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Post #513801  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:33 pm 
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Sometimes I just don’t get our tactics

Aubameyang wide right with willock down the middle :laughing7:


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Post #513802  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:34 pm 
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Is Pépé playing?


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Post #513803  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:36 pm 
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Is Pépé playing?

Simply abysmal

I do wonder if he gives a *%^@. He’s been atrocious and he’s just not working hard enough


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Post #513804  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:38 pm 
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Run the ball into the corner flag lads :laughing7:


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Post #513805  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:42 pm 
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Run the ball into the corner flag lads :laughing7:

Brings to mind the old Revie Leeds teams. They could kill a match stone dead by minimising the playing time left in a game.

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Post #513806  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:42 pm 
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Pressure building here


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Run the ball into the corner flag lads :laughing7:

Brings to mind the old Revie Leeds teams. They could kill a match stone dead by minimising the playing time left in a game.


We seem to be making time stand still, this is truly atrocious

This is not even playing football.


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Post #513808  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:50 pm 
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Who?

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Post #513809  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:56 pm 
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So frustrating that that tackle by Xhaka gets the same punishment as Trent on Saka.

Xhaka slides along the floor, wins the ball but with his studs facing horizontal rather than the turf. Trent is halfway up the shin of Saka, doesn't win the ball.

Given what we've had red cards for it could easily be a red


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Post #513810  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:57 pm 
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and why isn't that a yellow card, Origi throws himself to the ground wanting afree kicka dn just grabs the ball. Deliberate handball is a yellow card


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Post #513811  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:59 pm 
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Oooh 85 minutes gone

It’s like watching paint dry as duff player after duff player comes off our bench to come on.


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Post #513812  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:00 pm 
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and why isn't that a yellow card, Origi throws himself to the ground wanting afree kicka dn just grabs the ball. Deliberate handball is a yellow card


Yup thought that, the grading given by refs to similar tackles needs serious looking at. The first one you get away with, last knockings no one cares etc. It's total bollocks


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Post #513813  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:03 pm 
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5 is the new 4


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Post #513814  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:03 pm 
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Willock with a fantastic chance to wrap it up, slices his shot badly


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Post #513815  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:04 pm 
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total *%^@ from Willock. Not even on target. I want to like him but he hasn't done anything of note the whole second half of the season


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Post #513816  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:08 pm 
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is it worth saying we haven't been eviscerated by their fullbacks? last time they had us on toast. Better tactically? Or is this just Liverpool on the beach?


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Post #513817  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:09 pm 
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that is another fantastic save from Martinez, deflection, spinning right in to the corner


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Post #513818  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:10 pm 
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Thought Tierney and Holding did quite well at the back


Judging by this performance it will be several thousand years before we are competing again :laughing7:


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Post #513819  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:12 pm 
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Truly dire. Still, better to be dire and win than dire and lose I suppose.

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Post #513820  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:12 pm 
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Odd game. Not sure how we did it but I’ll take that. Still aiming for 8th though.

Mané was magnificent. Watch the replay, Pépé.


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Post #513821  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:12 pm 
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Ash wrote:
is it worth saying we haven't been eviscerated by their fullbacks? last time they had us on toast. Better tactically? Or is this just Liverpool on the beach?


Either way, the game was won. It’s nice to enjoy the moment.

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Post #513822  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:12 pm 
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Ash wrote:
is it worth saying we haven't been eviscerated by their fullbacks? last time they had us on toast. Better tactically? Or is this just Liverpool on the beach?

not obliterated by the full backs, but the game was just as one sided as the one at Anfield. We have improved but we can't really kid ourselves that we deserved it. The second half was much better, far fewer clear cut chances and fewer times we were actually opened up.

Liverpool almost certainly lost some focus but were still a mile better than us. Mané is some player, inside, outside - beats his man every single time. I rate him higher than Salah without doubt


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Post #513823  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:13 pm 
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Only 3 more games to endure then we can put this horrendous season to bed.

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Post #513824  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:17 pm 
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What a great, if unexpected, result.

As others have pointed out, though, there is no point in kidding ourselves. Liverpool weren't completely at it and gifted us two goals but were still much better than us.

Not sure any of our players gets in the team they fielded tonight.


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Post #513825  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:19 pm 
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How good is Martinez?


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Post #513826  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:25 pm 
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Not pretty, but seeing how Liverpool is the best team in the league and we're attempting some sort of rebuild after hitting absolute rock bottom under Emery I'm not sure we CAN beat them any other way at the moment. Lots of lessons to be learned from a performance like this.


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Post #513827  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:28 pm 
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The backs to the wall defending was a good warm up and preparation for the City cup semi. I think their guile and one touch stuff might give us more problems than Liverpool’s crossing approach. But also feel like we should be able to get forward a bit more against their defence.

Chances of us repeating today’s lucky result are slim so we need to play a lot better


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Post #513828  Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:29 pm 
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socrates wrote:
How good is Martinez?

Very. Comms made a good point at how often he catches, not just crosses but shots. Doesn’t parry them away.


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Liverpool not the same team after the Covid 19 outbreak. It would have been more romantic had they stayed undefeated and we go this result.
I'll take any kind of win at this point. Had Mustafi been in, we'd have lost. I'm convinced of that. Martinez was decent enough other than 1 or 2 glaring mistakes, which no keeper can afford against a top side like LFC.

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Concerns not abated by that performance although I thought Tierney Holding and Martinez were good. Should have been the defence in the Spurs game. Even when Ceballos came on he never got any midfield control. In order to play to Xhaka strengths we lose so much across midfield. More questions from this performance than answers.

Arteta needs to say at the press conference- we will get flogged by many teams if we play like that in the future.

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Rich wrote:
socrates wrote:
How good is Martinez?

Very. Comms made a good point at how often he catches, not just crosses but shots. Doesn’t parry them away.


Yep, its rare to see such assured handling these days. Most keepers parry balls away.

If he carries on like this there might just be an argument to suggest his all round game is better than Leno's. He's very composed, more assured in possession, more accurate and quicker with his passing and better on crosses.

Leno has been brilliant for us with his razor sharp reflexes and point blank saves but I don't think he's great with the ball at his feet and is a bit of a flapper when crosses come in.

It is hard to see Martinez continuing at this level indefinitely but if he does he certainly doesn't deserved to be dropped.


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Liverpool not the same team after the Covid 19 outbreak. It would have been more romantic had they stayed undefeated and we go this result.
I'll take any kind of win at this point. Had Mustafi been in, we'd have lost. I'm convinced of that. Martinez was decent enough other than 1 or 2 glaring mistakes, which no keeper can afford against a top side like LFC.


Glaring mistakes, AG? Apart from the time he was caught in possession he was pretty much faultless.


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TOP GUN wrote:
Thought Tierney and Holding did quite well at the back


Judging by this performance it will be several thousand years before we are competing again :laughing7:

Central midfield. It's just not there. One powerful player in there makes a difference. Then add a good centre back. We have two good keepers, a good attack and reasonable fullbacks. That central defence to central midfield axis is just a huge weakness.

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Central midfield. It's just not there. One powerful player in there makes a difference. Then add a good centre back. We have two good keepers, a good attack and reasonable fullbacks. That central defence to central midfield axis is just a huge weakness.

Agree with this. I actually think we have plenty of good players in the squad, but our spine needs an upgrade. Hopefully the Partey rumours are true.


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Very. Comms made a good point at how often he catches, not just crosses but shots. Doesn’t parry them away.


Yep, its rare to see such assured handling these days. Most keepers parry balls away.

If he carries on like this there might just be an argument to suggest his all round game is better than Leno's. He's very composed, more assured in possession, more accurate and quicker with his passing and better on crosses.

Leno has been brilliant for us with his razor sharp reflexes and point blank saves but I don't think he's great with the ball at his feet and is a bit of a flapper when crosses come in.

It is hard to see Martinez continuing at this level indefinitely but if he does he certainly doesn't deserved to be dropped.


He’s got at least three more games to impress. That’s a decent run in the side against some stiff opposition. And crucially the things you’ve highlighted he seems to be better at are the things we need for the majority of games we’ll play, as we’re planning to be possession dominant I would guess, apart from the fewer games against City, Liverpool... Bayern Munich :1cry:


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That win wiped the smiles off the cocky Pool supporters from my neighbourhood :58big-emoticons:

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Rich wrote:
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The price for Ceballos is 23 million apparently being reported

That’s going to be a really tough call. He seems priced reasonably for his age but I’m not sure has shown enough generally whilst being promising in certain games.

It could be a good or bad piece of business considering what other ins and outs need to take place.

Judging on the last 5 games it is a good price, £23m for a 23 year old. Judged on his first half of the season you wouldn't pay it.
I suppose the question is do we need a CM 'like' Ceballos, someone who can progress play from deep - the answer is yes. So the next question is can we find someone who does that better than Ceballos for under £23m?

Also, if that is the price Real Madrid have set why should we pay what they want. Make a lower offer! Madrid will be just as desperate to raise funds for their next big signing


He started well for a game or 2 and then sort of drifted into very average for a while. He has picked up again recently but I always wonder whether he's doing a Walcott and upping his game before the contract is renewed, only to revert to type after the deal is signed. £23m does sound reasonable though given some of the other numbers being floated around ordinary players.


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socrates wrote:
AmericanGooner wrote:
Liverpool not the same team after the Covid 19 outbreak. It would have been more romantic had they stayed undefeated and we go this result.
I'll take any kind of win at this point. Had Mustafi been in, we'd have lost. I'm convinced of that. Martinez was decent enough other than 1 or 2 glaring mistakes, which no keeper can afford against a top side like LFC.


Glaring mistakes, AG? Apart from the time he was caught in possession he was pretty much faultless.


And Martinez did afford them.


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Rich wrote:
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If we could get 100 million offloading Peripheral players like Özil, Guendouzi, Torreira and Maitland Niles. We could spend the 23 million and still have the right amount to re invest in other areas. (I still think we would need another midfield player on top of that personally.

Özil £0m - no one is paying us a fee for him. I doubt anyone is even lining up to take him on loan even if we paid the majority of his wages
Guendouzi - I'd hope we could get £40m but in today's market we might be lucky to get £25m
Torreira - Again we should get our £25m back but more likely in the £15m range
AMN - young, english, versatile - should be £25m easily, We'll probably be able to get £15m max
I'm at maybe half of the £100m you (and I) hope for, but think £55m odd might be more realistic.


Surely we can flog Özil to Fernabache so that he can finally end his Arsenal nightmare and move in with Erdogan.


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This save at the end didn’t get the mentions or credit it deserves. It is up there as save of the season for me.
The deflection and spin means Martinez had to reset and show incredible footwork to get across to ensure his dive is timed perfectly to just get his finger tips to it. It is a save GKs would appreciate more than anyone else.


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