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Post #476721  Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:10 am 
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So Everton up next. Everton are a team going through a torrid time, very low on confidence and generally having the feeling that any mistake they make ends up in a goal against them.

The way not to play away from home to a team in this state is to come out of the traps like a tortoise, let the home team build some confidence, dawdle on the ball to allow the home team to 'get in our faces' to let the crowd cheer something, crowd and players feed off each other but the quality isn't quite there for the home team but at least they've found some heart. Also make sure you never really test the fragile and nervous defence by committing defenders or making the gk save shots. Simply funnelling the ball from side to side just tests the home sides shape and ability to drift defence their two banks of 4.

Eventually get sloppy in possession giving it away in key areas, giving up some set pieces which has the now rabid home fans ecstatic as they won't score any other way. Home said then nick the game with a set pieces goal and 35% possession.

Tell me if you've seen this before?


Yep, last year when Everton were in equally dismal form but beat Arsenal and then turned their season around.


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Post #476722  Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:25 am 
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.... im struggling to name a single thing we do better than any of Man U, city, Chelsea and Spurs.


I'm not struggling at all. :toothy9: We do nothing better than Man U, City and Chelsea. As David D mentioned, the one thing we've done better than Spurs is win FA Cups.

Personally, I don't attribute the blame to one or other level of the club. The top level management are a joke, the transfer business is a shambles, the football management and tactics are shite and the players on the pitch are a bunch of gutless, overpaid tossers. I'm still amazed that so many fans still bother to turn up when it's so plain to see that they're being royally *%^@** over. :1laughter:


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Post #476723  Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:00 pm 
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wierd isnt it.
We have 3 trophies in the last 4 years.
Spurs have....none.
Wenger has been more successful in recent times than pochettino.
He should get credit for that especially after the 9 trophy less years.
But if given a choice to take us forward we MUST get a young progressive manager.
Wenger should not have been renewed. I loved the fa cups in 14, 15 and 17 and i wish he had gone out on a high.
We would undoubtedly have been hammered if we had played madrid tonight yet spurs get a result and that is largely down to pochettino.
Spurs are looking at a bright future.
With wenger we are not.


I remember the 70s and being the only Arsenal fan in school I would have been absolutely delighted with 3 FA Cup wins in 4 years. But right now I feel underwhelmed and disinterested. Weird isn't it.

Mind you, not sure Spurs are looking at any more a bright future than we were when the Emirates was announced. I think they will suffer from player demands (see Walker), external incitement of their squad (RM, Barcelona etc), and their ground will lose its 'aura', just like we lost our aura when we left Highbury.

Hi John.
I was watching the match with my Daughter and my Mum and went the final whistle went after the Watford winner.
I was fuming and distraught and my Beloved Ladies could see the pain etched on my face.
Have been here so many times with a Wenger team but you cant help getting emotionally involved.
Why should we though when some of them don't seem to care a jot.
Was fuming that once again wenger took off Lacazette again. Here is a man he has spent 46 million on who knows where the net is.
Why not play Lacazette and Giroud together??
If ozils chance falls to lacazette we win that game yet he is not on the pitch to receive that chance!!!
Stop subbing him and let the man play the whole game.
You may turn out to be right John about Spurs but right now we seem to be heading in different directions if our managers are currently anything to go by.


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Post #476724  Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:17 pm 
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I remember the 70s and being the only Arsenal fan in school I would have been absolutely delighted with 3 FA Cup wins in 4 years. But right now I feel underwhelmed and disinterested. Weird isn't it.

Mind you, not sure Spurs are looking at any more a bright future than we were when the Emirates was announced. I think they will suffer from player demands (see Walker), external incitement of their squad (RM, Barcelona etc), and their ground will lose its 'aura', just like we lost our aura when we left Highbury.

Hi John.
I was watching the match with my Daughter and my Mum and went the final whistle went after the Watford winner.
I was fuming and distraught and my Beloved Ladies could see the pain etched on my face.
Have been here so many times with a Wenger team but you cant help getting emotionally involved.
Why should we though when some of them don't seem to care a jot.
Was fuming that once again wenger took off Lacazette again. Here is a man he has spent 46 million on who knows where the net is.
Why not play Lacazette and Giroud together??
If ozils chance falls to lacazette we win that game yet he is not on the pitch to receive that chance!!!
Stop subbing him and let the man play the whole game.
You may turn out to be right John about Spurs but right now we seem to be heading in different directions if our managers are currently anything to go by.


Hi David.
My biggest frustration over the Watford match was the number of times Lacazette had the run on the defender but there was no through ball - happened more than a couple of times. Bend the ball around the defence into the inside forward channels for him, and I reckon he'd bag a few.
Must be very frustrating for him to - not to mention being v tiring constantly starting a sprint then having to check. Perhaps that's why he gets subbed? That little box on his back telling the bench he's knackered??
Let's just mix the game up a bit - try the unexpected pass - as Deeney said, no-one fears us any more as all we do is pass pass pass. Even my Saturday league team could put up a good defensive show against that witless, timid and cowardly approach.
Take a risk sometimes lads, it's what you get paid the massive big bucks for.

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Post #476725  Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:01 pm 
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If anybody is interested tonights game starts at 6pm but more important Emmerdale's on at 7pm and should entertain you more :1laughter: or TG My Little Pony's on CBBC, enjoy.


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john1 wrote:
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Hi John.
I was watching the match with my Daughter and my Mum and went the final whistle went after the Watford winner.
I was fuming and distraught and my Beloved Ladies could see the pain etched on my face.
Have been here so many times with a Wenger team but you cant help getting emotionally involved.
Why should we though when some of them don't seem to care a jot.
Was fuming that once again wenger took off Lacazette again. Here is a man he has spent 46 million on who knows where the net is.
Why not play Lacazette and Giroud together??
If ozils chance falls to lacazette we win that game yet he is not on the pitch to receive that chance!!!
Stop subbing him and let the man play the whole game.
You may turn out to be right John about Spurs but right now we seem to be heading in different directions if our managers are currently anything to go by.


Hi David.
My biggest frustration over the Watford match was the number of times Lacazette had the run on the defender but there was no through ball - happened more than a couple of times. Bend the ball around the defence into the inside forward channels for him, and I reckon he'd bag a few.
Must be very frustrating for him too - not to mention being v tiring constantly starting a sprint then having to check. Perhaps that's why he gets subbed? That little box on his back telling the bench he's knackered??
Let's just mix the game up a bit - try the unexpected pass - as Deeney said, no-one fears us any more as all we do is pass pass pass. Even my Saturday league team could put up a good defensive show against that witless, timid and cowardly approach.
Take a risk sometimes lads, it's what you get paid the massive big bucks for.

Yep
He was making a lot of good runs.
The Bt comms picked this up and commented that he was making some excellent runs.
Our midfield is so poor nowadays.
After showing promise last season Xhaka has been poor and though very tidy Elneny is not a creative player who can play the pass.
If we had someone resolute who is merely defensive minded it might allow Xhaka or Ramsey a bit more freedom to play these forward balls.


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If anybody is interested tonights game starts at 6pm but more important Emmerdale's on at 7pm and should entertain you more :1laughter: or TG My Little Pony's on CBBC, enjoy.


Oops I meant tomorrows game :20hospitals:


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Some very decent teams in danger of finishing 3rd in their champions league group and therefore dropping in to the Europa league. Dortmund, athletico madrid, seville, Napoli. I wouldn't fancy us against any of those. When was the last time we kept a clean sheet in the home leg of a 2 leg knock out tie?


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Looking at the Alexis and Özil scenarios. Why would they both agree to a transfer in January? The fees paid will be low. Even if their contracts contain a clause that entitles them to a percentage of the transfer fee the amount would be low. I know Alexis will probably get a big wage rise and assume for the half year it might amount to say 3-4mil but by waiting until July he would easily get a bonus of double or triple that for signing on a free. As for Özil he is a fit for a very limited number of teams.

I don't think selling them will be anywhere as easy as some think. As for replacements I see Benzama mentioned again. I can't say I have ever been that impressed by him. What do others think of him.

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Post #476730  Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:23 am 

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Looking at the Alexis and Özil scenarios. Why would they both agree to a transfer in January? The fees paid will be low. Even if their contracts contain a clause that entitles them to a percentage of the transfer fee the amount would be low. I know Alexis will probably get a big wage rise and assume for the half year it might amount to say 3-4mil but by waiting until July he would easily get a bonus of double or triple that for signing on a free. As for Özil he is a fit for a very limited number of teams.

I don't think selling them will be anywhere as easy as some think. As for replacements I see Benzama mentioned again. I can't say I have ever been that impressed by him. What do others think of him.

Depends how much the signing on fee is a direct relationship to the transfer fee rather than an incentive to join one club rather than its competitors? There are strong rumours Mamnchester United want Özil. Mourinho likes him from their time together at Real Madrid. Also, Sanchez and Özil both have an incenttive to leave in January to bring their chances of winners medals forward a season and to get away from Wenger six months earlier. Saw a headline that Pires said Özil is disappointed with Wenger's unwillingness to strengthen our squad.


  
 
 
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Looking at the Alexis and Özil scenarios. Why would they both agree to a transfer in January? The fees paid will be low. Even if their contracts contain a clause that entitles them to a percentage of the transfer fee the amount would be low. I know Alexis will probably get a big wage rise and assume for the half year it might amount to say 3-4mil but by waiting until July he would easily get a bonus of double or triple that for signing on a free. As for Özil he is a fit for a very limited number of teams.

I don't think selling them will be anywhere as easy as some think. As for replacements I see Benzama mentioned again. I can't say I have ever been that impressed by him. What do others think of him.

Depends how much the signing on fee is a direct relationship to the transfer fee rather than an incentive to join one club rather than its competitors? There are strong rumours Mamnchester United want Özil. Mourinho likes him from their time together at Real Madrid. Also, Sanchez and Özil both have an incenttive to leave in January to bring their chances of winners medals forward a season and to get away from Wenger six months earlier. Saw a headline that Pires said Özil is disappointed with Wenger's unwillingness to strengthen our squad.

Özil's not the only one disappointed. I suppose if City are still top and Sanchez gets a call he might think he can get a winners medal.

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Jack and Charlie Nicholas both agree that Deeney's comments were out of order.

Still what do I know about football and the Arsenal TG the nappy king knows all huh.

Talk about dope on a rope............................


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Jack and Charlie Nicholas both agree that Deeney's comments were out of order.

Still what do I know about football and the Arsenal TG the nappy king knows all huh.

Talk about dope on a rope............................

Out of order - but true

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Ah those bastions of wisdom Jack Wilshere and Charlie Nicholas eh. I bet they sit up many a night debating biological evolution and the benefits of the European single currency


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Ah those bastions of wisdom Jack Wilshere and Charlie Nicholas eh. I bet they sit up many a night debating biological evolution and the benefits of the European single currency


You are such a condescending little brat. They are just two professionals amongst thousands that probably agree with them but you just want to bitch about AW's team when it is unfair to do so.

Are you sure you're a true gooner not a paper one..................


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Ah those bastions of wisdom Jack Wilshere and Charlie Nicholas eh. I bet they sit up many a night debating biological evolution and the benefits of the European single currency


Very condescending.

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Čech, Debuchy (!!!), Elneny, Holding, Nelson, Coquelin, Willock, Maitland-Niles, Walcott, Wilshere, Giroud.

Back 3 with Elneny and Holding, Debuchy ?
Looks like Maitland-Niles and Nelson at wing back.
Coq, Jack mf with Willock, Theo and Giroud up top?
Just guessing the formation there.


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Disjointed Arsenal. Huff and Puff, huff and puff .... to nowhere

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Can anyone help me? Trying to think of a more overrated, more highly paid (pro rata) player in Arsenal’s history than Walcott?

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Pretty drab game with an uninspiring team. Huge lack of quality from both sides. I don't like the 3 at the back when we don't have the specialist players in the back 5 positions. You need proper wing backs who bomb on and provide the width when attacking, and centre backs who are comfortable bringing the ball out and firing sharp passes in to the attacking players.

This is the sort of game that if we score first I have little hope in us keeping them out, but if they score first I have little hope of us raising our game to get back in to it. Basically every away game at the moment.


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Arsenal is so uninspiring nowadays. Lots of possession, but because of square and back passes. Paid to be safe players.

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I feel like I type this every match but how often does the opposition clear a corner and it drops to one of their players rather than us and they start a counter attack? To me it seems that our players just follow the ball irrespective of whether they have a realistic chance of winning it, there is zero anticipation of there the second ball will land and no one is ever in any sort of decent position on the edge of the box to restart the attack.

It is such a simple thing.


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The sad thing is that I think our best 11 minus Özil and Sanchez play exactly like this and struggle to create any sort of chance or shot at goal. So uninspiring.


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I actually enjoy watching these cup teams more than the first team.
Nelson has done well, remember he's only 17. Jack has had some good moments and Debuchy has played well also considering how long he's been out.
Giroud has been poor and Walcott useless.


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Another back pass when the offensive play is on. Frustrating .......

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The Serbian defender just clouted Coq in the face. Deserved red.


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Red Star down to 10 men. 10 minutes of normal time, plus added time, which should be at least 4. Not sure it was a second yellow, Coq went down hurt and probably helped the ref bring out the second yellow.

So, what are we going to do in these 14 or so minutes. Big chance to win it, I'd take off one of the CB and get on Akpom to play off Giroud.


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Oh Giroud, for such a big guy you have such a delicate touch at times. Lovely overhead kick for 1-0


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Deserved that. Giroouuuuuddd :53big-emoticons:


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Good goal from Giroud, assisted by Walcott. This is down to the good play of Wilshere.

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Watching that again and it is by absolute miles the classiest piece of all round play in the game.
Wilshere turns and gets away from 3 players, plays it wide to walcott back in to wilshere who flicks it first time through to walcott again who gets up and nods it back to Giroud who swivels and volleys it over his shoulder in to the top corner


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You just know tha Theo - Hi Guys - had his eyes closed for that header.

Jack over Özil for me. Maybe not always but now, obvious.


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FT 0-1. One moment or real quality won it.

Wilshere clear MOTM again for me.


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You just know tha Theo - Hi Guys - had his eyes closed for that header.

Jack over Özil for me. Maybe not always but now, obvious.


Agree 100%. It's just Wenger who feels he needs to keep Özil productive. Ironically, he is not productive on the field.

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FT 0-1. One moment or real quality won it.

Wilshere clear MOTM again for me.


And that moment was possible with a one man advantage. Worrying times for Arsenal. We can't penetrate with pace. We are too slow in our build-ups. The players have been coached to allow back-passes as part of an offensive move. And, as a consequence, we do too much of that. They are allowed to play safe football.

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Worth noting Sheaf made his first team debut tonight. I don't follow the youth teams as much as some on here but I read the match reports and other people's thoughts and Sheaf always seems highly thought of.

Whatever our problems at the moment, getting 9 from 9 in Europa with 2 of those away in eastern europe - all with make shift teams to rest the first team is decent going. Everton are playing a lot more first team players tonight so we have to take advantage on Sunday, either with a fast start or a fast finish when their legs tire - or preferably both!


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Jack over Özil for me. Maybe not always but now, obvious.

Amen to that.

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After that display from Jack he has to get more playing time in the first team, his turn from those 3 players leading to the goal, and his give and go was brilliant. Pleasantly surprised by Debuchy as well.


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Imo the reason we don't push forward and prefer to pass the ball side to side is that our players have stopped making themselves available for passes.

Watched Liverpool on Saturday and in the first half they were fantastic at moving the ball forward as are Man City,
Watch them next time they play and see what I mean before you write this off as cant.


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Jack over Özil for me. Maybe not always but now, obvious.

Amen to that.


I think we'll see a line up featuring all of Xhaka, Ramsey, Özil and Wilshere soon.


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