For his height Havertz is easily pushed pff the ball.

Yeah that was weak

Disappointing performance and disappointing result.

Sad to say we did not deserve to win this. Sloppy and our finishing was weak.

Just knew when merson opened his big gob that things would go wrong. Now multiple injuries and a stuttering mess.

That’s just so frustrating. No luck, (Martinelli, Trossard big misses and Rice off at half time) but no brains or finishing either. We’re going to be second this year at best looks like.

It’s a top 5 for the champions league, so at least momentum for the squad is good, but at this point Havertz looks a like a flop to me. I’m just going to say it. Poor buy for the money and it matters because he was supposed to be a big piece of this team.

You might say he’ll come good as I was waiting for, but we’re in the business of trying to win the title, not develop players for the future at the cost of that.

Club momentum a little checked from last season. So frustrating to see.

On this evidence, City will be out of sight shortly. A battle for top four looms. I know it's almost a hanging offence to criticise Arteta with some, but the failure to bring in a proven goalscorer is looking criminal. You would think it should have been a greater priority than getting a goalkeeper on loan or splashing 65 million on an ineffectual Chelsea reject.

Not a bad game for him, I thought.

Saliba and Gabs had good games. Saka on fire for the first half but you have to take him off when he's clearly knackered.

Surely Nelson has to start instead of Nketiah?

I hope Rice and Vieira's injuries are minor.

People may lament the lack of desire at the end but that midweek game looked like it told in the legs at the end of a 100mph game.

Finished with a front 3 of nelsen, Nketiah, esr- that’s at least 4 players out, plus Rice, plus Partey, plus Timber….it showed

Terrible performance.

Where was the energy and intensity. Spurs being allowed to play through us.

Nketiah was a complete passenger and should have been subbed off but the truth is, as Alan Smith said in commentary, we don't have a worldclass CF to lead the line.

Havertz won some balls in the air when he came on but he looks like a fish out of water in midfield.

Ødegaard just wasn't able to get on the ball.

I've been thinking it for a while but I think the explosiveness of last season has largely gone and we are too ponderous in possession.

I think we also saw the effects of midweek CL games, we lost control of the game in the 2nd half and looked leggy.

We are not challenging City any time soon playing like we did today.

Finally, Jesus has to score that chance to make it 2-0.

Why do players always get injured playing for Arsenal?. Rice barely missed a game for West Ham.

Too many disruptions to our prefered first 11 which started to result in a lack of composure. Plus the new manager bounce Sperz have at the moment meant we couldnt relax in the second half. The glaringly obvious missing peice in our team is a dominating striker. Eddie particularly just isnt at that level. No point getting too disappointed with the draw because we had a lot of players unavailable.

Arteta will be furious with the lack of control. For me we got drawn in to the chaos of the game and when we got it we wanted to go too quickly and too direct and didn’t build pressure.

Not many good performances. Also really disappointed how we didn’t get after their 3 on yellows a bit more.

God knows how Romero stayed on the pitch. He had the standard early one through the back of a striker, handball to stop a shot near the line and a grab of Jesus that eventually got him a card.

As anonymous as Nketiah and Vieira were and will get stick for, Ødegaard had his worst game for a long time

That's why you don't wait until the 96th minute to bring on Emile Smith Rowe, surely?

Not a good day at the office for Arteta.

3 games in 8 days
NLD
It was always a bit of a banana skin
Jesus should have put us two up when he robbed Madison and Jorginho’s error killed the momentum after we go in front
We looked tired at the end but kept going …although they always worried me on the break
Rest them all against Brentford and try to ick it up again next week against Bournemouth

Our injury issues are puzzling.

We've already lost Timber for most of the season, Jesus just back from injury, Partey out for a sustained period, Martinelli out for a while, possibly Trossard too and now Rice and Vieira.

If Arteta didn’t think Jesus could last the 90 then Havertz at CF would have made much more sense.

In slight defence of it though if he’d had Martinelli and Trossard and didn’t have other players coming off injuries he’d have had more choice.

Jesus still looked the most likely way we’d score, he’s dangerous from the left but better as a striker. I’d have rather seen Nelsen start left wing and Jesus striker

Scary isn’t it
Not out of September and we look a touch stretched squad wise
Was Rice injured? Commentary over here wasn’t sure and thought he was fuming on the bench

I agree Rich, take Nketiah off and put Jesus down the middle with Nelson wide.

Nketiah has looked way off the last couple of games he's played.

Spurs got us at a great time. After a midweek match when they had a full weeks rest and numerous injuries before, in the build up and during the game.

Injuries are a real worry.

I want us to go for all 4 comps this year but these injuries mean we need to go full reserves and youth v Brentford in the league cup. Anyone even close to starting the City game shouldn’t be anywhere near the pitch.

How nice for City to have Forest at home after their European game

Calf injury, had strapping on it

Raya was not good today either, his kicking under pressure was poor.

Ok thanks

With the squad we have and the injuries we keep racking up its hard to see us coping with CL and PL games. We gave City a bit of a run last season but they were involved in 3 competitions whilst we were effectively playing 1 game a week and starting mostly the same team in every game.

A 4-0 home win in the CL is as good as any training session. It's only September. If we are tired now, we will be dead by March. Spurs were there for the taking in that first half and we didn't press home our obvious superiority. Second half was just sloppy. Also, we are conceding far too many goals at home. I honestly don't like the Zinchenko thing. Yes it allows us to have long periods of possession but it asks an awful lot of the other 3 defenders when facing a good attacking side.

He made a brilliant save but also made a mistake for the first goal when he palmed the ball out. He's clearly Arteta's No.1 though.

Arteta has now said it was a back injury for Rice.

If there is any doubt then rest him v Bournemouth and Brentford and get him back for City. For once City are going to be missing really key players, I’d love is to be full strength……all may be futile though as City just look like a machine who will steamroller their way to the title. If they beat us we’re probably already in the situation where we want them to beat all the other top 6 teams

having a swift ale at waterloo so a few thoughts

the idea to play Jesus left was *%^@*** stupid as it made our left flank weird. Then Eddie has one of those games where he just runs around pretending to look busy. Honestly bin him off and get Toney.

yes zinny, aesthetically pleasing on the eye but ineffective overall and particularly in defence where he sits off his winger expecting a team mate to bail him out.

raya, we’ll i’m glad Soc said it rather than me. To my critical eye he doesn’t really look the mentality monster distributor everyone is saying expecting, am i wrong ? He looks slightly better than Ramsdale at coming for crosses but from the 3 games i have seen nothing to suggest he’s an upgrade of any kind.

saliba, bloke just bails us out of trouble over and over

yes, we probably would have won if we had Trossard or gabby fit.

oh look Sakas leg is hanging off let’s not bother subbing him.

jorginho, yes that’s the most stupid cock up i can recall in a derby in some time. row z mate. worst possible timing too

well that’s it. sour grapes ? yep. massive bunches of em.

Agreed that PSV was as easy on the legs as it could be but I think there is an element of mental fatigue and emotional fatigue. We’re still too much of a young team who can struggle to manage games and kill games, make them fast or slow depending on what we want.

I thought for 35 mins we were the better side, then it was far more even after that. We didn’t make the most of them being under pressure playing from the back and couldn’t keep up that relentless pressure and pace. It was most like we had to win the game in the first half hour today

i do not expect these foggin standards ..

except up front where there’s just an absence of options.

I thought Neville on co comms was worse than ever today. He was going to great lengths and desperation to say that Romero’s penalty handball wasn’t handball! I mean I know we all have trouble with the consistency but if those start not being given as handball then we should give up. It was as clear as you’d want but Neville is there telling people to slide on their carpet at home and see where their hand goes and was suggesting the hand was close to the body. It was like having spurs tv on co comms today

Saka had his guy Udogie on the ropes in the first half. He was on yellow but Saka did not try and draw him into another foul.

Too many needless goals at home once again this season.

Spurs first was the consequence of pressure, Raya should do better with the cross and Saka let Maddison beat him too easily but you can find a defensive mistake in every goal if you want. I’m looking at the disastrous mistakes, Fulham first goal, Fulham second leaving a bouncing ball corner free to come in the box, spurs second today, man u’s goal was a poor pass to give them the counter, forests goal was a good counter.

Trying to take the emotion out of it coz Im 51 and well past getting too upset by football, and I know its THEM innit? But whatever.

To my eye, the Jesus miss is as bad as Jorge's blunder. They're both goals, one we should have, one we shouldn't be giving up. 2-0 and that game is probably different coz thats a long way back for them.

Ange-ball or whatever the bell-ends are calling it looks like a lot of running around to me, which is something for Spurs coz they haven't done that for years. They had a few other chances but not much really. Considering we gifted them their 2nd and helped out quite a bit for their first there isn't really that much going on there. By the same token, what did we do? Own goal + Penalty (why no red card for that by the way? The ball is going in, right?). We didn't exactly set the world alight.

We were quite leggy, had a lot of injuries to key players, muffed our lines, played averagely, didn't look like losing, didn't really look like winning either. Best not to get too upset after 6 games. Loooong way to go. A nice 12 match winning streak around December/January and it will all be rosey. Stay in the hunt, Haaland might get injured y'know?

Mr Positivity signing off....

Just back. Read nothing here so excuse me if I repeat other views.

We looked jaded. That’s what midweek CL fixtures do. They may be relatively straightforward but they are intense and they suck out the energy.

Our right side never got going and one has to credit Udogie for that. Good player. They seemed to pin White in his own half most of the time and rendered him pretty ineffective. We rely so much on the Saka - Ødegaard - White combination to create but today, it didn’t happen. Got the impression white had a mare.

Our left side just didn’t work. Without Martinelli or Trossard, we are diminished.

Ødegaard got himself booked for demanding a card for a player who was going to get booked anyway. Dumb. He was half the player after.

Jorginho *%^@** up big time but didn’t play badly. Raya was ok: not sure he did enough to get dropped. Eddie faded. Jesus need to be central.

Saliba is a monster.

On the bright side, we didn’t lose.

We aren’t going to win anything with Nketiah as our first choice cf.

It’s as simple as that to me.

He is just not good enough.

I’d be interested to hear the explanation why Romero want given a red card for stopping a goal bound shot with a handball a mere 2-3 yards from the line and the gk nowhere near to save it.
At least a booking for denying such a good chance of a goal.

There was also a decent shout for a penalty right at the end when Udogie had his arm above his head challenging for a header and the ball hit his arm, possibly only the very slightest contact from Gabriel before it hits Udogies arm saves him. If it went straight on his arm it’s a nailed on penalty

The left 8 position needs fixing too. Havertz looks better up front to be honest and Vieira was bypassed in the frantic nature of the game - he suits games against lower teams that we dominate.

Can Emile Smith Rowe do a job there? Can Trossard?

Whatever we do it feels like a round peg in a very Xhaka shaped square hole right now