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Post #498241  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 5:24 am 
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Amazing that both spurs and Liverpool were 1 kick from being knocked out in the group stage.
Liverpool beat Napoli at home but napoli has an amazing chance at the death that Alison saved which would have knocked them out. Liverpool lost all 3 awayganes in the group.
Spurs needed to win their 4th group game to stay in, Kane scored a 89th minute winner, they then got an 80th minute winner in their next game and due to the luck of the fixture calendar got to play a Barcelona B team and equalised in the 85th minute to go through on away goals in the head to head with Inter.

Great teams no doubt, but there have been plenty of moments that were totally out of their control where they got lucky. All cup runs need luck


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Hope everybody that continued to want Wenger to get another year after year is happy.

Also lack of money no excuse- Poch spent 0 this season.


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Hope everybody that continued to want Wenger to get another year after year is happy.

Also lack of money no excuse- Poch spent 0 this season.

Well I wanted him gone and I would rather someone try to rebuild the wreckage your hero left, than have Wenger run the club further into the ground by purchasing overrated and ineffectual players for silly sums, agree to pay Özil 350k, and have a socialist wage system that means we cannot offload many of our passengers.

Would I go back to Wenger? I have a colonoscopy every couple of years for health reason - I would prefer that than have Wenger back.

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Post #498244  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:25 am 
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Amazing that both spurs and Liverpool were 1 kick from being knocked out in the group stage.
Liverpool beat Napoli at home but napoli has an amazing chance at the death that Alison saved which would have knocked them out. Liverpool lost all 3 awayganes in the group.
Spurs needed to win their 4th group game to stay in, Kane scored a 89th minute winner, they then got an 80th minute winner in their next game and due to the luck of the fixture calendar got to play a Barcelona B team and equalised in the 85th minute to go through on away goals in the head to head with Inter.

Great teams no doubt, but there have been plenty of moments that were totally out of their control where they got lucky. All cup runs need luck


True, but we made our own luck. Sadly, the bad one.

For too many seasons, we have had opportunities to make things happen for ourselves. But, we decided to stroll through a game, thinking we will waltz a win. But, too many times, it did not end well for us. We have too many players who think they can play with panache. And when they lose the ball, their panic leads to disastrous response.

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Post #498245  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:25 am 
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If we could make a deal, I'd love to get Coutinho.

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Seriously?
Even if Barca took a 50% hit on what they bought him for he’d be twice our summer budget.
Liverpool struck absolute gold when they sold him, a perfect storm of Barca feeling slighted at losing Neymar and needing to make a statement, they probably watched a YouTube clip of Coutinho’s long range wonder strikes and bought him - forgetting the multiple shots he has that end up in row z or kill promising attacks.
Absolutely no way should we be signing Coutinho


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Post #498246  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:31 am 
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gooner7 wrote:
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Amazing that both spurs and Liverpool were 1 kick from being knocked out in the group stage.
Liverpool beat Napoli at home but napoli has an amazing chance at the death that Alison saved which would have knocked them out. Liverpool lost all 3 awayganes in the group.
Spurs needed to win their 4th group game to stay in, Kane scored a 89th minute winner, they then got an 80th minute winner in their next game and due to the luck of the fixture calendar got to play a Barcelona B team and equalised in the 85th minute to go through on away goals in the head to head with Inter.

Great teams no doubt, but there have been plenty of moments that were totally out of their control where they got lucky. All cup runs need luck


True, but we made our own luck. Sadly, the bad one.

For too many seasons, we have had opportunities to make things happen for ourselves. But, we decided to stroll through a game, thinking we will waltz a win. But, too many times, it did not end well for us. We have too many players who think they can play with panache. And when they lose the ball, their panic leads to disastrous response.

Agreed. Luck tends to favour those who work hard and keep going at 100% right to the end.


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Post #498247  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:39 am 
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Hate to say it but we are miles away from Liverpool and Spurs. Many many miles.
Superb managers motivating good to great players.


We are definitely in the wilderness.

I was thinking that if I wanted to build a team to win a title then how many of the current side would I want to keep.

I reckon the keeper (probably), Aubameyang, Lacazette (definitely) and Guendouzi, Torreira and AMN (for their potential).

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Post #498248  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:40 am 
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Seeing Liverpool and spurs make the champions league final only serves to put our failings in to sharper contrast. Those two are in the group of 3 with ourselves as big clubs but clubs without the infinite resources of city, Chelsea and Man U - the other 3 to make up the top 6.

For years we surrendered to the fact we couldn’t compete with those well resources clubs. If ever there was a sport that shows how a manager, team, tactics, attitude can overcome millions of pounds it is football. We effectively went in to seasons by tying our own arm behind our back.

Liverpool and spurs are in their 4th year of journeys with their managers. Neither came in off the back of a 20+ year dynasty like arsenal and Man U had.

And look at Ajax as well! Incredible. They’ll get picked off but the vision and philosophy is clear. All with a wage bill that must be 1/6th of ours.

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Post #498249  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:42 am 
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socrates wrote:
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Hate to say it but we are miles away from Liverpool and Spurs. Many many miles.
Superb managers motivating good to great players.


We are definitely in the wilderness.

I was thinking that if I wanted to build a team to win a title then how many of the current side would I want to keep.

I reckon the keeper probably, Aubameyang, Lacazette and Guendouzi, Torreira and AMN (for their potential).

That's about it.

And Bellerin.
So we need 2 CB, a left back, 2 wingers/creatives just for a decent first 11. Then we probably need a further 8-9 top quality players to build a good squad.


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Before Kos who was the last truly world class defender we have bought on the transfer market or developed ourselves?

And Bernard you cannot count Mert as he was on the wane when he came to us. Though the defence always seemed a bit more secure when he played with Kos.

Mertesacker was 26 when he joined us. If you won't call him world class, I don't think you can call Koscielny world class. I firmly believe that Mertesacker turned Koscielny into the player he became. The latter's first season was ordinary to okay but wasn't great. Mertesacker arrives and Koscielny improved massively. Since Mertesacker has stopped playing through injury or retirement, Koscielny has gone back to his old self when fit. Coincidence? Maybe, but maybe not.

I think people undervalue Mertesacker's organisational abilities. World class is a term with, as far as I'm aware, no agreed definition. If winning over a hundred caps fnr one of the world's premier national teams isn't, then other maybe biased measures can come into it.


I always appreciated his positional and organisational talents. The best defenders are the ones who have to make the fewest challenges because they get into the correct positions. But my point still stands, when did we last have a really top quality defender in our team (Kos accepted).

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Rich wrote:
socrates wrote:

We are definitely in the wilderness.

I was thinking that if I wanted to build a team to win a title then how many of the current side would I want to keep.

I reckon the keeper probably, Aubameyang, Lacazette and Guendouzi, Torreira and AMN (for their potential).

That's about it.

And Bellerin.
So we need 2 CB, a left back, 2 wingers/creatives just for a decent first 11. Then we probably need a further 8-9 top quality players to build a good squad.


I wasn't counting Bellerin because he's not part of the current side, but yes I'd keep him.


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Rich wrote:
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We are definitely in the wilderness.

I was thinking that if I wanted to build a team to win a title then how many of the current side would I want to keep.

I reckon the keeper probably, Aubameyang, Lacazette and Guendouzi, Torreira and AMN (for their potential).

That's about it.

And Bellerin.
So we need 2 CB, a left back, 2 wingers/creatives just for a decent first 11. Then we probably need a further 8-9 top quality players to build a good squad.


Yep, that's about the gist of it.

That's several transfer windows work.


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socrates wrote:
david.d wrote:
Hate to say it but we are miles away from Liverpool and Spurs. Many many miles.
Superb managers motivating good to great players.


We are definitely in the wilderness.

I was thinking that if I wanted to build a team to win a title then how many of the current side would I want to keep.

I reckon the keeper (probably), Aubameyang, Lacazette (definitely) and Guendouzi, Torreira and AMN (for their potential).

That's about it.


Hi Soc

I would keep Leno, Bellerin, Holding, sokratis, AMN, Guendozi,Lacazette and Aubameyang

So out of a squad of 25 we have 8 players good enough. That’s damning

I was watching Moura last night and it occurred to me aside from our strikers do we have a winger or midfielder in our squad who is actually capable of scoring a hat trick in a football match for us like he did? The answer is no there isn’t, a hat trick in a game simply isn’t coming from Özil, Iwobi, mickeytarragon.

Surely that’s a damning indictment of the current squad quality. Even Ray Parlour scored a hat trick in Europe. Actually if we had Ray Parlour now our whole side would be built around him.

The quality isn’t there. People can slag off emery to their hearts content but he inherited a real turd


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Rich wrote:
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If we could make a deal, I'd love to get Coutinho.

https://www.givemesport.com/1474000-phi ... y3HcNGSOJs

Seriously?
Even if Barca took a 50% hit on what they bought him for he’d be twice our summer budget.
Liverpool struck absolute gold when they sold him, a perfect storm of Barca feeling slighted at losing Neymar and needing to make a statement, they probably watched a YouTube clip of Coutinho’s long range wonder strikes and bought him - forgetting the multiple shots he has that end up in row z or kill promising attacks.
Absolutely no way should we be signing Coutinho


Exactly the type of player we should avoid. Overpriced and over rated. We need power, pace and stamina above all else. Hard-working players who will get in the face of so called superstars and call them out over their lack of effort.

We can rebuild this team quickly and relatively cheaply if we focus on value, youth and players with something to prove. We should avoid second rate international stars who have an ego the size of their wage packet

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Raghav89 wrote:
Hope everybody that continued to want Wenger to get another year after year is happy.

Also lack of money no excuse- Poch spent 0 this season.

Well I wanted him gone and I would rather someone try to rebuild the wreckage your hero left, than have Wenger run the club further into the ground by purchasing overrated and ineffectual players for silly sums, agree to pay Özil 350k, and have a socialist wage system that means we cannot offload many of our passengers.

Would I go back to Wenger? I have a colonoscopy every couple of years for health reason - I would prefer that than have Wenger back.

I can see why you'd prefer the colonoscopy, or letting Kiwi o
loose on your teeth with his hand drill, or other trivial discomforts such as acute appendicitis... But if it was a choice between Wenger or having Raghav back which way would you go?

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Raghav89 wrote:
Hope everybody that continued to want Wenger to get another year after year is happy.

Also lack of money no excuse- Poch spent 0 this season.

Well I wanted him gone and I would rather someone try to rebuild the wreckage your hero left, than have Wenger run the club further into the ground by purchasing overrated and ineffectual players for silly sums, agree to pay Özil 350k, and have a socialist wage system that means we cannot offload many of our passengers.

Would I go back to Wenger? I have a colonoscopy every couple of years for health reason - I would prefer that than have Wenger back.

I can see why you'd prefer the colonoscopy, or letting Kiwi o
loose on your teeth with his hand drill, or other trivial discomforts such as acute appendicitis... But if it was a choice between Wenger or having Raghav back which way would you go?

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But if it was a choice between Wenger or having Raghav back which way would you go?

I'd have Wenger and the colonoscopy over Raghav.

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Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results. We have some proper bums in the squad but I'm telling you, the manager is a dud too. I would love to eat my words, honestly I would, but I really don't see many signs of encouragement based on what I've seen so far from Unai Emery.

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As much as many disliked, or even hated him, if Alexis was still here, Emery would have countered on him so many times already. I put his slide of attitude and desire squarely on the manager who was mismanaging him. Some on here will say the same drum is getting beat. But no, it is simply a fact being stated.

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But if it was a choice between Wenger or having Raghav back which way would you go?

I'd have Wenger and the colonoscopy over Raghav.

Fair call.

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Darren wrote:
Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results. We have some proper bums in the squad but I'm telling you, the manager is a dud too. I would love to eat my words, honestly I would, but I really don't see many signs of encouragement based on what I've seen so far from Unai Emery.


Tonight will tell. Let's see how he sets out his team to get the result. Let's see if he persist with Mkhitaryan and Xhaka, and hope for golden moments from them. Let's see if he can get Özil to run himself flat for the team. The players should not even need to be told to be driven for a result.

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But if it was a choice between Wenger or having Raghav back which way would you go?

I'd have Wenger and the colonoscopy over Raghav.


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Juventus and their coach Massimiliano Allegri are to part company after five seasons and five league titles. Former Juve manager and player Antonio Conte has been linked with a return.

Hmm.

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Darren wrote:
Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results. We have some proper bums in the squad but I'm telling you, the manager is a dud too. I would love to eat my words, honestly I would, but I really don't see many signs of encouragement based on what I've seen so far from Unai Emery.


Giving the restrictions from kse that were probably highlighted to potential managers during the discussions that took place, he was probably the only one who would agree to work with those financial limits. Did Mislintat (sp) resign for these reasons?

Emery seems to lack charisma and though he is hindered in his dealings with media by the language issue he does not inspire me or fill me with any confidence. He has only had a year to change things but I would hope that he could have produced a tighter defence in that time if nothing else

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Darren wrote:
Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results. We have some proper bums in the squad but I'm telling you, the manager is a dud too. I would love to eat my words, honestly I would, but I really don't see many signs of encouragement based on what I've seen so far from Unai Emery.


Tonight will tell. Let's see how he sets out his team to get the result. Let's see if he persist with Mkhitaryan and Xhaka, and hope for golden moments from them. Let's see if he can get Özil to run himself flat for the team. The players should not even need to be told to be driven for a result.

Anything less than the same level of passion and commitment shown by Liverpool and Spurs in their semi finals will be completely unacceptable - unfortunately I'm not expecting it from our overpaid overrated usual suspects- Özil, Mik, Xhaka at the top of the list.


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Darren wrote:
Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results.


2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans


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Juventus and their coach Massimiliano Allegri are to part company after five seasons and five league titles. Former Juve manager and player Antonio Conte has been linked with a return.

Hmm.


Allegri could be the new manager who is able to get more out of our underperforming world class talent like Mustafi and Kolasinac and improve our defence.

However didn’t they offer him the job last year and he asked for 150 million in the transfer market otherwise his tenure would be pointless ?

https://www.thesportreview.com/2018/05/ ... ri-demand/

Emery didn’t so he got the job and his tenure will be pointless :laughing7:


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Juventus and their coach Massimiliano Allegri are to part company after five seasons and five league titles. Former Juve manager and player Antonio Conte has been linked with a return.

Hmm.


Allegri could be the new manager who is able to get more out of our underperforming world class talent like Mustafi and Kolasinac and improve our defence.

Unfortunately I don't see us as being an attractive proposition for the likes of Allegri in our current state.


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TOP GUN wrote:
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Juventus and their coach Massimiliano Allegri are to part company after five seasons and five league titles. Former Juve manager and player Antonio Conte has been linked with a return.

Hmm.


Allegri could be the new manager who is able to get more out of our underperforming world class talent like Mustafi and Kolasinac and improve our defence.


These guys will not come to us. Money in their back pocket is not an issue for them. They are all very wealthy individuals. They want a job that gives them a chance to enhance their cv and win trophies. The restrictions placed on squad development by kse will put them off

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Allegri could be the new manager who is able to get more out of our underperforming world class talent like Mustafi and Kolasinac and improve our defence.

Unfortunately I don't see us as being an attractive proposition for the likes of Allegri in our current state.

Am I the only one who isn't sold on Allegri? Juventus are a bit like City in so much as they have such a big advantage over their rivals and also, they have a solid structure from boardroom down. We're currently in the process of restructuring.

Btw, a friend goes to these fans forums where they talk with the board. Says the last one he went to was chaired by Josh Kroenke and he came away thinking how well he spoke and how focussed they were on the structure they wanted in place. He said he was more impressed with him than he imagined he would be. I was surprised as this guy has always been a massive critic of Kroenke.

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TOP GUN wrote:
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Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results.


2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans

I hope you are right. Either way he deserves the benefit of the doubt for another season.

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Allegri could be the new manager who is able to get more out of our underperforming world class talent like Mustafi and Kolasinac and improve our defence.


These guys will not come to us. Money in their back pocket is not an issue for them. They are all very wealthy individuals. They want a job that gives them a chance to enhance their cv and win trophies. The restrictions placed on squad development by kse will put them off


Yes restrictions but also legacy mistakes that will take time to be resolved (Özil, mhikitaryan, wasting 100 million on the 3 amigos Xhaka, Perez and Mustafi)

Any manager with a descent resume should run a million miles away from the arsenal job. Your totally setting yourself up. This is why I was suggesting after Emery inevitably gets fired at the end of next year employ an ex player who has an affinity with the fans who would allow him a long time on a major rebuilding project.


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TOP GUN wrote:
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These guys will not come to us. Money in their back pocket is not an issue for them. They are all very wealthy individuals. They want a job that gives them a chance to enhance their cv and win trophies. The restrictions placed on squad development by kse will put them off


Yes restrictions but also legacy mistakes that will take time to be resolved (Özil, mhikitaryan, wasting 100 million on the 3 amigos Xhaka, Perez and Mustafi)

Any manager with a descent resume should run a million miles away from the arsenal job. Your totally setting yourself up. This is why I was suggesting after Emery inevitably gets fired at the end of next year empty an ex player who has an affinity with the fans who would allow him a long time on a major rebuilding project.


When we did spend some of it was done very badly and we made the wrong call in contractual negotiations for several players.

God I just remembered the embarrassment of the _£40 million plus one pound offer for Suarez. What a *%^@ load of transfer wankery have Arsenal been involved in over the last ten years.

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Post #498274  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:33 am 
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Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results.


2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans

I hope you are right. Either way he deserves the benefit of the doubt for another season.

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Post #498275  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:34 am 
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TOP GUN wrote:
Darren wrote:
Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results.


2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans


Most of us are willing to be patient as long as we see some improvements. Present frustrations with Emery is a reaction to us dropping 11 points in the last 4 league games. All will be well again when we win tonight and again on 29 May.


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TOP GUN wrote:

2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans

I hope you are right. Either way he deserves the benefit of the doubt for another season.

I think this would be the right thing to do. See what the club do in the summer then we can see whether we're moving forward or not. I think by christmas if there's not an obvious forward trajectory then the club needs to assess.

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As much as many disliked, or even hated him, if Alexis was still here, Emery would have countered on him so many times already. I put his slide of attitude and desire squarely on the manager who was mismanaging him. Some on here will say the same drum is getting beat. But no, it is simply a fact being stated.

Wenger got the best out of him. Sanchez wanted a bigger contract (understandable) and got one from MU. He has been a shadow of the player he was. I'm glad he's no longer with us.


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As much as many disliked, or even hated him, if Alexis was still here, Emery would have countered on him so many times already. I put his slide of attitude and desire squarely on the manager who was mismanaging him. Some on here will say the same drum is getting beat. But no, it is simply a fact being stated.

Wenger got the best out of him. Sanchez wanted a bigger contract (understandable) and got one from MU. He has been a shadow of the player he was. I'm glad he's no longer with us.

On a footballing level even now I’d still take him. He’d be more productive than Özil, Iwobi or mhikitaryan.


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One thing to be admired in both spurs and Liverpool is how some relatively average squad players have come in and done the business when the best we’re injured. Llorente, moura, Origi, Shaqiri- all big parts to play in each semi and none of whom are first choice
True. While Liverpool's win was phenomenal I feel Spurs' performance is even greater. Lose at home, two down away and to win it from that position is the stuff of dreams. Or nightmares if you support Arsenal.

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Post #498280  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:33 am 
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Decaf wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:

2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans

I hope you are right. Either way he deserves the benefit of the doubt for another season.


To give another example

Emery favours a ... 4-2-3-1 and high press. He’s always usually played this

At the moment he can’t play it because he doesn’t trust his left back to be able to defend well enough, his centre halves are too inconsistent and he has a midfielder filling in at rightback. Therefore it’s 5 at the back and sacrifice some possession.

Have a read of this ..

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/07/23/ ... nai-emery/

He’s got no chance of achieving this with our current lot who aren’t energetic enough and some plain lazy.


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