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Post #506121  Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:44 am 
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Rich wrote:
Seems to be a big list of potential managers:
Arteta, Allegri, Rodgers, ancelloti, nuno espirito, nagelsmann, pochettino, Vieira, ljungberg

What is the forum’s top 3

Pochettino, Rodgers and Vieira in order (however I think we have no chance with the first 2 )

Another new one being strongly linked today is Marcelino which would be fundamentally uninspiring


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Post #506122  Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:56 am 
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Rich wrote:
Seems to be a big list of potential managers:
Arteta, Allegri, Rodgers, ancelloti, nuno espirito, nagelsmann, pochettino, Vieira, ljungberg

What is the forum’s top 3


Rodgers won't leave. Ngelsmann has only just started at Leipzig. Allegri can't speak English. On that list I'd go for Arteta. He's a risk but at least it would be some kind of statement as to where we are going. We never went for the flashy big name manager and tend to get managers from left field. Although he is not unknown he still would be an appointment with some pizazz.

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Post #506123  Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:15 am 
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If Freds a better manager than he was a player we'll win the league.

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Rodgers won't leave.

Having been told what Rodgers said when asked about the job, I think he would take it. The rumours are buying him out of his Leicester contract would cost £14m. In modern Premier League football that is peanuts. Worth every single penny.


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Post #506125  Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:34 am 
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You’d think some younger players might get more consistent chances. Nelson and Willock could get more chances, and surely Pépé will start


Was thinking that as well. I want to see what a front six made of Martinelli, Saka, Nelson, Emile Smith Rowe, Willock and AMN can do - in the FA Cup perhaps?


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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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If Freds a better manager than he was a player we'll win the league.

I thought he can only work for 3 months as he has no certificates.

I wasn't being literal. My point (in response to Bernard) was that Ljungberg was an excellent player so if he's an even better manager he would be quite something.

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Post #506127  Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:43 am 
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TOP GUN wrote:
Rich wrote:
Seems to be a big list of potential managers:
Arteta, Allegri, Rodgers, ancelloti, nuno espirito, nagelsmann, pochettino, Vieira, ljungberg

What is the forum’s top 3

Pochettino, Rodgers and Vieira in order (however I think we have no chance with the first 2 )

Another new one being strongly linked today is Marcelino which would be fundamentally uninspiring

Definitely not Vieira. The chances of it not working out are too high and imagine how unpleasant that would be.

Poaching Rodgers for Leicester would be pretty ugly in my view.

Obviously if we got either I would be behind them 100%.

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Post #506128  Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:52 am 
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Bernard wrote:
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Rodgers won't leave.

Having been told what Rodgers said when asked about the job, I think he would take it. The rumours are buying him out of his Leicester contract would cost £14m. In modern Premier League football that is peanuts. Worth every single penny.


I don’t think HIM buying out the contract for 14 million would make financial sense. He would get the 6m per year Emery was getting which is 1m more than he’s on at Leicester but he wouldn’t get longer than a 3 year deal. Why would he do that ?

Arsenal paying Leicester the 14 million makes more sense but it would probably make him the least attractive financial option for Kroenke considering he’s just paid 10 million to pay off Emery and all his staff.

I think this pretty much rules out Brendon Rodgers and I strongly expect our next manager to be someone who is currently out of work


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Post #506129  Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:07 am 
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Christ on a bike! You're still blaming Aubameyang for our current predicament. Best striker in the league last season. I suppose you didn't rate Bergkamp or Brady either....

Just pointing out a very simple fact. He would have achieved his target. So on such fine margins things are decided. No I don't like Emery's style or non-style of play but I also don't like the way our players seem to be immune from criticism. They are part of the problem at the club. I don't blame Aubameyang for our poor play or lack of tactics but I blame him for failure to get to the CL and always will.

The really bad thing about Aubs miss was that we would have been in CL (where we probably couldn't have crawled out of the group stages) but Spurs would have been in the Europa League this season and therefore less cashed up.

That is a very strange way of looking at it. I don't see fine margins at all. Without Aubameyang's 22 goals we would have been lucky to get into the Europa League, let alone almost stumble into the CL. We were appallingly poor at the end of last season and it wasn't his fault.

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TOP GUN wrote:
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Having been told what Rodgers said when asked about the job, I think he would take it. The rumours are buying him out of his Leicester contract would cost £14m. In modern Premier League football that is peanuts. Worth every single penny.

I don’t think HIM buying out the contract for 14 million would make financial sense. He would get the 6m per year Emery was getting which is 1m more than he’s on at Leicester but he wouldn’t get longer than a 3 year deal. Why would he do that ?

Arsenal paying Leicester the 14 million makes more sense but it would probably make him the least attractive financial option for Kroenke considering he’s just paid 10 million to pay off Emery and all his staff.

I think this pretty much rules out Brendon Rodgers and I strongly expect our next manager to be someone who is currently out of work

I wasn’t talking of Rodgers himself buying out his contract at Leicester. I was talking of Arsenal doing it. You may well be right that the new manager will be someone out of work. But if that is the case, who is there apart from Pochettino and Allegri?


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Decaf wrote:
I wasn't being literal. My point (in response to Bernard) was that Ljungberg was an excellent player so if he's an even better manager he would be quite something.

But he wasn’t.


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Bernard wrote:
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I don’t think HIM buying out the contract for 14 million would make financial sense. He would get the 6m per year Emery was getting which is 1m more than he’s on at Leicester but he wouldn’t get longer than a 3 year deal. Why would he do that ?

Arsenal paying Leicester the 14 million makes more sense but it would probably make him the least attractive financial option for Kroenke considering he’s just paid 10 million to pay off Emery and all his staff.

I think this pretty much rules out Brendon Rodgers and I strongly expect our next manager to be someone who is currently out of work

I wasn’t talking of Rodgers himself buying out his contract at Leicester. I was talking of Arsenal doing it. You may well be right that the new manager will be someone out of work. But if that is the case, who is there apart from Pochettino and Allegri?


Marcelino as the sun are saying? Arteta ?

Nuno has a contract but is only on 3 million a year. That should be more affordable in terms of compensation you would have to pay. Vieira can’t be on a huge contract at nice you would have thought. The problem with Rogers is that Leicester paid Celtic 9 million in compensation to get him so had to put subsequent contractual clauses in place.

Could we afford Allegri ? We only paid Emery 6 million a year, that’s not a huge wage and he could probably make more waiting for a better offer.


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TOP GUN wrote:
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I wasn’t talking of Rodgers himself buying out his contract at Leicester. I was talking of Arsenal doing it. You may well be right that the new manager will be someone out of work. But if that is the case, who is there apart from Pochettino and Allegri?

Marcelino as the sun are saying? Arteta ?

Nuno has a contract but is only on 3 million a year. That should be more affordable in terms of compensation you would have to pay. Vieira can’t be on a huge contract at nice you would have thought. The problem with Rogers is that Leicester paid Celtic 9 million in compensation to get him so had to put subsequent contractual clauses in place.

Could we afford Allegri ? We only paid Emery 6 million a year, that’s not a huge wage and he could probably make more waiting for a better offer.

Arteta isn’t out of work. I think we could afford Rodgers and Allegri.


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Bernard wrote:
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Marcelino as the sun are saying? Arteta ?

Nuno has a contract but is only on 3 million a year. That should be more affordable in terms of compensation you would have to pay. Vieira can’t be on a huge contract at nice you would have thought. The problem with Rogers is that Leicester paid Celtic 9 million in compensation to get him so had to put subsequent contractual clauses in place.

Could we afford Allegri ? We only paid Emery 6 million a year, that’s not a huge wage and he could probably make more waiting for a better offer.

Arteta isn’t out of work. I think we could afford Rodgers and Allegri.


Artetas a coach though and you wouldn’t have to pay huge compensation to get him though. Guardiola said previously they would just let him go.

Rodgers salary is affordable but Allegri was getting linked with Munich and united jobs. Guardiola was on over 10 million a year at Bayern on that basis isn’t Allegri better waiting for a better offer from a champions league club because currently we pay a little over half that. I suppose it comes down to how much we want the said person but I’m expecting someone like Nuno, Marcelino or Arteta to turn up.


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Just a quick one.

I've got loads of Arsenal books scanned up on flickr but they're to likely vanish soon because flickr have been mucking me around so if there's anything you want to copy from there please do it sooner rather than later.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/99068843@ ... 3367979714

On the subject of Arsenal history I've a very small part in this site which is absolutely amazing http://thearsenalcollection.org.uk/


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Hmnnn the criminal justice system might need a complete overhaul.


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Mertesacker confirmed will be in dugout tomorrow. Going to be helping Ljungberg in the interim period


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Decaf wrote:
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Just pointing out a very simple fact. He would have achieved his target. So on such fine margins things are decided. No I don't like Emery's style or non-style of play but I also don't like the way our players seem to be immune from criticism. They are part of the problem at the club. I don't blame Aubameyang for our poor play or lack of tactics but I blame him for failure to get to the CL and always will.

The really bad thing about Aubs miss was that we would have been in CL (where we probably couldn't have crawled out of the group stages) but Spurs would have been in the Europa League this season and therefore less cashed up.

That is a very strange way of looking at it. I don't see fine margins at all. Without Aubameyang's 22 goals we would have been lucky to get into the Europa League, let alone almost stumble into the CL. We were appallingly poor at the end of last season and it wasn't his fault.

Winning away to spurs is tough, very tough. Beating Brighton at home should not have been tough. If we want to pinpoint one game where we lost top 4, that was it.


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Rich wrote:
Mertesacker confirmed will be in dugout tomorrow. Going to be helping Ljungberg in the interim period

It’s on Sky Sports.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... head-coach


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Interesting. Some of these echoed on here. Some not.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/arsenal-mu ... 50235.html

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Mertesacker confirmed will be in dugout tomorrow. Going to be helping Ljungberg in the interim period


Apparently Ljungberg was looking for an experienced head, someone with an indepth knowledge of the game, someone with organisational and leadership qualities and someone who was an outstanding player for the club.

However, he couldn't find anyone so he went for Mertesacker instead.


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Rich wrote:
Seems to be a big list of potential managers:
Arteta, Allegri, Rodgers, ancelloti, nuno espirito, nagelsmann, pochettino, Vieira, ljungberg

What is the forum’s top 3


AG top choice :42laughter:

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Mertesacker confirmed will be in dugout tomorrow. Going to be helping Ljungberg in the interim period


Or maybe there is more to it? Is he a qualified coach?

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Mertesacker confirmed will be in dugout tomorrow. Going to be helping Ljungberg in the interim period


Apparently Ljungberg was looking for an experienced head, someone with an indepth knowledge of the game, someone with organisational and leadership qualities and someone who was an outstanding player for the club.

However, he couldn't find anyone so he went for Mertesacker instead.

:laughing7: :laughing7: Clichy not available?

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socrates wrote:
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Mertesacker confirmed will be in dugout tomorrow. Going to be helping Ljungberg in the interim period

Apparently Ljungberg was looking for an experienced head, someone with an indepth knowledge of the game, someone with organisational and leadership qualities and someone who was an outstanding player for the club.

However, he couldn't find anyone so he went for Mertesacker instead.

But Mertesacker meets every single one of the qualities you list. It’s stupid to deny it.


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The Express, Mirror and Star all name Rodgers as Arsenal’s top target while the Mail claim Rodgers is one of a number of targets.


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Bernard wrote:
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Apparently Ljungberg was looking for an experienced head, someone with an indepth knowledge of the game, someone with organisational and leadership qualities and someone who was an outstanding player for the club.

However, he couldn't find anyone so he went for Mertesacker instead.

But Mertesacker meets every single one of the qualities you list. It’s stupid to deny it.

I just get the feeling that Per and Freddie are very decent coaches. Am fascinated to see how this plays out. I am more excited by tomorrow’s game than I have been for a very long time. Something just feels right about this, based on absolutely nothing tangible. I would love this to be a success. However you feel about the two as players they are real Arsenal men who both absolutely got what it meant to play for Arsenal.

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Looks like Mourinho has a lot of work to do. Have they almost failed to keep a lead in every game they've played so far?


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Looks like Mourinho has a lot of work to do. Have they almost failed to keep a lead in every game they've played so far?


I hope so, but I'd still back them to finish ahead of us at this point in time. I did think about Bielsa a few weeks back, if he'd leave Leeds, which I'm not sure we could achieve, he'd be my first choice I think. Gets his teams playing with intensity.


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Looks like Mourinho has a lot of work to do. Have they almost failed to keep a lead in every game they've played so far?

Under Mourinho they keep winning though. I’m glad West Ham won at Chelsea. With Ljungberg and Mertesacker now at the helm instead of Emery, I think we still have a realistic chance of getting a top four place.


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I hope they give Freddie a chance to prove himself. I woud love us to become a tea that promotes from within as much as possible at leas let's do it till another Klopp or Guardiola come along.


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I hope they give Freddie a chance to prove himself. I woud love us to become a tea that promotes from within as much as possible at leas let's do it till another Klopp or Guardiola come along.

I can see Guardiola not being at City next season. He’s failed to get over the loss of Kompany. Might Arteta stay at City in the hope he will take over from Guardiola?


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It's not impossible but we coud be 5th tomorrow.

First time in years I've been confident and expect it to happen...................

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Bernard wrote:
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Apparently Ljungberg was looking for an experienced head, someone with an indepth knowledge of the game, someone with organisational and leadership qualities and someone who was an outstanding player for the club.

However, he couldn't find anyone so he went for Mertesacker instead.

But Mertesacker meets every single one of the qualities you list. It’s stupid to deny it.

Not as stupid as your anti-Ljungberg bias.

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Bernard wrote:
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I hope they give Freddie a chance to prove himself. I woud love us to become a tea that promotes from within as much as possible at leas let's do it till another Klopp or Guardiola come along.

I can see Guardiola not being at City next season. He’s failed to get over the loss of Kompany. Might Arteta stay at City in the hope he will take over from Guardiola?

Laporte is a huge loss and it has been glossed over to a large degree. He's a very good defender. Can you imagine the wailing if VVD was out injured for any length of time?

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But Mertesacker meets every single one of the qualities you list. It’s stupid to deny it.

I just get the feeling that Per and Freddie are very decent coaches. Am fascinated to see how this plays out. I am more excited by tomorrow’s game than I have been for a very long time. Something just feels right about this, based on absolutely nothing tangible. I would love this to be a success. However you feel about the two as players they are real Arsenal men who both absolutely got what it meant to play for Arsenal.

I feel exactly the same way, Darren. Those two guys definitely know what it means to be Arsenal. It's so nice to have a bit of a buzz about watching an Arsenal match again. I find football increasingly boring these days and I've no idea why I devote so much of my time to it. Maybe Freddie and Per will change things.

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But Mertesacker meets every single one of the qualities you list. It’s stupid to deny it.

Not as stupid as your anti-Ljungberg bias.

But I’m not anti-Ljungberg at all. I consider him an Arsenal legend. I’m just prepared to accept he was grossly overrated as a player. It seems you’re not. That’s your problem, not mine.


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Harsh of Emery who seemed a nice guy but I can’t recall a manager more out of his depth.

He will now likely manage a mid table Spanish side or go back to starring in the Hotel Transylvania movies

FFS - it just didn't work at our club. In the right location he is a good manager. There was no 8-2 loses or even 6-1.


Entertainment expectation levels must be pretty damn low in Townsville .....

" he is a good manager " ..... what ...just because he avoided 8 -2 and 6 - 1 losses " :icon_scratch:

He was abysmal , worst Arsenal manager ever , set out to play an awful slow build up
style of football , then didn't have the brains to coach something else when it failed week and week out .

" The right location for his skills " ....

Hmmm let's see here ... would have to be Spanish speaking .... ahhmmm.. [ sounds of tuneless whistling ]

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Bernard wrote:
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Not as stupid as your anti-Ljungberg bias.

But I’m not anti-Ljungberg at all. I consider him an Arsenal legend. I’m just prepared to accept he was grossly overrated as a player. It seems you’re not. That’s your problem, not mine.


I disagree he was a superb player,

He scored critical match winning goals and never shirked. I always loved watching him play. I think the reason he got less acclaim was the quality of the team he was in which was sensational. Scored a winner and is one of only 16 players who have scored hat tricks in the league for us since the start of the premier league


Ramsey or Ljungberg ? Don’t make me laugh. If he was around now our whole team would be built around him.


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FFS - it just didn't work at our club. In the right location he is a good manager. There was no 8-2 loses or even 6-1.


Entertainment expectation levels must be pretty damn low in Townsville .....

" he is a good manager " ..... what ...just because he avoided 8 -2 and 6 - 1 losses " :icon_scratch:

He was abysmal , worst Arsenal manager ever , set out to play an awful slow build up
style of football , then didn't have the brains to coach something else when it failed week and week out .

" The right location for his skill [ sounds of tuneless whistling ]

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