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Post #537761  Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:34 am 
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Just crossed my mind Willock may be making his return to Arsenal in a Newcastle shirt. I haven't followed him as much as I should. I hope he is doing well and does do well. If he scores in a losing effort for Newcatle, I won't begrudge him. :icon_mrgreen1:

Or just generally plays well in their loss (clean sheet if possible for us).

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The PSG - Man Utd - Poch situation is also interesting. I'm sure he has his own reasons, but off hand, don't know why he'd want to leave PSG for Man Utd.

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I've never heard of Stoichkov before happening upon his video. Can't believe I haven't.




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I’ve just watched the first part of a BT programme about the breeding grounds of football in South London. It’s called South of the River.

Both fascinating and informative. Well worth a watch if you can.


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Yet another article on our enigma.

http://www.skysports.com/share/12470760

As they say, despite how well he plays it is hard to see him ever playing for us.

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Yet another article on our enigma.

http://www.skysports.com/share/12470760

As they say, despite how well he plays it is hard to see him ever playing for us.


I worry he won't want to play for Arteta

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Yet another article on our enigma.

http://www.skysports.com/share/12470760

As they say, despite how well he plays it is hard to see him ever playing for us.


There is an answer and that's the frustrating thing about it. I can't wait for the documentary on our season. I'm hoping it will shed some light if not sooner.

The club had better have a damn good reason why.

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Yet another article on our enigma.

http://www.skysports.com/share/12470760

As they say, despite how well he plays it is hard to see him ever playing for us.


I worry he won't want to play for Arteta


I honestly couldn’t give a *%^@

I hope we sell the geezer. It’s become so boring listening to people talk about him. If he comes back and does well people will blame arteta for loaning him earlier and and he does badly likewise it’s because of the loan.


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I honestly couldn’t give a *%^@

I hope we sell the geezer. It’s become so boring listening to people talk about him. If he comes back and does well people will blame arteta for loaning him earlier and and he does badly likewise it’s because of the loan.

Quite agree TG. Really really boring. It looks increasingly unlikely he'll be happy at Arsenal so sell.


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I honestly couldn’t give a *%^@

I hope we sell the geezer. It’s become so boring listening to people talk about him. If he comes back and does well people will blame arteta for loaning him earlier and and he does badly likewise it’s because of the loan.

Quite agree TG. Really really boring. It looks increasingly unlikely he'll be happy at Arsenal so sell.

Best that we can hope for is that he enhances his transfer out value.

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bromley gooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I honestly couldn’t give a *%^@

I hope we sell the geezer. It’s become so boring listening to people talk about him. If he comes back and does well people will blame arteta for loaning him earlier and and he does badly likewise it’s because of the loan.

Quite agree TG. Really really boring. It looks increasingly unlikely he'll be happy at Arsenal so sell.

Tiresome

He makes 2 mistakes in a game that both cost goals it doesn’t get mentioned, has a decent half and makes one decent tackle against mbappe and he’s the next beckenbaur.

Endless articles on the bloke and fans saying they would never forgive the manager if he gets sold.

Honestly I have no idea how our fans would be able to cope these days with a scenario like when George sold fan favourites like Sansom or lukic.

If we decide to sell him this summer and use the money to sign a top class midfielder who adds a new dimension to our team you will still have people moaning about Saliba mark my words.


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Quite agree TG. Really really boring. It looks increasingly unlikely he'll be happy at Arsenal so sell.

Best that we can hope for is that he enhances his transfer out value.

Absolutely, though am I right in thinking he'll only have a year left on his contract come next summer? If so we'll do well to get our money back on him.


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Quite agree TG. Really really boring. It looks increasingly unlikely he'll be happy at Arsenal so sell.

Tiresome

He makes 2 mistakes in a game that both cost goals it doesn’t get mentioned, has a decent half and makes one decent tackle against mbappe and he’s the next beckenbaur.

Endless articles on the bloke and fans saying they would never forgive the manager if he gets sold.

Honestly I have no idea how our fans would be able to cope these days with a scenario like when George sold fan favourites like Sansom or lukic.

If we decide to sell him this summer and use the money to sign a top class midfielder who adds a new dimension to our team you will still have people moaning about Saliba mark my words.

Yes, midfield and up front are areas that need strengthening more than central defence. Gabriel and White are looking excellent and our backup is pretty decent as well.
Arteta clearly has his reasons for why the kid has been sent out on loan. I fancy it might be something to do with attitude and application, perhaps he was demanding to be first choice, I don't know. But Arteta would have kept him and played him if he came problem free. I back Arteta's judgement on this situation.


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Wow. That’s a serious wedge. Stan Kroenke forced into $790M settlement after NFL dispute. Stan Kroenke faces a law settlement of $790m after the Arsenal owner relocated his NFL franchise from St Louis to Los Angeles back in 2016, which caused a stir in Missouri

Will it affect Arsenal?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... FRao6ORdWQ

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Wow. That’s a serious wedge. Stan Kroenke forced into $790M settlement after NFL dispute. Stan Kroenke faces a law settlement of $790m after the Arsenal owner relocated his NFL franchise from St Louis to Los Angeles back in 2016, which caused a stir in Missouri

Will it affect Arsenal?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... FRao6ORdWQ

He can sell Saka and S-R to raise some funds

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Wow. That’s a serious wedge. Stan Kroenke forced into $790M settlement after NFL dispute. Stan Kroenke faces a law settlement of $790m after the Arsenal owner relocated his NFL franchise from St Louis to Los Angeles back in 2016, which caused a stir in Missouri

Will it affect Arsenal?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... FRao6ORdWQ

He can sell Saka and S-R to raise some funds


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He can sell Saka and S-R to raise some funds


Bite your tongue and never repeat such *¥!÷¥₩

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Wow. That’s a serious wedge. Stan Kroenke forced into $790M settlement after NFL dispute. Stan Kroenke faces a law settlement of $790m after the Arsenal owner relocated his NFL franchise from St Louis to Los Angeles back in 2016, which caused a stir in Missouri

Will it affect Arsenal?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... FRao6ORdWQ


If the planets align and its a huge if, he'll be forced to sell Arsenal. That's really our only real hope of extricating ourselves from that family.

A huge settlement though could also mean, Arsenal without investment and living by our wits and good looks like I have done for years. :icon_mrgreen1:

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Bite your tongue and never repeat such *¥!÷¥₩

Trust no one.

Considering the wealth Stan's Walmart heiress wife has this fee shouldn't be an issue. A $790m fee to pay is relatively a speck on the wall. Then there's that brand new Rams So-fi stadium he could draw money against towards it. :angel4:

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ay-it-all/

From yesterday.

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Apparently Tottingham have lost to the lowest ranked team in the Europa Conference League...


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Apparently Tottingham have lost to the lowest ranked team in the Europa Conference League...

I bet Conte is digging out his contract to work out how he can exit.

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Apparently Tottingham have lost to the lowest ranked team in the Europa Conference League...

Check out the defending from £40m Davison Sanchez for the 94th minute winner.
Conte’s quite after was quite funny, “After three weeks I am starting to understand the situation. It is not simple,” he said. “At this moment the level at Tottenham is not so high“


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Rich wrote:
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Apparently Tottingham have lost to the lowest ranked team in the Europa Conference League...

Check out the defending from £40m Davison Sanchez for the 94th minute winner.
Conte’s quite after was quite funny, “After three weeks I am starting to understand the situation. It is not simple,” he said. “At this moment the level at Tottenham is not so high“

Let’s hope he takes a couple of years to not be able to sort it out.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Check out the defending from £40m Davison Sanchez for the 94th minute winner.
Conte’s quite after was quite funny, “After three weeks I am starting to understand the situation. It is not simple,” he said. “At this moment the level at Tottenham is not so high“

Let’s hope he takes a couple of years to not be able to sort it out.

I can’t see Conte having the patience to stay that long in any case. He only signed up to 18 months. My guess is he’ll ruthlessly root out some under performers and will be given some money to make some signings, who will be experienced players he’s previously worked with or knows well….but it won’t be the money he wants. He’ll look for quick fix and quick results and when they don’t come he’ll leave.


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Let’s hope he takes a couple of years to not be able to sort it out.

I can’t see Conte having the patience to stay that long in any case. He only signed up to 18 months. My guess is he’ll ruthlessly root out some under performers and will be given some money to make some signings, who will be experienced players he’s previously worked with or knows well….but it won’t be the money he wants. He’ll look for quick fix and quick results and when they don’t come he’ll leave.

Yes, I think he has the personality to just walk away if he is not happy.

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Saw highlights of Marseilles defeat against Galatasaray this week just now

Saliba had another mare. Cost his team another 2 goals, one where he needlessly tried to dribble the ball out then lost it then another when he was asleep for a free kick.


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Seen a few reports that Xhaka is set to return to training ahead of schedule. With Partey off to ACN in mid december we need him back


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Arsenal have 9 games between Saturday and the end of the year. 9 games in 32 days. We will need to see some rotation. Sunderland at home in the cup QF is the obvious place to start.

I wonder whether it is time to bring Ødegaard back in for Lacazette, particularly for a game like Newcastle at home where in theory we should be more dominant in possession and territory and may require some more guile and creativity.

Id expect Tierney to come back in and there should be some more minutes for Pépé, Martinelli, Holding, AMN over the next month.

One thing is for sure we need to avoid injuries to key players in this period. timing is crucial with injuries, get a 3 week knock as an International break comes up and you might miss 1 club game, get one in the coming month and you could miss 6 or 7


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Trust no one.

Considering the wealth Stan's Walmart heiress wife has this fee shouldn't be an issue. A $790m fee to pay is relatively a speck on the wall. Then there's that brand new Rams So-fi stadium he could draw money against towards it. :angel4:

Hi Zed. The net worth of Ann Kroenke is $9.6b. With Stan’s net worth of $10.7b, as a couple together they’re therefore worth a net $20.3b. $790m is 4.1% of $20.3b. Obviously they’d rather not lose 4.1% of their family fortune but it’s not going to leave them in poverty if it happens. They won’t be moving from whichever of their huge ranches they reside in the most to sleeping in a cardboard box on the streets of the roughest part of Los Angeles.

Interestingly, the net worth of the Kroenke’s together ($20.3b) is actually more than the net worth of Manchester City’s owner, Sheikh Mansour who has $20.0b.


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Saw highlights of Marseilles defeat against Galatasaray this week just now

Saliba had another mare. Cost his team another 2 goals, one where he needlessly tried to dribble the ball out then lost it then another when he was asleep for a free kick.


and your point is?

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Saw highlights of Marseilles defeat against Galatasaray this week just now

Saliba had another mare. Cost his team another 2 goals, one where he needlessly tried to dribble the ball out then lost it then another when he was asleep for a free kick.


and your point is?

TG's point is that he's highly annoyed whenever anyone has an agenda against a particular Arsenal player, and that singling out one bad performance - as if any player doesn't occasionally make mistakes - is typical of the modern-day, Johnny-come-lately try-hard who calls themselves a fan. So, he'd certainly never do the same.

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Considering the wealth Stan's Walmart heiress wife has this fee shouldn't be an issue. A $790m fee to pay is relatively a speck on the wall. Then there's that brand new Rams So-fi stadium he could draw money against towards it. :angel4:

Hi Zed. The net worth of Ann Kroenke is $9.6b. With Stan’s net worth of $10.7b, as a couple together they’re therefore worth a net $20.3b. $790m is 4.1% of $20.3b. Obviously they’d rather not lose 4.1% of their family fortune but it’s not going to leave them in poverty if it happens. They won’t be moving from whichever of their huge ranches they reside in the most to sleeping in a cardboard box on the streets of the roughest part of Los Angeles.

Interestingly, the net worth of the Kroenke’s together ($20.3b) is actually more than the net worth of Manchester City’s owner, Sheikh Mansour who has $20.0b.

But Arsenal is nothing to do with his wife. So Kroenke's wealth is half of Mansour's essentially. Not sure why you keep mentioning her wealth as if she she should or could be helping in funding Arsenal.

What are your thoughts on this government led report on football governance? Some interesting points in there.

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Saw highlights of Marseilles defeat against Galatasaray this week just now

Saliba had another mare. Cost his team another 2 goals, one where he needlessly tried to dribble the ball out then lost it then another when he was asleep for a free kick.


and your point is?

None really I was just making an observation


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Hi Zed. The net worth of Ann Kroenke is $9.6b. With Stan’s net worth of $10.7b, as a couple together they’re therefore worth a net $20.3b. $790m is 4.1% of $20.3b. Obviously they’d rather not lose 4.1% of their family fortune but it’s not going to leave them in poverty if it happens. They won’t be moving from whichever of their huge ranches they reside in the most to sleeping in a cardboard box on the streets of the roughest part of Los Angeles.

Interestingly, the net worth of the Kroenke’s together ($20.3b) is actually more than the net worth of Manchester City’s owner, Sheikh Mansour who has $20.0b.

But Arsenal is nothing to do with his wife. So Kroenke's wealth is half of Mansour's essentially. Not sure why you keep mentioning her wealth as if she she should or could be helping in funding Arsenal.

What are your thoughts on this government led report on football governance? Some interesting points in there.

Isn’t it normal for married couples to have a range of individual and joint accounts? Me and my wife certainly do, and so do every married couple we know.

As you probably know, I collect fine wine. If I had the opportunity to buy some cases of an extraordinarily expensive wine that I couldn’t afford from my own personal accounts, would my wife let me use money from our joint accounts to buy it? Yes of course she would. If we still didn’t have enough from my personal and our joint accounts, if I convinced her it was a good investment, she’d also give me money from her own personal accounts?

Likewise, married couples routinely buy their properties together, not separately. We simply do not treat our money as hers or mine. Our family’s wealth is her and my money together.

Maybe you and your wife are different Darren. But if you are, I suspect you would be in a minority, certainly from the friends and family we know. I therefore believe it is relevant to consider Ann as well as Stan’s fortunes when considering the wealth of the Kroenke’s.

Sorry but I haven’t yet read the government led report on football governance.


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and your point is?

None really I was just making an observation


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and your point is?

TG's point is that he's highly annoyed whenever anyone has an agenda against a particular Arsenal player, and that singling out one bad performance - as if any player doesn't occasionally make mistakes - is typical of the modern-day, Johnny-come-lately try-hard who calls themselves a fan. So, he'd certainly never do the same.


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Bernard wrote:
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But Arsenal is nothing to do with his wife. So Kroenke's wealth is half of Mansour's essentially. Not sure why you keep mentioning her wealth as if she she should or could be helping in funding Arsenal.

What are your thoughts on this government led report on football governance? Some interesting points in there.

Isn’t it normal for married couples to have a range of individual and joint accounts? Me and my wife certainly do, and so do every married couple we know.

As you probably know, I collect fine wine. If I had the opportunity to buy some cases of an extraordinarily expensive wine that I couldn’t afford from my own personal accounts, would my wife let me use money from our joint accounts to buy it? Yes of course she would. If we still didn’t have enough from my personal and our joint accounts, if I convinced her it was a good investment, she’d also give me money from her own personal accounts?

Likewise, married couples routinely buy their properties together, not separately. We simply do not treat our money as hers or mine. Our family’s wealth is her and my money together.

Maybe you and your wife are different Darren. But if you are, I suspect you would be in a minority, certainly from the friends and family we know. I therefore believe it is relevant to consider Ann as well as Stan’s fortunes when considering the wealth of the Kroenke’s.



Yeah we have a individual accounts that only I contribute too and a joint account that only I contribute to yet I still get lectured on the cost of my season ticket by the mrs and moaned at how frequently I attend games these days.

I agree with Darren really. I reckon if I was worth 20 billion like the kroenkes are and owned Arsenal and came home from work and said “ hey hun guess what ! I’ve signed Mbappe !!” I would be in serious danger of a John Wayne Bobbitt type situation. Their brains aren’t wired the same.


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Isn’t it normal for married couples to have a range of individual and joint accounts? Me and my wife certainly do, and so do every married couple we know.

As you probably know, I collect fine wine. If I had the opportunity to buy some cases of an extraordinarily expensive wine that I couldn’t afford from my own personal accounts, would my wife let me use money from our joint accounts to buy it? Yes of course she would. If we still didn’t have enough from my personal and our joint accounts, if I convinced her it was a good investment, she’d also give me money from her own personal accounts?

Likewise, married couples routinely buy their properties together, not separately. We simply do not treat our money as hers or mine. Our family’s wealth is her and my money together.

Maybe you and your wife are different Darren. But if you are, I suspect you would be in a minority, certainly from the friends and family we know. I therefore believe it is relevant to consider Ann as well as Stan’s fortunes when considering the wealth of the Kroenke’s.



Yeah we have a individual accounts that only I contribute too and a joint account that only I contribute to yet I still get lectured on the cost of my season ticket by the mrs and moaned at how frequently I attend games these days.

I agree with Darren really. I reckon if I was worth 20 billion like the kroenkes are and owned Arsenal and came home from work and said “ hey hun guess what ! I’ve signed Mbappe !!” I would be in serious danger of a John Wayne Bobbitt type situation. Their brains aren’t wired the same.

Yeah, chicks who don't want to buy the new Mbappe or a Chateau Lafite-Rothschild 1986 - how f&%#ing weird are they? Given half a chance, they'd probably waste your mutually-acquired cash on ... I don't know ... human rights or something. Mental.

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Yeah we have a individual accounts that only I contribute too and a joint account that only I contribute to yet I still get lectured on the cost of my season ticket by the mrs and moaned at how frequently I attend games these days.

I agree with Darren really. I reckon if I was worth 20 billion like the kroenkes are and owned Arsenal and came home from work and said “ hey hun guess what ! I’ve signed Mbappe !!” I would be in serious danger of a John Wayne Bobbitt type situation. Their brains aren’t wired the same.

Yeah, chicks who don't want to buy the new Mbappe or a Chateau Lafite-Rothschild 1986 - how f&%#ing weird are they? Given half a chance, they'd probably waste your mutually-acquired cash on ... I don't know ... human rights or something. Mental.

Eh. It’s a bit early to be hitting the sauce already surely ?


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