisor to attend Sage meetings. It’s almost as if you’re making this up as you go along. And as for the Trump post!!! #barking

Mate don’t even go there! he’s the worst troll the forum has had since USM and all he does is peddle offensive opinion or outright stupidity and is actually very proud of it.

What he’s doing is the equivalent of getting a tube to bank station and walking round royal exchange naked except wearing a sandwich board that’s says “ I’m a complete helmet what’s your problem”

If this leads us one step closer to Mustafi having to buy an Arsenal shirt at the gift shop as the only way he'll be in one, then I'm all for it.

https://arsenal.news/2020/04/22/amir-rr ... -defender/
Amir Rrahmani’s agent confirms Arsenal interest in defender

Wow.

Ah. So Chris is one massive wind up merchant with everything he’s posted. Surely that’s the only explanation??

Trump is our Prince Philip, he's a geriatric and should be treated as one. The fact that he is also the most powerful man in the world scares the shite out of me but millions voted for him and still believe in him.

He is the PM's political analyst and was there as an observer I presume not a frickin scientist. He was given the job and had every right to be there.

Why can't you just accept that not everybody thinks the same as you do ffs why do you think you are always right and can preach your message without a response.

This is a forum it is for people to discuss different opinions. Do you know what discuss means?

TG no one trolls like a real troll ie like you.

REMEMBER FOLKS THIS IS A FORUM.....................

But the tealady, like the chief medical officers and chief scientific advisers of the devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, wasn't allowed to ask questions.

Unlike Cummings and Warner, who certainly could have exerted influence and undermined the independence of the body.

And ... just because the Guardian says it doesn't make it untrue. Just because Fox and the Daily Mail say something doesn't make it true. And vice versa.

So why don't you address the points the article raises?
Such as: that they were not just there as observers, and that this was irregular, as even on of Theresa May's lads indicates.
and
"Several members on Sage, as well as scientists on its advisory subcommittees, are known to be frustrated at what they view as a culture of secrecy that risks straining public trust in the government’s response to Covid-19.

Since the outbreak, ministers have stuck to the script that their policies are guided by scientific advice, while declining to reveal where the advice is coming from or what exactly it contains."

Sounds a bit dodgy doesn't it?

You’ve been sussed out. Look at the comments from everyone.

You say a combination of insensitive or downright stupid nonsense and ignore folks when it’s called out. On top of that I don’t even think you like Arsenal.

You know looking back when spencer got booted you could forgive him a bit at the end of the day he was a younger guy and didn’t know he was talking offensive nonsense. What’s your excuse.

He is an idiot

The British sides did well in Europe in the old days, eh? Arsenal vs. Anderlecht, 1970, Friars cup. The recording is old but you can sense Highbury is packed solid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6N-YPAdxw0&t=17s

I had no idea we had beaten Liverpool the way to the '80 cup final. We were in 3 straight cup finals and lost the 2 easiest ones and won the one that was the hardest. Trying figure that out. ??

The one thing that makes me not wish I was around in those days from the videos I posted is the rise in hooliganism at the matches.
At the pub I watched matches in LA long ago, the Brit pensioners (mostly) who spoke of those days with smiles and laughter told of some crazy stories.
Mind you, they thought my shock was ironic seeing that I lived in a city notorious for gangs like the Crips and Bloods and various other Latino gangs we heard of shootings almost daily.
Still, it sounded crazy to me. Plus, I'm a lover not a fighter.

There were all sorts of fans in that pub. The stories got crazier the smaller the clubs were. You literally tried not to talk to anyone unnecessarily or they will hear your accent. How other hooligan groups would ask you if you had a lighter to hear your accent if they suspected you were the opposing support. Crazy!

If they exerted influence, if he asked a question, why didn't they say so, what was stopping them actually reporting what was said? It is nothing but conjecture and obfuscation in an attempt to weaken the Governments position.

Do you really believe everything the Guardian or any rag says because they said it because that's what comes across.

The article raises several points that they appear to have made up. However the ones I can attempt to undermine are: May did not have covid19 and was not unable to attend because she was sick. Several members, name them if they exist? Read that sentence again 'they' are accusing the attendees of possibly straining public trust in the Government's response' wtf would they want to do that?

The only thing that sounds dodgy is your and the Guardian's interpretation of what goes on at the meetings. That is what is dodgy not their attendance.

If the minutes are ever published and I am proved wrong I will apologise till then it is you and your buddies that should shut up and stop undermining the work of the committee.

You do realise that these are virtual meetings nad someone could easily have recorded what was being said which makes it even more questionable that there were any undue influences made. It is just misleading fake news and that atm is true.

So a handful of everyone on the forum is proof I have been sussed. Schoolboy bullying antics.

I don't like Arsenal? Hah I don't like anything you say possibly more true, are you still saying I was wrong about Sanchez and that it was not me that first pointed out we were missing Cazorla?

You should be booted not me. At least I don't pop in say something stupid and refuse to respond. I back up everything I say unlike you and am more right than wrong than you are.

You have no idea of how bureaucracy and power work. Powerful people throwing their weight around in secret committee meetings are unlikely to be called out--because confronting powerful people and breaching secrecy is very scary--and can be very bad for one's career. That's why there are rules against political interference in committee like this. In this case, people do seem to have spoken out although it is not clear whether it is anonymous.

You would also have more credibility if you didn't try to defend Trump and call the Guardian fake news. For the latter, stick to specifics.

If you aren't concerned about credibility and trying to actually engage with people who do have different views, why bother?

Finally, there was a reference in the article to one of May's lieutenants' views on proper procedure. There was nothing about May getting Covid!

Because it’s an attempt to become the forums Katie Hopkins. Throw out stupid nonsense to get attention.

Btw did anyone see her terrible comments about the NHS yesterday. Vile creature

Against Ipswich in the first final we were overwhelming favourites. They were going through a bit of a slump and were in the lower half of the league whilst we were having a decent season and in the top ten. A lot was made of their injuries leading up to the final. What wasn't well known is that Brady, Macdonald and Hudson were not fully fit. And so it proved on the day. All three were pretty much anonymous. Any team would have struggled too if the creative midfielders and striker went missing in action. Ipswich for their part had some very good players, Beattie, Mariner,Talbot and so on. A top manager in Bobby Robson as well. Sammy Nelson who was our left back was kept quiet as he was seen as a provider of goals with his crosses. We just never got going and they were all over us like a rash. How it was only 0-1 in the end I'll never know.

The United final is well documented and think we went in as slight favourites. Utd weren't quite that big a force at the time. Not title challengers but still had a strong team. We were so determined to make up for the previous year. What a difference a fully fit Brady made. He was in his element. We took our foot off the gas in the second half and we nearly so paid the price. I just think sheer bloody mindness got that winning goal.

If I was to cut them some slack going into the '80 final then we were spent after that marathon semi against Liverpool. Playing in Europe as well took it's toll. West Ham may have been a second division (as was) team but they had first division players in Brooking, Pearson, Cross, Bonds, Lampard, Parkes etc. The gap between the top two divisions wasn't so great then. On a tactical level, John Lyall got the better of Terry Neill. He withdrew Pearson who was a striker into a midfield role and just left Cross up top. We weren't sure who should be marking who. We had chances but after doing all the hard work in the semi it was such an anti climax. Probably more disappointing than the '78 final for me. Then we went onto lose against Valencia in the Cup Winners Cup Final a few days later just to put the icing on the cake. Middlesbrough thumped us 5-0 to crush any hopes of UEFA Cup qualification. If memory serves, we played more games in that season than any other first division team at the time. We were done in both physically and mentally.

MOTD has become the Ian Wright show. Shearer on a zoom call isn’t much fun. Wrighty is however a good laugh

Some excellent perspective and context there Richie. Thanks. Still, its painful after the fact. I'm thoroughly enjoying looking at old matches. Not just Arsenal ones but others. The lockdown has provided the time to delve into them.

I asked another forum member privately, who shall not be named...haha..and he said it was a great 3 years because what club makes it to 3 straight FA Cup finals? A good point. We were seen as a 'cup team' to some extent after that it was said.

If I'm not mistaken while watching one of the videos, the commentator said we had a winning record against Man Utd for a large part of the '70s.

I saw a video on the Man Utd vs Leeds rivalry that was pretty good as well. Anyway, thanks again.

This is a brilliant composition. I’ve always loved this,

Growing up as a kid we didn’t have too much money so my old man moved us up to the midlands for a while away from London for certain reasons which obviously meant some long journeys to and from home games. Strong memories of this coming on the radio after a game in the car DER DER DER DAD DA DA

I couldn’t even tell you if it’s still used today.

Never heard of her before

Kim Jung Un is rumoured to be dead or incapacitated. If he's dead, what's your guess on what happens next?