Take sanchez and Özil out of the team (which is most of this season) and our squad is a top 10 team only.

I mean really, look at the squad without those two and ask yourself how many of our squad get in any other top 5 team and you will realise how much closer we are to the top 10 challengers than the top 5

Rich even With Sanchez and Özil were a top ten team.

Months ago I said the only interesting thing about this season was going to be predicting when the implosion Would occur.

Just had a text from a mate saying it he watched the game and it's the most bog average side we have had for ages

I don't understand this subbing off Lacazette every game. He's not a baby, just let him play. We handed the initiative to them as soon as we took the pace out of our attack, what's the point of putting on Özil if he has no runners ahead of him? I don't think Elneny is good enough for AFC and to partner him with Xhaka is just a non existent midfield. We were awful to watch....sideways, backwards, nowhere. You just knew that Deeney would score. You just knew we'd regret Iwobi and Özil missing their chances. Start playing our best players ffs.

Stop your friggin whining ffs. If he'd played Wilts and Ramsey you'd be complaining if they got injured. If he'd played Sanchez and he bummed you'd say he made a wrong decision.

We could have had Klopp as a manager and we'd be bleating about him buyer a player for 30 million to use as a sub. Or we could have Mourinho who played dire football today. What about a manager that can beat Chelsea, would you like him?

AW is on his way out. We all know it or pray for it but you two would be moaning whoever was in charge of the Arsenal.

Stop your friggin whining ffs. If he'd played Wilts and Ramsey you'd be complaining if they got injured. If he'd played Sanchez and he bummed you'd say he made a wrong decision.

We could have had Klopp as a manager and we'd be bleating about him buyer a player for 30 million to use as a sub. Or we could have Mourinho who played dire football today. What about a manager that can beat Chelsea, would you like him?

AW is on his way out. We all know it or pray for it but you two would be moaning whoever was in charge of the Arsenal.

It is so sad how far we've fallen. Every year we stay with Wenger is another 2 (at least) it takes us to get back near the top.
Look at the squad.
Does Čech get in any of the top teams? no
Do any of our defenders make it in to a title wining team?
Xhaka/Elneny/Ramsey vs any of chelsea/city/man u/spurs CM - no competition
Now lose Özil and Sanches who on paper are class- but have nothing for us this year.

Iwobi/Walcott/Welbeck is the best we can offer behind a central striker.

I don't think I exaggerate saying that this summer I think 75% of the squad is either leaving, out of contact or not good enough for arsenal.

I think we face 10 years in the doldrums. Every year Wenger stays is 2 years spent in the *%^@ after he leaves

We have a few tricky games coming up. I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that AW doesn’t last the season if we suffer a few more bad defeats. Ancelotti is available. Would take him like a shot for a couple of years.

We have a few tricky games coming up. I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that AW doesn’t last the season if we suffer a few more bad defeats. Ancelotti is available. Would take him like a shot for a couple of years.

Next Sunday's game againest Everton will be massive

Interview with AW after Watford
Reporter: Arsene that was a pretty dismissal performance. What can you take out of that.
Arsene : What do you people know about football. Until you have managed as long as me you cannot criticise. What can we take out of it. People complained before the game that we had not scored in any away games in the league this season. Now we have. What more do they want. It is only a small minority of fans who complain. Otherwise everyone is really, really happy.
Reporter: A couple of weeks back you said that you wanted 85 points and that was the aim. Do you think you can achieve this goal.
Arsene: I am sick of these stupid questions. We should get 85 points. Read what I said again. I meant 85 points over the period of my contract - 2 years. Must be a problem with the translation. To put it another way if we can get say 43 points this year and 42 points next year then we will reach our target. The financially doped clubs like Watford and Stoke make it bloody difficult. I mean they have owners who understand football and have actually put money into the club. It is not fair.
Reporter: How many players do you think you will need to buy at the end of the season.
Arsene: None. I have a great squad. The aim is to make a profit. I am confident that we are just a little distance away from an undefeated season.
Reporter: Do you mean in the championship. There are some tough games in that league.

Sadly that's not true. It's a routine Premier League fixture between two mediocre mid table teams.

Suppose it's a big game if we both want to finish high enough to qualify for next season's Europa League.

Deeney on BT: "We look at Arsenal now and think: 'We can beat you'. They've got no aura, no fear."

Sadly that's not true. It's a routine Premier League fixture between two mediocre mid table teams.

It has been that way for years. Teams with lesser quality look at us and believe if all 11 of their players are up for the fight they can beat us by a sheer will and determination that we won't match

We have a few tricky games coming up. I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that AW doesn’t last the season if we suffer a few more bad defeats. Ancelotti is available. Would take him like a shot for a couple of years.

So how about Marco Silva? I think he could be another Pochetinno in the making, and is doing at Watford what he did at Southampton. Even more so as Southampton is a bigger club than Watford. If it's possible for a manager to come out of a relegation with his reputation enhanced, I think Silva did just that at Hull. They'd lost their best player Snodin (which isn't saying that much about him), and he came bloody close to keeping a group of players up, for whom 'bang average' would be an over-positive exaggeration. Hull are fifteenth in this season's Championship table. I would see Silva as a good candidate, as an up and coming manager.

Snodgrass not Snodin Bernard. Weren't there Snodin twins, Ian and Glyn if memory serves me right.
Anyway, Silva would be a perfect fit for our manager in my opinion. We should have got him in the summer.

Morning Darren. But can you imagine either Wenger breaking his current contract by resigning, or him being sacked by an unambitious owner who seems to accept footballing mediocrity? One of those two things has to happen if Wenger doesn't last the season. I don't see either happening, but which one can you see?

I'd take Ancelotti, but only because he can't be worse than Wenger. When feeling unkind I'd probably say the same about next door's pet dog. I perceive Ancelotti as a great manager in his day, but one who is now well past he's best. Similar in principle to Wenger himself, although Ancelotti is presumably less of a past it has-been because his decline started more recently. Personally I'd prefer an up and coming manager. Apparently Bayern want the bloke at Hoffenheim next summer, so my guess is he's not a realistic candidate.

So how about Marco Silva? I think he could be another Pochetinno in the making, and is doing at Watford what he did at Southampton. Even more so as Southampton is a bigger club than Watford. If it's possible for a manager to come out of a relegation with his reputation enhanced, I think Silva did just that at Hull. They'd lost their best player Snodin (which isn't saying that much about him), and he came bloody close to keeping a group of players up, for whom 'bang average' would be an over-positive exaggeration. Hull are fifteenth in this season's Championship table. I would see Silva as a good candidate, as an up and coming manager.

Ah yes indeed. What else would we do with our Thursday evenings?

So no Sanchez and Özil again, I don't think they have both started a game together this season. What was it Wenger said about this situation being 'ideal'?

I think in the long long list of monumental c*ck up decisions made by Wenger, the decision not to sell both of these players this summer is potentially the worst of the lot.

So no Sanchez and Özil again, I don't think they have both started a game together this season. What was it Wenger said about this situation being 'ideal'?

I think in the long long list of monumental c*ck up decisions made by Wenger, the decision not to sell both of these players this summer is potentially the worst of the lot.

Lets look at this squad come the summer of 2018 (which is a world cup summer and one where the transfer window closes early)
Čech - needs replacing pretty soon
Ospina - wants to leave and not good enough to be our No.1

Bellerin - wants to leave
Mertesacker - retiring
Kos - consistent and quality but over 30 an has constant injury niggles that will only get worse
Mustafi - wants to leave and was all but sold this summer
Holding - raw and still has a lot to learn
Chambers - not proven he is good enough for us but has signed a 2 year extension
Monreal - very good, very consistent but still over 30 now
Kolasinac - good early signs and only 24

Xhaka - not done enough to justify his fee, wouldn't start in CM for any other top 6 side
Ramsey - 1 year left on his deal
Coq/Elneny - basically the same player, fine as 5th choice CM but not any closer to the first 11
Cazorla - out of contract
Wilshere - out of contract

Iwobi - decent squad player but not good enough to start regularly for a team with our ambitions
Welbeck - good squad player
Walcott - symbolic of the last 10 years, should have been sold years ago
Özil - out of contract
Sanchez - out of contract

Giroud - good plan B but over 30 now
Lacazette - good signing but severe lack of quality and supply

Nelson and Maitland-Niles from the youth team have shown good promise but shouldn't be relied on to start 38 league games

That is 23 players plus 2 youth players. Look at how many are leaving, don't want to be here and shouldn't be here. It is no exaggeration to say that we need 15 new players next year

Take sanchez and Özil out of the team (which is most of this season) and our squad is a top 10 team only.

I mean really, look at the squad without those two and ask yourself how many of our squad get in any other top 5 team and you will realise how much closer we are to the top 10 challengers than the top 5

We are going to lose very good players. But we will still have good players and a decent squad. Augment the squad with another Lacazette-like and Kolasinac-like signings in Jan and then again in the summer and on paper we will have a squad capable of at least a top four finish next season. ..