but Sanchez giving the ball back needlessly would have coaches spitting blood.

I thought the goal was Monreal's fault. First rule of being a full back is to show the winger onto his weaker foot. Monreal doesn't even put any real pressure on Downing. However clearly not on the level of Clichy's downright (and probably illegal) stupidity against Tottenham in the 4-4 but not good enough regardless. Kos didn't cover himself in glory either positionally but Sanchez giving the ball back needlessly would have coaches spitting blood.

Niall here, borrowing Bernard's computer. Another Arsenal player gave the ball away less than half an hour before Clichy slipped, so in no way can Gael be held responsible for that goal.

Morning Darren,

I thought the goal was a combination of several individual errors that was indicative of how shite we are defensively these days. Sanchez gave the ball away carelessly but he was high up the pitch and 'boro still had plenty to do. Our defending after the initial error was hopeless.

In all honesty our defending of set pieces was again embarassing and had 'boro been a little more clinical/lucky with some of the knock downs that fell to them in our box we could easily have been staring at a draw or a defeat today.

I thought Ox was very good in that wingback role and Holding did OK. Čech made some decent saves but generally we were pretty much what we have been all season, mediocre. Loads of possession but not much to show for it.

Easy for me as only Lib Dem can defeat Tory in my constituency. And probably will.

Really screwed me up. I've always voted Labour. I have always in the past been pro Europe.

As a leave voter mainly because of the direction the EU command is going, I will have no choice but to vote Tory.

What will the Tory remainers do and who will thery vote for?

Will we see the setting up of a pro European coalition?

God it's such a mess........................

Are you sure? I'm hearing a lot of Labour voters saying they will vote Tory.

Personally I think the vote will be about Brexit and Brexit alone. Fallon, Lib Dem leader, has already said that.

Tory remainers will still vote Tory I'd have thought. I'm in a simailar boat, I've never voted Tory but can't abide by Corbyn and if you are voting for who should be the most suitable government surely it's a conservative vote ?

I might not vote at all. *%^@ it

Brexit is done, a decision has been made people need to move forward and vote for who will form the best government not a decision that has been made.

How could you vote Tory???

How could you vote Tory???

Labour isn't going to win (absent Jesus intervening). So voting Tory is voting for a Tory landslide. Hey, but go ahead. Im sure the Trump democrats, Thatcher labour, Reagan democrats, etc have no regrets about cutting off their noses to spite their faces either.

I know Hoy has retreated to purse his lips in disapproval at all the negativity after the Palace defeat but I'm sure he would want me to point out in absentia that only one person can be held responsible for the Boro goal last night.

Carousel of Whine

Not a huge fan of the EU in general which I think is an undemocratic technocracy and had it not clearly been a referendum based on lies and racism I might have spent more time considering my options. Nonetheless, it became clear that voting to leave would hand a huge victory to the far-right that I think anybody with any progressive values had to choose sides very quickly. Since then, I would agree with Darren that Corbyn's stance which is both incoherent and politically insane has made him even less electable even though Labour's manifesto is no more extreme than it was under Miliband. The man is simply an incompetent, many of his supporters idiotic ideologues and I would not trust them to run the country for a moment - it would end in something far worse than we have now and a huge defeat for progressive or socialist values. I'm glad I can vote anti-Tory without having to vote for the utter shambles that is the Labour Party right now and only hope Jeremy is less stubborn than Wenger when it comes to his options following a defeat which could leave them with under 100 MPs.

Like it.

Emotionally Wenger's Arsenal is a little like when you get in a dodgem as a kid, can't get it to start and watch in dismay at the fun all the rest of them are having.

Where's George Lansbury when you need him?

And then some bloke with greased back hair and tattoos on his enormous arms jumps on the back of your dodgem and takes your girl away. At such a time we all need solace. I give you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jiCi7aFZE

He looks a bit like Gram Parsons in that video.

Gram Parsons, John Peel (d'ye ken) and Charlie Chaplin. What have they in common?

The whole Tory v Labour thing is different this time.

The Tory Party will promote a Brexit policy that will be as hard as it needs to be – and the EU will ensure that it will be as flinty as they can make it. Essentially, we’re in for a contentious, fractious and painful Brexit. Particularly in the South, a lot of lifelong Tories will not vote for that strategy and many will actively oppose it.

The Labour Party will also canvass on a Brexit policy; they’ll portray it in a more conciliatory way but particularly amongst the leadership, Labour are just as committed to Brexit as the Tories. There aren’t that many Labour strongholds in the South but that won’t be a popular view in any of them and many traditional Labour supporters won’t vote for it.

I think this coming election could essentially re-run the referendum regardless of the sitting MP’s political allegiance. All that’s needed is a convincing and organised opposition to Brexit and millions will vote for it. Prepare for some opportunistic policy shifts and splinter groups - and I don’t rule out a new party or one-policy coalition. All will become clear in the coming weeks but in the meantime, the normal chaos will continue.

Welcome to Gooner-world!

This is a nice one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFYFj5q8_Qk

I was discussing this with a political analyst a while back. Essentially I think pro-remain voters will punish a leave MP far harder than pro-leave will punish remain MPs with whom they otherwise agree or for whom they traditionally vote. Hence Zac Goldsmith in Richmond and UKIP failing to take Stoke. So it would be easier to be Remain in a northern working class constituency than it would be to be Leave in an affluent highly educated moderate constituency. This will favour any opposition party that takes an unambiguous anti-Brexit stance and if Corbyn had any political nous he would exploit that as the Lib Dems certainly will. The idea that Labour would be in bind if it opposed Brexit in its working class strongholds is not actually born out by much evidence so far. The worst thing will be to do what Corbyn will do and remain utterly incoherent on the issue because then he will be despised by both sides.

I can see a one-policy anti-Brexit party cleaning up. By default, they'd start with 48% of the electorate.

Not sure Corbyn even has a conscience to hawk around.