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Post #485481  Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:29 am 

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I completely understand that many blame Wenger for the malaise which has engulfed the club for many years now, but lets not forget the role of the board who could and should have fired him whenever THEY wanted. Also, lets not forget that the football landscape in the premier league has changed beyond recognition and despite some obvious positive changes overall it has lead to a more sanitised and commercialised experience which has killed a lot of what being a supporter was about.

Absolutely , their as guilty too and I hope fans never forget this either, but now they haven’t got that Wenger shaped shield ( to quote arseblog) to hide behind , and they should be judged on who they hire and how they support him , also we get to see Kroenke with a different manager finally

I agree with you both. But I firmly believe Kroenke without Wenger is better than Kroenke with Wenger.

Goonie, I doubt Bould has any real chance of getting the job. Moreover, I don't think he should.


  
 
 
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I am on the same view as you that he was sacked. A number of articles suggest the same - as an e.g.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/p ... 65892c2332

It would explain the Gazidis press conference and the wording used. Also Wenger is quoted as saying 'After careful consideration and following discussions with the club, I feel it is the right time for me to step down at the end of the season.' Following discussions with the club... hmmm.

If he was sacked then it shows he still never got it and was never thinking of the club or fans.

Some of the nonsense being written and said about him is getting to embarrassing stages - embarrassing for those saying or writing the twaddle. I acknowledge he was a great and innovative manager and introduced new ideas to us and the league. He had some of the greatest Arsenal teams and players but a great leader knows when to go and when he cannot inspire any longer. I think he was one of our greatest managers but when you average his achievements over 21 years not our greatest. You cannot isolate part of his time at the club to justify such comments.

People talking about singing 'theres only one one Arsene Wenger' for the rest of the season. Really, at least half of those people would be ones who wanted him out - bit of guilt perhaps. Give him a clap on the last day, if you really must, but if he was sacked his cheque should make him feel a little better.

I never want to see him have an other position with the club.

It seems to me that the supporters who have only ever known Wenger are more likely to want to laud him and elevate him to a god. Those older fans have seen a number of managers and just want to get on with it. At least some of our players may put in some real efforts from here on to impress the manager to be.

The test for me is the Atletico and Man U games. Personally, and many will not like this, I would ask Bould to run the team for the remainder of the season because I don't think Wengers head will be in the right place. Assuming he was sacked, I am a great believer in marching the person out of the door then and there. They do more damage staying. Sorry if this offends the sensibilties of those who wanted him out but now feel guilty - grow some.

To OMOH and Goonie who remained steadfast in wanting Wenger to remain- I admire your resolve and hope you are both okay.


Still time for the board and Wenger to make a u-turn on that decision. :1laughter:

Yes, when they start interviewing candidates for the job and they say - well I need 150mil this season and 200 mil next to change the players they will probably starting dialing Wenger's number.

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Still time for the board and Wenger to make a u-turn on that decision. :1laughter:

Yes, when they start interviewing candidates for the job and they say - well I need 150mil this season and 200 mil next to change the players they will probably starting dialing Wenger's number.


I hope we don't get a cheque book manager... prefer someone who can first and foremost organise our defenders and midfielders into a cohesive defensive unit without parking the bus. I think likes of Xhaka, Elneny, Holding, Chambers, Kolasinac, Bellerin and Mustafi are all capable of being coached to make us meaner defensively. Augmenting the squad with a new GK, a couple defenders and a couple of midfielders should be sufficient for next season.


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Post #485484  Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:30 am 
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Goonie, I doubt Bould has any real chance of getting the job. Moreover, I don't think he should.


Seems like he'd be staying as assistant manager. Wish he would be more ambitious - put his name into the hat and come up with interesting proposal to push the club forward. I'm sure he has ideas to do that and with his intimate knowledge of what's going on at the club presently, the rebuilding process can be jumpstart quicker.


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Arsene Wenger is a legend. Those years of 98-04 we will never see the likes of again. He lifted Arsenal to a level none of us had ever seen before and clearly couldn't be replicated in the recent post Highbury years. Will it ever? Doubt it. We saw peak Arsenal in our lifetime.



I will always "love" Arsene Wenger.
You Sir, are an idiot!

A complete and utter idiot.

You're the kid at school who was "The Milk Monitor".
It sounds good at first, but fairly quickly everyone can see the real purpose of this "Title".

You are the Damien Duff in the Duff/Robben combo.

You "alleged" Arsenal fans can do one!

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Post #485486  Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:23 am 
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Yes, when they start interviewing candidates for the job and they say - well I need 150mil this season and 200 mil next to change the players they will probably starting dialing Wenger's number.


I hope we don't get a cheque book manager... prefer someone who can first and foremost organise our defenders and midfielders into a cohesive defensive unit without parking the bus. I think likes of Xhaka, Elneny, Holding, Chambers, Kolasinac, Bellerin and Mustafi are all capable of being coached to make us meaner defensively. Augmenting the squad with a new GK, a couple defenders and a couple of midfielders should be sufficient for next season.

I am with you on this. Give them all an opportunity, but more importantly work with each individually and collectively and if they fail at the end of next season they are for sale. i suspect like Bernard, yourself and others there are some very good players in our ranks who in a well balanced, defensively coached team will improve significantly.

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The thing that will always puzzle me about Wenger is how someone so intelligent could fail to see the obvious failings of his teams when they were practically staring him in the face and, given the vast resources at his disposal, fail to address them in any meaningful way.

He could have appointed a defensive coach, given Bould the role or used the experience of Keown, Dixon or Winterburn, and allowed them carte blanche to sort out our defensive organisational issues. Instead it just feels like he was either completely oblivious to the inherent problems or delusional in thinking that he could build a competitive team without proper regard to the defensive side of the game.

He didn't need to spend tens of millions to upgrade his coaching staff to better reflect the needs of a modern day superclub and then delegate some of his workload to those better equipped and more willing to work on the defence.


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The thing that will always puzzle me about Wenger is how someone so intelligent could fail to see the obvious failings of his teams when they were practically staring him in the face and, given the vast resources at his disposal, fail to address them in any meaningful way.

He could have appointed a defensive coach, given Bould the role or used the experience of Keown, Dixon or Winterburn, and allowed them carte blanche to sort out our defensive organisational issues. Instead it just feels like he was either completely oblivious to the inherent problems or delusional in thinking that he could build a competitive team without proper regard to the defensive side of the game.

He didn't need to spend tens of millions to upgrade his coaching staff to better reflect the needs of a modern day superclub and then delegate some of his workload to those better equipped and more willing to work on the defence.


Exactly, as I amongst others has been saying for years, many years.


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The thing that will always puzzle me about Wenger is how someone so intelligent could fail to see the obvious failings of his teams when they were practically staring him in the face and, given the vast resources at his disposal, fail to address them in any meaningful way.

I think he is a hostage to his ideals. To properly sort the defence out would require compromising his attaching principles.


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Post #485490  Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:01 am 
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Abandoned the club before a European semi.

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And to anyone who is thinking of honouring the great man today...

This is the creepy *%^@ who took my girl-friend, a London girl with a Military background, and whooed her with french lace, "french" "champagne", and vegetarian cuisine, taught her a few very sexy moves, took her to the bright lights of the European Stage....

...and then pimped her arse out to any fat barstard with enough cash, to let them spunk all over her, in every orifice, abuse her in the most disgusting ways imaginable, so that she became the dishevelled, laughing stock we see before us now.

Respect? Please. No!

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This is plain savage and bloody hysterical. You've rattled off 3 or 4 world class posts there since you've been back Babs. I demand your permanent return to this platform now Wengers gone.


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And to anyone who is thinking of honouring the great man today...

This is the creepy *%^@ who took my girl-friend, a London girl with a Military background, and whooed her with french lace, "french" "champagne", and vegetarian cuisine, taught her a few very sexy moves, took her to the bright lights of the European Stage....

...and then pimped her arse out to any fat barstard with enough cash, to let them spunk all over her, in every orifice, abuse her in the most disgusting ways imaginable, so that she became the dishevelled, laughing stock we see before us now.

Respect? Please. No!

:laughing7:

This is plain savage and bloody hysterical. You've rattled off 3 or 4 world class posts there since you've been back Babs. I demand your permanent return to this platform now Wengers gone.

Each to their own I suppose but a bit too nasty and vulgar for my taste.

As someone else said he didn't provide my best Arsenal memories, Anfield 89 can never be beaten in my mind. But what he did do was to make Arsenal a club that was expected to compete for trophies consistently. And it was because of this he found himself under relentless attack over the past few seasons. A victim of his own success really. I just wish he'd pissed off 4 or 5 years ago.


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Abandoned the club before a European semi.

http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/sport ... -1-5486661


PSG, Real or Chelsea even?


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TOP GUN wrote:
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And to anyone who is thinking of honouring the great man today...

This is the creepy *%^@ who took my girl-friend, a London girl with a Military background, and whooed her with french lace, "french" "champagne", and vegetarian cuisine, taught her a few very sexy moves, took her to the bright lights of the European Stage....

...and then pimped her arse out to any fat barstard with enough cash, to let them spunk all over her, in every orifice, abuse her in the most disgusting ways imaginable, so that she became the dishevelled, laughing stock we see before us now.

Respect? Please. No!

:laughing7:

This is plain savage and bloody hysterical. You've rattled off 3 or 4 world class posts there since you've been back Babs. I demand your permanent return to this platform now Wengers gone.


Babu, have you been at the acid, buddy? I would advice you to lay off before you permanently fry your brain.

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Gary Neville grinning at Arsenes interview saying he went down the win the next game line. He's right if he hadn't been sacked he would have been able to provide a more concise explanation rather than ducking the question still.


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AW playing his best team possible ie the team that will or should meet Athletico on Thursday. Aubameyang benched.


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Missed something. Ospina playing not Čech............


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This defence is so porous I worry about Thursday.

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Ranieri at the game . Nice shoe in for a few seasons?


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The thing that will always puzzle me about Wenger is how someone so intelligent could fail to see the obvious failings of his teams when they were practically staring him in the face and, given the vast resources at his disposal, fail to address them in any meaningful way.

He could have appointed a defensive coach, given Bould the role or used the experience of Keown, Dixon or Winterburn, and allowed them carte blanche to sort out our defensive organisational issues. Instead it just feels like he was either completely oblivious to the inherent problems or delusional in thinking that he could build a competitive team without proper regard to the defensive side of the game.

He didn't need to spend tens of millions to upgrade his coaching staff to better reflect the needs of a modern day superclub and then delegate some of his workload to those better equipped and more willing to work on the defence.


Because he’s not the personality type to delegate And not have complete control


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boring boring Arsenal

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The problem with Arsenal Truth that Pete quotes, is that he sees all Arsenal's ills in a vacuum, disregarding the impact of larger and more powerful trends. We've all had our say on Wenger's failings and achievements and no doubt will continue to do so, but most of the problems we have with modern football have very little to do with our manager.

As both Pete & Daz and no doubt others have found, smaller clubs with smaller budgets, more modest ambitions and a genuine relationship with their fan base are in many cases more fun and more satisfying to watch, as they do allow us to feel and experience some of the things that made us fall in love with Arsenal 30/40/50 years ago. It all feels so removed, and as such Arsenal fans have by definition become spectators over supporters. How much is this is the money-go-round of the Premier League? Certainly a lot of fans find the English top flight a less satisfying experience than in days gone by, which also reflects on the different priorities in player development (technique so often over character), the internationalisation of the game in England, the wages, the prices, the distance of the board (ours more than anyone)...


Whilst arsenal truth is pretty brutal , the fact is it has called the power crazed megalomania of Wenger’s situation for years and that he would hang on for his own needs pretty accurately imo, and also the damage it has caused to the fan base : and In the end most began to see this, the wider ills of football are a wider issue, as you know we’re not going to agree on the financial stuff regarding Wenger because too many things contradict this which we’ve done to death ; and now doesnt matter anymore anyway

Sure the alternative football experience thing applies as you say , although in my case the club have ended up in the premier league ( and look like staying there, at least for this season ) so some of the issues are the same . Having said that what BHA went through 20 years ago , has created a great bond between club - fan base and city which hopefully will last for a long time whatever happened on the pitch


Totally hear you about BHA.

Re Arsenal Truth - we'll never agree as I think anyone who is deliberately controversial in some of their opinions who then invites blog comments but blocks and deletes those that disagree or contradict too much is a prize a******. Also I've never read a remotely positive article re anything to do with the club in any way on his site.

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Maybe in the same way Donald Trump has continued the campaign rallies after he has been elected we should continue with the Wenger out protests after he's gone. Character building for our fans


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Must have been a great ht talk from Wenger. Totally different game.

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Jesus Lee Mason is such a poor poor ref. Just doesn't understand the game at all.

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Harsh yellow that for Niles!

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Great strike unstoppable

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Great strike unstoppable

Wenger out !


Twisting the knife? You bad :icon_mrgreen:

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Wenger should have got a hand to it on reflection. West Ham on top here get PEA on pronto

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Useless Iwobi substituted, about time.

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WestHam channeled our defence for that one !


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Comedy goal!! :1laughter: 2-1


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Lucky goal there. Ramsey ran his guts out to get there. That's what you get for taking a shot, you might score !

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Lacazette !

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Lacazette. Nice. 3-1

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