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Giroud to West Ham? Hmmm...he's done well at Chelsea but he is 32 and West Ham is the place old pros go to die. lol

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Most old pros have been going to the MLS to die out. :angel8:

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Is Bayern Munich doing their best Trump impression and calling the German media fake news? lol

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I'm totally convinced we are set for World domination now.... :bs:

Really irks me when they pull out this nonsense about values, history and tradition, none of this has anything to do with Kroenke wanting to feather his already bloated nest which is what the self-sustaining model is really all about.

Good luck this season (because of the fans and a lesser extent the players) but I'd be a liar if I said I cared that much anymore, I like to treat people as they treat myself and we all know what Stan and co. think of us.

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A lot of fans (and I count myself among them) don't really know exactly what Emery's tactics are.


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A lot of fans (and I count myself among them) don't really know exactly what Emery's tactics are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myrOjVMEAds

I might be able to help you there. It is to win as many games & trophies as possible. No matter what it takes. You were probably too young for George Graham but I loved that winning feeling & if we could choke other teams to achieve it all the better. If you can achieve these aims with great football - brilliant but I still would rather win a game than have someone console me with - played well.

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Naughty Warrior, very naughty. :99big-emoticons:

Hmmm...what if Wenger joined a mega club, became wildly successful winning the CL in his first or 2nd season. I wonder how the gooners (myself included) who wanted him out would feel that he should have been given a bit more time.


If he kept to the same philosophy in managing these mega teams, expect these teams to go backwards. If he changed his tack and became successful, then I'll call him a hypocrite. He stuck to his philosophy as if he can never bend his principles, and for that, the club and fans suffered.

The more time he had at Arsenal, the worse we will become. Stan and him is not a good formula.

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I think Wenger's biggest asset is that he is a very smart man. I'd love to know his IQ and that's his biggest problem. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else and therefore doesn't need to rely on any other information than his own intelligence and thoughts.

I hope this time away from Arsenal and day to day football has made him think about what he did wrong and the strength to change if or when he is given the opportunity to manage again.


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I think Wenger's biggest asset is that he is a very smart man. I'd love to know his IQ and that's his biggest problem. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else and therefore doesn't need to rely on any other information than his own intelligence and thoughts.

A high IQ, if Wenger has one, can be perfectly compatible with making bad decisions. I'd say the arrogant attitude you describe in the paragraph above, which is likely to lead to bad decisions, is compatible with pig-headed stupidity as much as intelligence.


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I'm totally convinced we are set for World domination now.... :bs:

Really irks me when they pull out this nonsense about values, history and tradition, none of this has anything to do with Kroenke wanting to feather his already bloated nest which is what the self-sustaining.


How can the club harp on about values whilst forcing their smaller shareholders which were all lifelong supporters to sell their shares. They didn’t have to exercise this right and knew some of those shares had been in the club for decades and were treasured.

Anything they say from this point onwards about values and tradition is bollocks when you consider they did this. It means nothing

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How can the club harp on about values whilst forcing their smaller shareholders which were all lifelong supporters to sell their shares. They didn’t have to exercise this right and knew some of those shares had been in the club for decades and were treasured.

Anything they say from this point onwards about values and tradition is bollocks when you consider they did this. It means nothing

As someone who had to sell up, I agree with you Top Gun. Also, Wilts made a good point. The self-sustaining strategy has more to do with Kroenke not having to sink his own money into the club more than sustaining long-term values.


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Lads, you are essentially complaining about capitalism. Top level football has been big business for decades. Man City and Chelsea are the outliers here, not Arsenal. That's not to say that I don't have sympathy for you, Bernard, I do. But as you know, the markets don't work on sentiment.

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Lads, you are essentially complaining about capitalism. Top level football has been big business for decades. Man City and Chelsea are the outliers here, not Arsenal. That's not to say that I don't have sympathy for you, Bernard, I do. But as you know, the markets don't work on sentiment.

What you say is true Dec but it does make it even more sick-making that the club are banging on about ‘history and tradition’.


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I liked him at one point but glad we never got Morata. Chelsea up 1-0 and Mourinho may be gone by Xmas if results keep going against him. No one expecting Man Utd to win but he has to leave with a draw.


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dec wrote:
Lads, you are essentially complaining about capitalism. Top level football has been big business for decades. Man City and Chelsea are the outliers here, not Arsenal. That's not to say that I don't have sympathy for you, Bernard, I do. But as you know, the markets don't work on sentiment.


This scenario has nothing to do with capitalism. A small group of minor shareholders and lifelong arsenal fans can do nothing to affect his decision making and how he runs the club. So why then force them to sell their shares ? It’s peanuts to someone like Kroenke. An irrelevance.

And also fair enough if you do it however don’t give the big one about upholding tradition and values after doing it as you look something of a hypocrite and turd burglar to boot.

Just saying we need to just accept this stuff is like taking a dump in your hand and then slapping yourself and just shrugging oh well that’s life.

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Lads, you are essentially complaining about capitalism. Top level football has been big business for decades. Man City and Chelsea are the outliers here, not Arsenal. That's not to say that I don't have sympathy for you, Bernard, I do. But as you know, the markets don't work on sentiment.


This scenario has nothing to do with capitalism. A small group of minor shareholders and lifelong arsenal fans can do nothing to affect his decision making and how he runs the club. So why then force them to sell their shares ? It’s peanuts to someone like Kroenke. An irrelevance.

And also fair enough if you do it however don’t give the big one about upholding tradition and values after doing it as you look something of a hypocrite and turd burglar to boot.

Just saying we need to just accept this stuff is like taking a dump in your hand and then slapping yourself and just shrugging oh well that’s life.

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jesus. Man U have been utter garbage but 2-1 up. Chelsea good for 45 and the woeful once Man Utd stacked their right to defend (shutting down Hazard).

Getting interesting now.


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jesus. Man U have been utter garbage but 2-1 up. Chelsea good for 45 and the woeful once Man Utd stacked their right to defend (shutting down Hazard).

Getting interesting now.


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Mourinho. What a *%^@. Aww didums someone rang through the technical area. Commentators going on and on about class despite everything that prick has done. Unbelievable.


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Mourinho. What a *%^@. Aww didums someone rang through the technical area. Commentators going on and on about class despite everything that prick has done. Unbelievable.

Just pantomime - but they should have let him get to that big bloke who ran past him - he would have been screaming 'hold me back!!'
Anyway, happy with the late equalizer, if we can manage to beat Leicester we go level with Chelsea and seven ahead of United.


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Didn't realise Reiss Nelson is only 18. Thought he's same age as AMN. It'd be fantastic if they and ESR become important squad players for us in the next couple of years.


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Anyway, happy with the late equalizer, if we can manage to beat Leicester we go level with Chelsea and seven ahead of United.

Must admit bromley, as much as I dislike Manchester United I wasn't happy about Chelsea's equaliser. For as long as Mourinho stays in post, I think we've got a much better chance of finishing above United than Chelsea.

Therefore I reckon it would be better for Arsenal, if we beat Leicester, to be one point ahead of Chelsea and five ahead of United (the scenario if we beat Leicester had Chelsea not equalised) than the scenario as it will be should we win tomorrow. Namely, level on points with Chelsea and seven ahead of United (as you pointed out).


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Anyway, happy with the late equalizer, if we can manage to beat Leicester we go level with Chelsea and seven ahead of United.

Must admit bromley, as much as I dislike Manchester United I wasn't happy about Chelsea's equaliser. For as long as Mourinho stays in post, I think we've got a much better chance of finishing above United than Chelsea.

Therefore I reckon it would be better for Arsenal, if we beat Leicester, to be one point ahead of Chelsea and five ahead of United (the scenario if we beat Leicester had Chelsea not equalised) than the scenario as it will be should we win tomorrow. Namely, level on points with Chelsea and seven ahead of United (as you pointed out).

I enjoyed their distress, but I would have to agree that United winning would have been better. If we are going to get fourth we have to finish above one of Chelsea or Spurs (penciling in Liverpool and City for top spots). I watched the Spurs game and I thought they looked very efficient--while West Ham did quite a lot Spurs looked that could easily take it up a gear or two. I still think Chelsea is our most likely direct rival.

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Sad for him. If not for injuries, he could have become one of the better players in the EPL. Always liked the fight he has in him.

But staying with Wenger just because Wenger has faith in him, will not make him a better player. I think Emery would make him a better player, in deploying him with the more appropriate tactical set-up. He would have instructed Jack to adjust his style according to the opposition too. Wenger is one dimensional (IMO).

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AG, can you send the link?

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Just finished watching it. Thanks for the link.

Wonderful to re-live the euphoria of that night. I recall screaming in the middle of the night after the game ended. My wife was awaken by it, but was happy to know Arsenal won it.

I had said this before, but not many would believe me. I won my office pool, and I think was the only person to predict an Arsenal victory. I even joked of a last-minute goal to win the championship. I think all other bets were on Liverpool. Those who were in the betting pool definitely recall this. Almost everyone was laughing at me and saying I was a fool to bet an Arsenal victory. I told them, "money where the mouth is" :laughing7:

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The game against Leicester & then Sporting is for me the first opportunity we will have to determine if Emery has began to turn around the club in relation to our mental toughness.

We need an EPL win just to maintain pace in the race for 4th & Sporting should be a win to maybe top the group. In past years these are the games we fail in. Mentally, Wenger would then cover for them - tired after the internationals, games too close together etc. so squeaky bum time has arrived. Have they really changed or will it be the same old story.

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The game against Leicester & then Sporting is for me the first opportunity we will have to determine if Emery has began to turn around the club in relation to our mental toughness.

We need an EPL win just to maintain pace in the race for 4th & Sporting should be a win to maybe top the group. In past years these are the games we fail in. Mentally, Wenger would then cover for them - tired after the internationals, games too close together etc. so squeaky bum time has arrived. Have they really changed or will it be the same old story.


Emery has personnel to rotate amongst. I trust he is more adept at it than Wenger.

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The game against Leicester & then Sporting is for me the first opportunity we will have to determine if Emery has began to turn around the club in relation to our mental toughness.

We need an EPL win just to maintain pace in the race for 4th & Sporting should be a win to maybe top the group. In past years these are the games we fail in. Mentally, Wenger would then cover for them - tired after the internationals, games too close together etc. so squeaky bum time has arrived. Have they really changed or will it be the same old story.


Emery has personnel to rotate amongst. I trust he is more adept at it than Wenger.

I will not be surprised if there is not much rotation this week. I don’t think Emery believes in the tiredness excuse. I think before the Fulham game he was asked about the squad being tired after travelling for the European game & he said no they should be fit enough.

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Hope I'm wrong but I've got a bad feeling about tonight's match. Me and the friend I sit with always give each other our pre-match predictions for the score. Mine is going to be 1-1. Can't explain why. I realise we've not only got better players than Leicester, but we're at home. Anything other than a win will be disappointing. I'm just expecting to be disappointed.


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Hope I'm wrong but I've got a bad feeling about tonight's match. Me and the friend I sit with always give each other our pre-match predictions for the score. Mine is going to be 1-1. Can't explain why. I realise we've not only got better players than Leicester, but we're at home. Anything other than a win will be disappointing. I'm just expecting to be disappointed.

Leicester haven't taken a point at Arsenal since 1995, and the previous one to that was 1975. This is one of our home bankers and I can only see an Arsenal win tonight by 2 goals or more.

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Leicester haven't taken a point at Arsenal since 1995, and the previous one to that was 1975. This is one of our home bankers and I can only see an Arsenal win tonight by 2 goals or more.


In fact, I think we beat them home and away in the their title winning season.


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Hope I'm wrong but I've got a bad feeling about tonight's match. Me and the friend I sit with always give each other our pre-match predictions for the score. Mine is going to be 1-1. Can't explain why. I realise we've not only got better players than Leicester, but we're at home. Anything other than a win will be disappointing. I'm just expecting to be disappointed.

Leicester haven't taken a point at Arsenal since 1995, and the previous one to that was 1975. This is one of our home bankers and I can only see an Arsenal win tonight by 2 goals or more.

I realise logic suggests we'll win, albeit runs of results don't last forever. I've just got a feeling we'll drop points tonight. Don't know why, but I do.


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Bernard wrote:
Hope I'm wrong but I've got a bad feeling about tonight's match. Me and the friend I sit with always give each other our pre-match predictions for the score. Mine is going to be 1-1. Can't explain why. I realise we've not only got better players than Leicester, but we're at home. Anything other than a win will be disappointing. I'm just expecting to be disappointed.

Mee will be looking down on this email with a smile, knowing his spirit lives on.


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Somebody whisper in Mee's ear that Wes Morgan isn't playing. He's always a pain when he plays against us, something to prove or possibly just a dislike of the Arsenal?


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Leicester City either wins or loses so far this season. No draws but I could see a draw happening. They are not a bad side even with the quality they have sold.


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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Emery has personnel to rotate amongst. I trust he is more adept at it than Wenger.

I will not be surprised if there is not much rotation this week. I don’t think Emery believes in the tiredness excuse. I think before the Fulham game he was asked about the squad being tired after travelling for the European game & he said no they should be fit enough.


That said, I think he will still rotate one or two positions.

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I see there's a new football film out called 'the Bromley Boys'. I'm sure it will remind American of me for many years to come.


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Somebody whisper in Mee's ear that Wes Morgan isn't playing. He's always a pain when he plays against us, something to prove or possibly just a dislike of the Arsenal?

The bigger pain is Jamie Vardy - scores against big teams, his game is set up to play against big teams with a high line. Add in his 'ability' to win penalties, he needs to be kept quiet tonight


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Bernard wrote:
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Leicester haven't taken a point at Arsenal since 1995, and the previous one to that was 1975. This is one of our home bankers and I can only see an Arsenal win tonight by 2 goals or more.

I realise logic suggests we'll win, albeit runs of results don't last forever. I've just got a feeling we'll drop points tonight. Don't know why, but I do.

We find it hard against Vardy. Add to that our unbeaten run has to end sometime, our winning run against Leicester at home and the fact neither Arsenal or Leicester have been involved in a draw this season I'm with you Bernard. 2-2 for me.


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Is Bayern Munich doing their best Trump impression and calling the German media fake news? lol

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45915862

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