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Post #547041  Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 7:58 pm 
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You’re quite right. Officiating is inconsistent and capricious. Effing annoying really.

Also Konate did something identical as last man.

Apparently Tierney was the var ref today


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Post #547042  Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 8:01 pm 
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Looks like we’re making some early moves in the transfer market.
Turner done for £7m or so
Young Brazilian winger Marquinhos for £3m
Strong rumours of a deal for Aaron Hickey from Bologna for £18m -good strategy to go back and get another full back from that after the success of the last
I can see the Jesus deal going through as well.

Bring back and integrate Saliba and get another top class centre mid and striker and that would be a great summer and would surely only see us get stronger next year


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Post #547043  Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 9:37 pm 
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3 Fa cup final losses in a row for Chelsea


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Post #547044  Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 10:29 pm 
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3 Fa cup final losses in a row for Chelsea


You love to see it.


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Post #547045  Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 10:34 pm 
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Looks like we’re making some early moves in the transfer market.
Turner done for £7m or so
Young Brazilian winger Marquinhos for £3m
Strong rumours of a deal for Aaron Hickey from Bologna for £18m -good strategy to go back and get another full back from that after the success of the last
I can see the Jesus deal going through as well.

Bring back and integrate Saliba and get another top class centre mid and striker and that would be a great summer and would surely only see us get stronger next year


I’m intrigued how our business would be different depending if we finish 4th or 5th. I’m sure lots will be said about it, especially if we’re in the Europa, but we’ll just never know. I’d have thought Jesus coming would hinge on Champs league though.

Agree with all of this btw. Happy to have the CBs we’ve got plus Saliba. Do you think the current young players we have are ready for Champions league, and moreover a season including champions league and all the other fixtures? We’ll need a much larger squad than we currently have.


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Post #547046  Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 3:53 am 
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3 Fa cup final losses in a row for Chelsea

Gee that's too bad.

Anyway ....


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Post #547047  Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 6:13 am 
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I had quite forgotten that the League Cup final was also Liverpool beating Chelsea and also on penalties.

I guess that it’s the first time since 1993 that there has a doubling up of finalists.

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Post #547048  Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 6:49 am 
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... 52516693-2

Seems odd to write an entire piece on Arteta complaining about some ref decisions when all the top managers complain all season long. Tuchel complained about the grass on his own pitch, Conte threatened to leave when he lost to Burnley


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Former Premier League referee Mark Clattenburg on Spurs' penalty against Arsenal

“If we're going to give this as a penalty, I could find plenty of other examples when the same ‘foul' has occurred in the box in other games.”


He’s not wrong is he?

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Post #547050  Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 6:57 am 
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Former Premier League referee Mark Clattenburg on Spurs' penalty against Arsenal

“If we're going to give this as a penalty, I could find plenty of other examples when the same ‘foul' has occurred in the box in other games.”


He’s not wrong is he?


No. One in the Final yesterday - would itself have been soft, but far more of a push than ours. Konate on Ziyech I think?

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Post #547051  Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 6:59 am 
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Ash wrote:

Agree with all of this btw. Happy to have the CBs we’ve got plus Saliba. Do you think the current young players we have are ready for Champions league, and moreover a season including champions league and all the other fixtures? We’ll need a much larger squad than we currently have.

I thought the same question recently so went to look at the champions league group stage and tried to think where we would fare in each of the groups
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_UEFA_Champions_League
I think we’d be in a fight for 2nd/3rd at the worst. I also think we shouldn’t underestimate the ability of Prem teams (not Man U) to play at a pace and intensity that a lot of European clubs can struggle with. We can play like that.
The question of whether we can cope fighting on two fronts, right now no chance, I think we need at least 6 more players in the squad for that to get to 25 players.
1 x CB
1 x ambidextrous full back
1 x CM
2x striker
And depending on the flexibility of those and if elneny/Nketiah sign a new deal then maybe another wide player or another central player.

We need to look at where we’ve been hurt the most with injuries and bring players in to fill those gaps.


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Ash wrote:
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Looks like we’re making some early moves in the transfer market.
Turner done for £7m or so
Young Brazilian winger Marquinhos for £3m
Strong rumours of a deal for Aaron Hickey from Bologna for £18m -good strategy to go back and get another full back from that after the success of the last
I can see the Jesus deal going through as well.

Bring back and integrate Saliba and get another top class centre mid and striker and that would be a great summer and would surely only see us get stronger next year


I’m intrigued how our business would be different depending if we finish 4th or 5th. I’m sure lots will be said about it, especially if we’re in the Europa, but we’ll just never know. I’d have thought Jesus coming would hinge on Champs league though.

Agree with all of this btw. Happy to have the CBs we’ve got plus Saliba. Do you think the current young players we have are ready for Champions league, and moreover a season including champions league and all the other fixtures? We’ll need a much larger squad than we currently have.


We definitely need a larger squad, agree on that. As for whether our players are ready; my answer is they're good enough, so they'll be ready.

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I’m intrigued how our business would be different depending if we finish 4th or 5th. I’m sure lots will be said about it, especially if we’re in the Europa, but we’ll just never know. I’d have thought Jesus coming would hinge on Champs league though.

Agree with all of this btw. Happy to have the CBs we’ve got plus Saliba. Do you think the current young players we have are ready for Champions league, and moreover a season including champions league and all the other fixtures? We’ll need a much larger squad than we currently have.


We definitely need a larger squad, agree on that. As for whether our players are ready; my answer is they're good enough, so they'll be ready.


I think our first 11 is ready but squad isn’t built for 3 domestic and 1 European competition across a Season like you said. It’s too small and when the injuries hit things will come really adrift.

I think there’s a lot to be taken from the managers comments that he needs 22 players plus 3 keepers.

We are being linked with Hickey the young Scottish left back which is interesting but it’s also been mooted we might swap Pablo Mari for the udinese right back plus some cash. If that happened with saliba returning our defence would be well and truly sorted for good. The transfer business will be interesting on how they approach improving the first team but also beef up the numbers


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Post #547054  Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 8:25 am 
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Not seen much noise on the decline of Kante. It’s as though no one is allowed to say it because of what a lovely humble bloke he is. Kovacic has been far and away Chelsea’s best centre mid this season, and Kante hasn’t been world class for a couple of seasons now


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Post #547055  Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 8:30 am 
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Bellerin, guendouzi, nelson, Torreira, Pépé, mavropanos, Mari.

Surely that’s 60 million in incomings transfer fees at least. Should provide a decent budget for restructuring


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Not seen much noise on the decline of Kante. It’s as though no one is allowed to say it because of what a lovely humble bloke he is. Kovacic has been far and away Chelsea’s best centre mid this season, and Kante hasn’t been world class for a couple of seasons now

He’s being linked with man united. His game was all action so it must be hard to maintain that as you get into your thirties. Honestly not getting him was wengers biggest mistake in his latter years. Spending 6 million more on xhaka


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Will be cheering for Burnley and West Ham and I think the 'ammers have a pretty good shot of getting a draw. They are a tough nut to cra... er...ah...they are often bit tough to beat at home. :42laughter:

Still hoping Liverpool pips City to the title. Putting distance between them and Man Utd for most titles and a stronger possiblity of a quadruple and reducing the significance of the '99 treble, albeit it, it will always remian an incredible accomplishment. Just not as incredible. :7laughter:

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Still hoping Liverpool pips City to the title. Putting distance between them and Man Utd for most titles and a stronger possiblity of a quadruple and reducing the significance of the '99 treble, albeit it, it will always remian an incredible accomplishment. Just not as incredible. :7laughter:


He's got absolutely no idea has he?

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Not seen much noise on the decline of Kante. It’s as though no one is allowed to say it because of what a lovely humble bloke he is. Kovacic has been far and away Chelsea’s best centre mid this season, and Kante hasn’t been world class for a couple of seasons now

He's not had a good season, but he was absolutely superb in the closing stages of last season. They wouldn't have won the CL without him.

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So Cup Final day. Used to be the biggest game in world football - far and away the biggest game in English football. Started with the build up through the week then “Who’ll Win The Cup” on Friday evening. Panels and pundits, the arrival of the teams, communal singing and presentations. I used to absolutely love it. Not quite the same these days, is it?
Yes, hate to admit it but it is losing its pull compared to the past. This year the ridiculous start time didn't help, and the almost inevitable appearance of one of the Big Three in the final bores me. I still love the FA Cup as a competition but like marriage, all the romance is in the earlier rounds...

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Reading more about Hickey. He only uses his dominant foot, his left, 61% of the time. For context Cazorla used his strong foot 68% of the time.

Arteta going for two footed and flexible players


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I’ve given up on explaining the footballing aspect of the sport to you. Happy to chat about other stuff though
Or perhaps you’ve realised you said something stupid.
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Or perhaps you’ve realised you said something stupid.
"Like I love you?"

Surely depends on who you say it to?


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Spurs nil nil at half time

They couldn’t could they ?

This would be the funniest thing ever.


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Offs ignore that they are about to be given a joke penalty

*%^@ this


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Spurs nil nil at half time

They couldn’t could they ?

This would be the funniest thing ever.

Looks like VAR is going to put paid to that. :20hospitals:

Horribly lucky there.

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That’s an absolute joke. It’s literally nothing and to hear the commentators try and justify this nonsense is absurd. If that relegates Burnley and i was a Burnley fan id stop following the sport.

Football is a joke now


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VAR f’s us. Ridiculous penalty.


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Awarding what in effect is a goal for such an offence is disproportionate and game defining.

This set of laws of the game really is a nonsense.

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It evens itself out over a season you know.

DOES IT BOLLOCKS


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TG you are right. Football when measured by these ridiculous VAR’s is a joke.


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There is no actual offence committed

Then they try and justify by talking about an unnatural position of the arm. Unnatural my arse, if that was the case then human beings wouldn’t need staircase bannisters to steady themselves going up them. Look at the arm movements of Olympic sprinters, they ain’t by their sides


Utter *%^@*** drivel. The rules of this sport are now so open to manipulation and error you are watching something that is a sporting version of pinball where a slight slip and the direction can go anywhere. The rules have been *%^@** with so much.


Utter useless slags from hell. Hang your heads in shame at what you’ve done to the sport.


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*%^@*** typical they get a penalty in the last *%^@*** minute after being toothless all half.
Can't stand this spurs team.
No way Burnley are scoring now.
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*%^@*** typical they get a penalty in the last *%^@*** minute after being toothless all half.
Can't stand this spurs team.
No way Burnley are scoring now.
We have to win tomorrow

I’m not watching it but why was eight minutes injury time added to the first half?


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I'm foolishly listening to it on the radio Bernard.
Don't know why I do it to myself.
I think Cornet had an injury.
I really hate spurs I really do.
*%^@


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Bernard it was 4 added minutes. Then it took a while for the VAR b….cks


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Thanks David and Andy.


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Just ditch VAR

It’s total *%^@, the first decision is nearly always right anyway then the ref is swayed by something really minor that’s subjective but can’t not give the decision because the incident is slowed down and has to be viewed as something yes or no. It creates more injustice than it solves. Honestly does anyone think it benefits the game. If it has to be used then use it for offsides only.

Absurd twatery from hell designed by people likely bullied at school

So die Kevin Friend. DIE DIE DIE and when your gagging on Mike Riley’s balls bite down on them so he can die too


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I quite like the idea of VAR for clear and obvious error. That should be a rarity.

Ultra marginal offsides, and the daft new handball laws that seem to change each season are an abomination.

As is the nonsense where there is clear offside but the assistant referee keeps his flag down.

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I quite like the idea of VAR for clear and obvious error. That should be a rarity.

Ultra marginal offsides, and the daft new handball laws that seem to change each season are an abomination.

As is the nonsense where there is clear offside but the assistant referee keeps his flag down.

Might an answer be to not show VAR replays in slow motion, and only once? Then if a referee has made an obvious error, wouldn’t it become clear if shown at normal speed without the need to look at it time and time again?


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