Prior to corona virus would they want a lockdown ? Course not.

After analysing it’s effects ? The only way forward. People don’t do things they don’t want to apart from our government it seems.

Strange how TG uses typical trolling techniques to start a row then accuses others of trolling............................

What on Earth are you talking about now ?

It’s too early for you to have been on the Sherry all ready surely ?

I noticed you didn’t respond to Gaz because he’s shown you up and it ain’t even noon yet ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... oronavirus



I mean what a plonker

and you do not want to understand or appreciate the money given to the NHS by this administration and the extra money given before the crisis broke not because the crisis broke. They have done what they said they would do but you cannot and wiill not ever appreciate it because of your political dogma.

The Government also made it law that they would give the nhs 'x' amount of funds and that is another fact you refuse to understand.

This Government has no control over what the NHS does and keeps pumping momney into it because it believes that basically it is a good thing.

The biggest problem with the NHS is not the lack of funds but it's misuse of funds. Too little to the frontline too much to an overbloated admin.

Read the date of it ..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chan ... c-services


They scrambled to reverse years of under funding. Dont get me wrong a good thing finally but don’t make up nonsense

You are the, who started the namecalling btw, plonker because you do not understand what he is saying like everything you misread.

In this case I believe the loosening of the purse strings does not refer the the money given to them to run the nhs but probably the additional sums given for specific matters like building and maintenance. I could be wrong it could be something else but definitely not the day to day running of the NHS which I repeat is for the NHS to decide.

"The English NHS is controlled by the UK government through the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), which takes political responsibility for the service. Resource allocation and oversight was delegated to NHS England, an arms-length body, by the Health and Social Care Act 2012"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... e_(England)


or tey reading this if you want to understand how the nhs is funded

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/n ... nhs-budget

But you acknowledge there’s a budget an the NHS have said for years to stem further decline it’s simply not enough to address the fundamental challenges facing the NHS, or fund essential improvements to services that are flagging right ?

I was 12, ‘66 had passed me by but ‘70 and that Brazil side stayed with me forever. In fact the whole tournament was special, Italy playing the role of pantomime villain; England flattering to deceive; the bloody Germans; the home supporters; Peru; Tostao and Rivelino’s free kicks and marvellous moustache. Still the standout World Cup for me, had everything.

I am glad you say that because they were a great team, made and cared for by Don Revie. He came from a very poor background. He was no egomaniac like those other great managers of the time, Shankly and Clough. He was generous and loving towards his men who he saw as a family. One of his biographers maintained that as good as he was as a player, Revie surprisingly had an inferiority complex, which it is said caused him to turn down a move to Arsenal in the 50s. Maybe he took that underdog feeling into his management and the idea of putting one over the so-called big clubs. Under him Leeds could be both glittering and cynical. John Giles was probably the best example of the coin both sides that you could see - a classic creator with alligator teeth.

We elect a Government to decide how much funding the NHS gets. If you think that Labour will give them more then vote Labour and see what they do........................

I assume you misunderstand my point. The need (though some may argue otherwise) to introduce a lockdown during the crisis is not the same as wanting it. How many people’s lives would have been enhanced by the lockdown? If it is possible to find a small handful, I am sure it’s a tiny if not infinitesimal proportion of the population. The lockdown is arguably necessary and it seems fair enough to claim it should have been introduced earlier.

But I think it’s wrong to criticise the government for not wanting to introduce it. There could well be a worldwide recession following the Coronavirus crisis, negatively affecting possibly billions of people’s lives across the world. It would therefore be idiotic for any government to want to introduce a lockdown even if they have done.

In criticising the government for not having ‘wanted’ to introduce it, your argument went off in the wrong direction. By all means moan about them for delaying the lockdown. But not for them not wanting to. Any government would be justified in not wanting to introduce a lockdown.

*%^@ that I’m not doing that either ! not right now anyway. I would think they would give them more cash though.

To be honest I think there’s not too much you can do about the PPE thing I mean, how many can you manufacture anyway there’s gotta be. A limit? It’s got to be a global problem. A massive effort needs to be made to uplift manufacturing capacity. Not sure if you can scream at a government about that specifically

The Tories have massively under funded and cut money to the NHS for years. It’s not rocket science. Anything else is meaningless spin. The Tories have left the NHS virtually on its knees. One good thing about this crisis is that now it will become more valuable than ever to us. If the Tories try and *%^@ with it after this they will get rightly hammered. Watching the same people who voted against pay rises for the workers of the NHS applauding it’s workers is sickening. Hypocrites the lot of of them.

I was 9, and completely captivated. Loved Peru, absolutely loved them. The Italy-Uruguay semi. Making my dad go to Esso garages to collect those coins. Looking up El Salvador in the atlas. Happy days.

Ah Brom, I was 7. Teofilo Cubillas. And that kit. Loved Peru.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO_pTO9S2ec

Goal No 7 - 19 yard free kick bent round the wall with the OUTSIDE of his foot.

Class

Agree wholeheartedly Darren.

It was the 1970 World Cup that turned me into a German (at the time West Germany) fan in international football. Specifically our 3-2 win against the English. Think I’ve mentioned the reason before. I started watching the game supporting England. But we had a load of relatives round our house to watch it as a family. The ladies (aunties, female cousins) and my mum didn’t watch it and socialised in another room. Football didn’t have the following amongst women that it does now.

But as the game progressed, I got increasingly appalled by the jingoism shown by uncles and male cousins. My dad and brother weren’t so bad. But the least offensive phrase I heard used about the Germans during the match was ‘bloody Krauts’). It did get far worse than that, to the point that would possibly be seen as racist terminology these days.

As a result when Gerd Muller got our winner, I was thrilled. I’ve supported West Germany and now Germany ever since.

So, having switched mid-match, did you end up having cheered all five goals?

Magnificent John. A couple of absolute belters against Scotland in 74. What a player he was.

Trying to understand some of the British politics. Do any of the parties or at either of the 2 main parties (Tories and Labour) want to do away with the NHS? Or do all parties support the need for it in principle?

In America one of the parties have openly said they would love get rid of certain agencies. For example, the Republicans have long wanted to do away with the Department of Education and have made no secret of it (which may also, ironically enough prove its need for their core support).

Can’t recall when or how early England scored but I’m sure I’d turned against them before their second. Maybe even their first.

Another thing that’s grating on me currently is the way that this government and the media is lauding that Captain Tom. To be clear, he’s seems a really nice old boy and he’s doing a fine thing in raising £23m so far for NHS Charities. But that’s the sort of money that this Government has stripped out of the NHS every couple of days for the last 10 years.

Welcome though Captain Tom’s contribution is, the way his deeds have caught the public zeitgeist make it feel a bit like conscience money. I think - I hope - we all understand that the NHS should be funded from our national taxes, not charity.

Jesus he’s tooted enough Colombian to make al Pacino do a runner

Mates who came back from the toilet in pubs and clubs with 'sniffles' were accused of having a case of the 'Bolivian flu'. Allegedly obviously, because I'm a law abiding citizen.

I know what I want for Christmas.

Looks good. I wonder, for $299 does it arrive full of wine?

Do you have a mirror?

We've all seen or even been at these moments but still great reminiscing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RRuYr76BBE&t=173s

Do you have anything betyween your ears

Now that is a true Brit...........

Get a life ffs...............

'97 CL final. Never saw it. Wondered how a club like Juve with Zidane, Vieri, Del Piero could lose. They were monsters at that time. Dortmund did what I've seen happen to us by clubs we should have beaten. Do it through set pieces. It seems it doesn't how good you are. It doesn't matter how good your defenders are, when that ball comes in swerving and people are moving around literally anything can and does happen.

Chris, as per usual, completely missing the point with a classic, blatant and utterly obvious attempt at deflection.

I like the Samson vs Goliath games. Not the most exciting but...

I hadn't realized just how many times Bayern bent over coughed in CL finals.

For the first time in a while, we agree Chris.

However that wasn’t the point of my post.

The question in my mind about PPE is just why there isn't enough of it. Presumably the NHS has an Emergency Plan, and it would be remarkable if the onset of a pandemic was not seen as one of the most important emergencies to fall within the remit of that Plan. The provision of PPE for all NHS frontline staff must surely be one of the most basic requirements of the Plan? Whether you want to blame the government or NHS management or Gordon Brown, the undeniable fact is that scurrying around for PPE a month into the emergency suggests very strongly that the Emergency Plan has an unforgiveable hole in it.