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He wrote a brilliant book many years ago - 'Diary of a Rock 'n Roll Star'. Highly recommended - well, by me anyway.

Donald Trump wrote a book also - The Art of the Deal.

It had 6 Chapter 11's in it though.


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Trump just said he wants the NHS

I’d like to congratulate the gurning thicko Brexit types and like to ask how your going to negotiate that one lads.


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Trump just said he wants the NHS

I’d like to congratulate the gurning thicko Brexit types and like to ask how your going to negotiate that one lads.

Biggest con ever pulled on the electorate. This was ALWAYS about the real elite getting their hands on protected assets to make money. Murdoch and his ilk can't die soon enough. Evil *%^@ers.

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Trump just said he wants the NHS

I’d like to congratulate the gurning thicko Brexit types and like to ask how your going to negotiate that one lads.

Biggest con ever pulled on the electorate. This was ALWAYS about the real elite getting their hands on protected assets to make money. Murdoch and his ilk can't die soon enough. Evil *%^@ers.


So today Trump gives interviews to The Sun and Times. Theresa May calls questions only from Sky and the Times. Who is running the show in this country. It’s obvious now.

Can somebody explain how we are going to negotiate any trade deal more preferably now that we are negotiating for tiny fraction of what existed before. Simple answer is we can’t, we get taken to the cleaners on any new deal we do. The chlorinated chicken, NHS stuff are just small examples of what will happen

And despite everything, when everything is stripped and sold off, everything is worse, when our currency has dropped another 12% off it’s value like it has already .... you will still get the dribbling crayon eating helmets saying we won our freedom back blah blah blah.


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I wonder if any of the major European drug companies and hospital suppliers are making much money out of the massive NHS procurement programme? Answer on an NHS prescription please.

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I wonder if any of the major European drug companies and hospital suppliers are making much money out of the massive NHS procurement programme? Answer on an NHS prescription please.

Absolutely that’s the next thing, Trump has already said the drugs need to be more expensive for the NHS as due to buying in bulk we get better net prices though a socialised system and it’s unfair.

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So Nigel Farage who led the Brexit campaign largely on a slogan that the NHS would gain an extra £350M per week, is saying how much Trump loves Brexit. This after Trump announced any US trade talks must involve the NHS.....


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So Nigel Farage who led the Brexit campaign largely on a slogan that the NHS would gain an extra £350M per week, is saying how much Trump loves Brexit. This after Trump announced any US trade talks must involve the NHS.....

Are you shocked ?

This is the same Farage who said we needed an insurance based healthcare system and that our handgun laws need to be relaxed !


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Seems some rumours are going around the Swiss camp that Xhaka is being sold to inter Milan.


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Seems some rumours are going around the Swiss camp that Xhaka is being sold to inter Milan.

I can pay my own way over to help him pack. Then nip around to Mustafis and give him similar assistance. The only problem I have is who we get to replace Xhaka. I know what I want - someone who is good defensively, reasonably consistent and has a bit of pace. So maybe we are stuck with him.

Some of our players who lack pace would do okay in Italy where the game is slower.

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I wonder if any of the major European drug companies and hospital suppliers are making much money out of the massive NHS procurement programme? Answer on an NHS prescription please.

Absolutely that’s the next thing, Trump has already said the drugs need to be more expensive for the NHS as due to buying in bulk we get better net prices though a socialised system and it’s unfair.

Hiding to nothing

If anyone thinks the Americans will make your medication cheaper you have to be delusional. It is interesting that the US values the UK and Aus relationships and how we run off to support them in 'the war against terror and weapons of mass destruction' but do we get discounts on military hardware etc - no. We never get any preferential treatment. The whole thing is all about making Americans richer at the expense of our own taxpayers.

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Not sure if Koscielny will stay or go this summer. He only has 12 months left on his deal and is 33. For someone of his age and with his injury history we can’t expect much of a fee so I think it would make sense to keep him for his final 12 months and aim for maybe 15 starts for him next season. Similar to how City were with Kompany this season.
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I read an article about how Emery’s Arsenal rely a lot on the full backs of wing backs for the creativity, which is strange because our in set of full backs not one of them can cross the ball and not one of them can dribble at and beat a man


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Donald Trump wrote a book also - The Art of the Deal.

It had 6 Chapter 11's in it though.

What !!??

Nothing ? - No one ?
AG - you didn't get that one ? :12hello-bye:


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Rich wrote:
Not sure if Koscielny will stay or go this summer. He only has 12 months left on his deal and is 33. For someone of his age and with his injury history we can’t expect much of a fee so I think it would make sense to keep him for his final 12 months and aim for maybe 15 starts for him next season. Similar to how City were with Kompany this season.
If we sold him for £5m who are we getting that would give us the same?

I think he may well stay another season. But if he does I'd be concerned if he makes fifteen starts against anyone semi-decent.


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I read an article about how Emery’s Arsenal rely a lot on the full backs of wing backs for the creativity, which is strange because our in set of full backs not one of them can cross the ball and not one of them can dribble at and beat a man


This is purely because Emery doesn’t trust Kolasinac to track back and our centre halves without Holding lack pace.

It ain’t a strategy, it’s Hobson’s choice


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Not sure if Koscielny will stay or go this summer. He only has 12 months left on his deal and is 33. For someone of his age and with his injury history we can’t expect much of a fee so I think it would make sense to keep him for his final 12 months and aim for maybe 15 starts for him next season. Similar to how City were with Kompany this season.
If we sold him for £5m who are we getting that would give us the same?

I think he may well stay another season. But if he does I'd be concerned if he makes fifteen starts against anyone semi-decent.


I have a feeling he will go,

At this point It makes more sense to sign a new teenage centre half for 10 million (upson type transfer) and ask him to play 10 games a year than pay Kos another 7 million in wages.

We just have to look to the future now and rebuild and create a project the fans can get behind.

Have a feeling Monreal, Kos and Lichtensteiner will all go and Xhaka is being linked to a move away which I totally get and we just know that Emery would consider offers for Mustafi, Özil and Mhikitaryan. You could potentially look at a real changing of the guard.


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warrior wrote:
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Donald Trump wrote a book also - The Art of the Deal.

It had 6 Chapter 11's in it though.

What !!??

Nothing ? - No one ?
AG - you didn't get that one ? :12hello-bye:

It took me a while, Rog, but I got there. Your subtle Aussie sense of humour is the problem here.

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I think he may well stay another season. But if he does I'd be concerned if he makes fifteen starts against anyone semi-decent.


I have a feeling he will go,

At this point It makes more sense to sign a new teenage centre half for 10 million (upson type transfer) and ask him to play 10 games a year than pay Kos another 7 million in wages.

We just have to look to the future now and rebuild and create a project the fans can get behind.

Have a feeling Monreal, Kos and Lichtensteiner will all go and Xhaka is being linked to a move away which I totally get and we just know that Emery would consider offers for Mustafi, Özil and Mhikitaryan. You could potentially look at a real changing of the guard.

If we can get that lot out of the door (with a nod of respect to Kos and Monreal) plus Elneny that would be a very good summer. We'd need to bring a few new faces in mind you. We should be looking at the Championship. Some good players there. Liverpool picked up Robertson from Hull for £8m!


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I've always been a fan of boxing having grown up in a city known in America for boxing. There is a reason the Rocky movies are based on a Philadelphian.
I was watching some old fights on YouTube and came acroos Ali vs Henry Cooper 2. The commentator said 46,000 fans packed into Arsenal Stadium.
Did any if you watch it? At that as you older guys know, Cooper was the first man to knock Ali down and some say 1 punch away from winning.
As an aside I always felt badly for Joe Frazier. Imagine Ali being more popular than you are in your own neighborhood?

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Trump just said he wants the NHS

I’d like to congratulate the gurning thicko Brexit types and like to ask how your going to negotiate that one lads.

Out of the frying pan and into the Trump ogre swamp. Comical.

Did May stay on just to deny her successor the chance of basking in Trump's orange glow? :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

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Donald Trump wrote a book also - The Art of the Deal.

It had 6 Chapter 11's in it though.

What !!??

Nothing ? - No one ?
AG - you didn't get that one ? :12hello-bye:


Just came across your post. Very witty. I still refuse to use the title and his name together.

His election exposes the real underbelly if America that gives credence to every single criticism of America.

Trump is just the result...the scary thing is the 45% or so that will support him "uber alles" ..even the rule of law. Both parties are bad but the Republicans have had members with a fascist side to them. What is never, ever discused is that even with irrefutable evidence to obstruction and other illegalities there were still some Republicans still willing to vote Nixon innocent of all charges. Not enough ti stave off impeachment. Point being it would not have been a unanimous vote.

What we are witnessing in his election is the clear beginning of the end of a once regarded constitutional Republic.

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warrior wrote:
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He wrote a brilliant book many years ago - 'Diary of a Rock 'n Roll Star'. Highly recommended - well, by me anyway.

Donald Trump wrote a book also - The Art of the Deal.

It had 6 Chapter 11's in it though.

:laughing7: :laughing7:
He didn't write it actually. It was ghost written and the writer says Trump's attention span didn't allow him to be properly interviewed. So he made most of it up.

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I've always been a fan of boxing having grown up in a city known in America for boxing. There is a reason the Rocky movies are based on a Philadelphian.
I was watching some old fights on YouTube and came acroos Ali vs Henry Cooper 2. The commentator said 46,000 fans packed into Arsenal Stadium.
Did any if you watch it? At that as you older guys know, Cooper was the first man to knock Ali down and some say 1 punch away from winning.


It wasnt one punch

Angelo Dundee famously used smelling salts on Ali after he got knocked down which was banned back then, then used a razor to slit his glove meaning it need relacing buying Ali time.

Our henry would’ve knawked his bleeding head orrf!


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I have a feeling he will go,

At this point It makes more sense to sign a new teenage centre half for 10 million (upson type transfer) and ask him to play 10 games a year than pay Kos another 7 million in wages.

We just have to look to the future now and rebuild and create a project the fans can get behind.

Have a feeling Monreal, Kos and Lichtensteiner will all go and Xhaka is being linked to a move away which I totally get and we just know that Emery would consider offers for Mustafi, Özil and Mhikitaryan. You could potentially look at a real changing of the guard.

If we can get that lot out of the door (with a nod of respect to Kos and Monreal) plus Elneny that would be a very good summer. We'd need to bring a few new faces in mind you. We should be looking at the Championship. Some good players there. Liverpool picked up Robertson from Hull for £8m!


Kolasinac is being linked with a 20 million pound move to Barca today

SELL THEM ALL!!! I have no attachment to any of them except Bellerin, Leno and holding


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...I was watching some old fights on YouTube and came acroos Ali vs Henry Cooper 2. The commentator said 46,000 fans packed into Arsenal Stadium. Did any if you watch it?
Hi AG - you'll enjoy this action from Cooper v Clay 1963. Debunks a few myths. Have to say Henry gave it a real go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hwn2mqNI1I

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I think I am right in saying that as far as TV was concerned the 1966 Cooper-Ali world championship fight at Highbury was on a pay-for-view basis, and that the nation's main broadcaster, BBC TV, did not show it live. It was on BBC radio. So, unlike the famous '63 non-title bout which was televised live from Wembley, comparatively few people saw the title bout. Henry gave another good account of himself before, as Mr. Speaker would say, the eyes had it.

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I've always been a fan of boxing having grown up in a city known in America for boxing. There is a reason the Rocky movies are based on a Philadelphian.
I was watching some old fights on YouTube and came acroos Ali vs Henry Cooper 2. The commentator said 46,000 fans packed into Arsenal Stadium.
Did any if you watch it? At that as you older guys know, Cooper was the first man to knock Ali down and some say 1 punch away from winning.


It wasnt one punch



It was a single punch actually TG but it was at the Wembley fight.

A cracking left 'ook known as 'Enery's 'Ammer.


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Yep Henry Cooper was a different class of sportsman In the 60s, back in those days it was more about pride and respect than money.

All of London was different in the 60s to be fair, the city was much safer back then because the Kray twins ruled the manor and were villains but with hearts of gold unlike the lunatics and animals that are around today.

They would do stuff like walk old lady’s across the road at Bethnal Green and slip 20 bob in their purse when they weren’t looking, Ron would knock your teeth out with one hand whilst buying you a light ale with the other. Tough men but with morals and respect.

Nowadays all the respect and pride is no more.


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old man of hoy wrote:
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...I was watching some old fights on YouTube and came acroos Ali vs Henry Cooper 2. The commentator said 46,000 fans packed into Arsenal Stadium. Did any if you watch it?
Hi AG - you'll enjoy this action from Cooper v Clay 1963. Debunks a few myths. Have to say Henry gave it a real go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hwn2mqNI1I


Thanks for this Old Man, but to be clear, that's the first fight at Wemberlee. The clip also debunks the myth of the split glove. If you time the interval, it's maybe second or two over the minute, so no hold-up at all.

I was at the later Highbury fight, standing on the North Bank with my old man. My abiding memory is that I couldn't see a bloody thing. Ring was on the centre spot, where you'd expect but there were no big screens or commentary so for most of the audience, we only had the barest of notions on how the fight was going. When 'Enery got cut, the news rippled back through the crowd a minute or two later. News paper photos showed Coopers face to be a mask of blood but dimly lit and 80-90m away, we had no idea.

Cooper was bloody good but he cut too easily and was too light to be truly competitive. He generally fought at about 13st 7lbs whereas Ali was well over 15st when they fought the second time. Today's heavyweights are 17st upwards.

I met him a few times as he delivered to the green grocery stands in the area. Seemed massive to me - and very scary/ugly! Always happy to chat though.


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Thanks omoh and DHD for adding a bit more perspective as well as the link omoh.

My father said people didnt really warm to Ali until Foreman. Even Blacks in America didnt, especially the older generation with Ali being a Muslim and the country decidedly Christian.

The late 60s into most of the 70s has to be the toughest era ever for heavyqeight boxers in terms of the breadth of quality. The light heavyweights weren't bad either (Foster and others).

Cooper seemed solid. As noted, he bled easily but he still had a lot of fight in him. I wiki him and was glad to read he got a peerage and seemed a good man.

Any view of Joshua? Especially that shock loss? Wilder is all athleticism and no skill it seems.

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...also Cooper was Lambeth boy. I wonder what club he supported?

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Donald Trump wrote a book also - The Art of the Deal.

It had 6 Chapter 11's in it though.


For those unaware, in the US, a 'Chapter 11' is a form of bankruptcy.


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For those who may not have seen this from AST. A ban on a live Saturday, 3 pm broadcast not a good idea.

https://www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/news/ ... uperLeague

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Donald Trump wrote a book also - The Art of the Deal.

It had 6 Chapter 11's in it though.


For those unaware, in the US, a 'Chapter 11' is a form of bankruptcy.


Enrol me in the Unaware Club please, Rog. I suspect there’d be quite a few of us.


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Thanks omoh and DHD for adding a bit more perspective as well as the link omoh.

My father said people didnt really warm to Ali until Foreman. Even Blacks in America didnt, especially the older generation with Ali being a Muslim and the country decidedly Christian.

The late 60s into most of the 70s has to be the toughest era ever for heavyqeight boxers in terms of the breadth of quality. The light heavyweights weren't bad either (Foster and others).

Cooper seemed solid. As noted, he bled easily but he still had a lot of fight in him. I wiki him and was glad to read he got a peerage and seemed a good man.

Any view of Joshua? Especially that shock loss? Wilder is all athleticism and no skill it seems.


Right from his first introduction, Ali was remarkably popular over here. Always. On a personal level, he has been my idol since I don’t know when. Has nothing to do with seeing him either. Broke my heart when he lost to Frazier - couldn’t believe it and took ages to get over it.

Cooper got knighted; he became a Sir. He wasn’t ‘elevated’ to the peerage; he never became a Lord.


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warrior wrote:
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He wrote a brilliant book many years ago - 'Diary of a Rock 'n Roll Star'. Highly recommended - well, by me anyway.

Donald Trump wrote a book also - The Art of the Deal.

It had 6 Chapter 11's in it though.

Wooosh!!! Was the sound of that as it whizzed over my head.

Thanks for the subsequent explanation.

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Right from his first introduction, Ali was remarkably popular over here. Always. On a personal level, he has been my idol since I don’t know when. Has nothing to do with seeing him either. Broke my heart when he lost to Frazier - couldn’t believe it and took ages to get over it.



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Right from his first introduction, Ali was remarkably popular over here. Always. On a personal level, he has been my idol since I don’t know when. Has nothing to do with seeing him either. Broke my heart when he lost to Frazier - couldn’t believe it and took ages to get over it.



NOOOOOOOOO......


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Thanks. I forgot knighthood doesnt automatically mean you are a lord...just veing calked 'Sir'right? Not 'lord'?

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