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Post #505161  Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm 
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I’ve seen people say words to the effect that defeat at Leicester is a certainty I think we will probably lose, but football isn’t that predictable. Worse teams than Arsenal have beaten better sides than Leicester many times in one off games. Are Leicester favourites? Yes. But they are not guaranteed to win.


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So Emery has an opportunity to put a damper on the person the press is saying should/will replace him. The drama...lol.

Emery in. Way too early to talk of changes. It's not his fault he doesn't have the defense we need. And since Wenger we have taken a lot of control from the manager.

How is it not his fault? Whose fault is it? Nancy Pelosi?

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Post #505163  Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:05 pm 
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Not a lot to say about that shitfest.

I really wonder now if our players are overrrated. It can't be just down to Emery.


It can be.

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The thing about us sacking Emery, as Arseblog pointed out, is that it is nothing personal. Managers come and go and it's not like we would be throwing him out on the street. He and his staff will be paid-off handsomely and he will soon find another job in Spain.

Emery has given it his best shot and it just hasn't worked out. A bit like a bad marriage that's become stale, it's clear it isn't working and it's time for both sides to move on before things become nasty.

Make a change before the chances of top four are really blown.


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Emery has given it his best shot and it just hasn't worked out. A bit like a bad marriage that's become stale,


Except both parties have sworn before God, '...till death do us part...' :42laughter:

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I wouldn't cry if Rodgers is brought in. I also am not sure how much veracity we can put in the rumors of Emery being on the outs.

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Rodgers-Leicester might win by default Saturday. No telling what will happen with VAR.

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So Mustafi did the hand to the ear celebration after scoring againest a bunch of total no marks. If ever there was an example of why we are so adrift.


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Rodgers has a job interview Saturday.

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...could Man Utd go for Rodgers as well? That's a thought. Poch's stock has gone down.

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So Emery has an opportunity to put a damper on the person the press is saying should/will replace him. The drama...lol.

Emery in. Way too early to talk of changes. It's not his fault he doesn't have the defense we need. And since Wenger we have taken a lot of control from the manager.


He is failing in all departments. Lack of attacking nous despite the talented personnel. A midfield that fails to link play. He had 18 months to sort out the defence. The AW excuse is over. Last season he did not have key buys in Pépé, Tierney, and to a lesser extent Ceballos. I do not hold out high hopes that he will gel Saliba effectively into this team. He has failed to gel this season's marquee buy yet. Maybe it is the players who are letting him down. So, be ruthless about it. And come up with a more encouraging team play. Our current play is disjointed and poor. The players cannot find each other on the field. So many times the full backs had to pass back, and then the hand gestures come to tell the forward players they are not in position for their cross. This trait of play existed for too long already. Talk about it, fix it. Emery has to take charge and fix it.

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Bernard wrote:
I’ve seen people say words to the effect that defeat at Leicester is a certainty I think we will probably lose, but football isn’t that predictable. Worse teams than Arsenal have beaten better sides than Leicester many times in one off games. Are Leicester favourites? Yes. But they are not guaranteed to win.


Prediction 3-3.

Arsenal lead 3-0 and fail to protect a lead. Silly penalty given away at 3-0, and the panic sets in. At 3-1, Emery make the wrong substitutions, and the floodgate opens for them. Their equaliser is right smack at added time.

Aubameyang refused to acknowledge Emery's out-stretched hand at the end of the match. Lacazette gives Aubameyang a fist-pump for that. Followed by Tierney, followed by Torreira, followed by Pépé.

Dressing room went quiet when Emery entered. Nobody responds to his questions post-match.

Post-match conference: Emery praise team for superlative first 60 minutes display. Said the wrongly given penalty was unfair, and was what started their fight back. Said their equaliser should not stand, and VAR should have been used. He saw a second ball stray onto the playing field when Leicester was carrying the ball into Arsenal's playing area. He also said the second goal is questionable, because Vardy gave a wicked smile at Leno, thus panicked Leno and distrated him from saving the shot. Journalists give Emery a standing ovation for the best post-conference they ever had.

Post match reports were full of jokes about Emery's defensive conference. Emery blames his poor English for the loss in translation.

Emery takes Captain's armband away from Aubameyang. Said Arsenal's group of 5 Captains (BIG joke :1laughter: ) is now 3. Appoint Lacazette, who declines. Now down to 2.

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AmericanGooner wrote:
So Emery has an opportunity to put a damper on the person the press is saying should/will replace him. The drama...lol.

Emery in. Way too early to talk of changes. It's not his fault he doesn't have the defense we need. And since Wenger we have taken a lot of control from the manager.

How is it not his fault? Whose fault is it? Nancy Pelosi?


No, Donald Trump

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https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/11/07/r ... wing-unha/

Go now Emery! (Not Torreira) :20hospitals:

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Jose Mourinho set to meet Arsenal boss Unai Emery at UEFA Elite Club Coaches Forum

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"Arsenal have suffered gradual decline since they moved stadium 13 years ago."

That sentence resonated with me from the last Gooner editorial (https://www.onlinegooner.com/articles/view/4895)

Does it suggest that once we moved to the new stadium, it was viewed as the final piece in jigsaw, and from that day onwards the club simply rested on its laurels, or that we have had bean counters and suits running Arsenal primarily as a business and not a sporting institution?


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TOP GUN wrote:
So Mustafi did the hand to the ear celebration after scoring againest a bunch of total no marks. If ever there was an example of why we are so adrift.

Why does his goal celebration show why we’re so adrift?


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Bored wrote:
"Arsenal have suffered gradual decline since they moved stadium 13 years ago."

That sentence resonated with me from the last Gooner editorial (https://www.onlinegooner.com/articles/view/4895)

Does it suggest that once we moved to the new stadium, it was viewed as the final piece in jigsaw, and from that day onwards the club simply rested on its laurels, or that we have had bean counters and suits running Arsenal primarily as a business and not a sporting institution?

It was described as “transition” when we moved.

That suggested a dip followed by a rise.
Whereas it has just been gradual but persistent decline. The drive to succeed on the field as opposed to the balance sheet appears to have dissipated completely.

Anybody who cared enough to fight has been removed. We appear to operate like a small scale commercial enterprise. I never thought that I’d ever see it like this.

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Bored wrote:
"Arsenal have suffered gradual decline since they moved stadium 13 years ago."

That sentence resonated with me from the last Gooner editorial (https://www.onlinegooner.com/articles/view/4895)

Does it suggest that once we moved to the new stadium, it was viewed as the final piece in jigsaw, and from that day onwards the club simply rested on its laurels, or that we have had bean counters and suits running Arsenal primarily as a business and not a sporting institution?


It was a combination of not having enough money to compete initially, Wenger not able to stay consistently good any longer and then being owned by a non interested owner. Those 3 things the most.

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AmericanGooner wrote:
Bored wrote:
"Arsenal have suffered gradual decline since they moved stadium 13 years ago."

That sentence resonated with me from the last Gooner editorial (https://www.onlinegooner.com/articles/view/4895)

Does it suggest that once we moved to the new stadium, it was viewed as the final piece in jigsaw, and from that day onwards the club simply rested on its laurels, or that we have had bean counters and suits running Arsenal primarily as a business and not a sporting institution?


It was a combination of not having enough money to compete initially, Wenger not able to stay consistently good any longer and then being owned by a non interested owner. Those 3 things the most.

All sounds about right.

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Bernard wrote:
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So Mustafi did the hand to the ear celebration after scoring againest a bunch of total no marks. If ever there was an example of why we are so adrift.

Why does his goal celebration show why we’re so adrift?


Probably because the ear cupping suggests his critcs have been silenced, as if his goal against european nobodies is a comprehensive answer to the criticism of his form and ability when it absolutley is not, so could point to a lack of understanding of the situation and the higher aims of the club and fans.

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Ash wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Why does his goal celebration show why we’re so adrift?

Probably because the ear cupping suggests his critcs have been silenced, as if his goal against european nobodies is a comprehensive answer to the criticism of his form and ability when it absolutley is not, so could point to a lack of understanding of the situation and the higher aims of the club and fans.

Good grief, so you think under the ownership regime the club has higher aims? I wish I shared your faith in Stan.

On the overall point I think a fuss is probably being made over very little.


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Bernard wrote:
Ash wrote:
Probably because the ear cupping suggests his critcs have been silenced, as if his goal against european nobodies is a comprehensive answer to the criticism of his form and ability when it absolutley is not, so could point to a lack of understanding of the situation and the higher aims of the club and fans.

Good grief, so you think under the ownership regime the club has higher aims? I wish I shared your faith in Stan.

On the overall point I think a fuss is probably being made over very little.


No, I told you why it gave that impression. What the clubs aims SHOULD be and what they are, are probably two different things, which I think is part of what TG was driving at.

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One of the toerags who tried to rob Özil and Kolasinac has just been sentenced to 10 years. Good riddance. His accomplice still to be sentenced.


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Ash wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Good grief, so you think under the ownership regime the club has higher aims? I wish I shared your faith in Stan.

On the overall point I think a fuss is probably being made over very little.


No, I told you why it gave that impression. What the clubs aims SHOULD be and what they are, are probably two different things, which I think is part of what TG was driving at.

How realistic an impression was it though? You said his ear cupping suggested Mustafi believes his critics have been silenced for good. I don’t believe that’s the case at all. But he was one of the few players who did fine in that game.

I think it was no more than ‘I know some of you are not keen on me (or a stronger word) but I cannot hear you moan now.’ Considering the team we were playing, not one of the best, that is nowhere near him thinking he’s answered his critics.


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Emery has said Xhaka won’t play v Leicester, cellabos is also ruled out. So is it a midfield 3 of Guendouzi, torriera, Willock or is emery going to play Özil!!?


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Emery has said Xhaka won’t play v Leicester, cellabos is also ruled out. So is it a midfield 3 of Guendouzi, torriera, Willock or is emery going to play Özil!!?

Yes. He will probably play Torreira in the No.10 position and Özil as a shield for the back 4.

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long time gooner wrote:
Bored wrote:
"Arsenal have suffered gradual decline since they moved stadium 13 years ago."

That sentence resonated with me from the last Gooner editorial (https://www.onlinegooner.com/articles/view/4895)

Does it suggest that once we moved to the new stadium, it was viewed as the final piece in jigsaw, and from that day onwards the club simply rested on its laurels, or that we have had bean counters and suits running Arsenal primarily as a business and not a sporting institution?

It was described as “transition” when we moved.

That suggested a dip followed by a rise.
Whereas it has just been gradual but persistent decline. The drive to succeed on the field as opposed to the balance sheet appears to have dissipated completely.

Anybody who cared enough to fight has been removed. We appear to operate like a small scale commercial enterprise. I never thought that I’d ever see it like this.


You could argue there was a very slight rise around 13/14, basically because our terrible commercial deals expired and we signed the likes of Özil and Sanchez off the back of much better deals, unfortunately a lot of the money was wasted on poor players because Wenger had gone way past his best by that point, this led to us dropping out of the CL and the decline was back (with a bang).

If we don't make top 4 this season I feel the decline could be terminal, Chelsea have surprised me a little but apparently have a huge budget anyway, as well as CL football, Spurs have made a poor start but I think they are likely to finish higher than us, United will get the right manager at some stage with a huge budget to back him up.

Unfortunately for the most part none of this surprises me, when KSE first became involved in the club I spent quite a while looking into their track record, as well as opionions from fans of their other sports clubs, what I found was very worrying and frankly the day Usmanov sold his shares to them I pretty much gave up on the club, sadly I don't think 'new structures' etc. are going to make up for this total lack of ambition from the top.

I do actually expect them to sell at some point, because the asset value must have peaked by now, if we continue this downward trajectory it is only a matter of time before the club begins to devalue, the thought of them just sitting on it wasting away in midtable is not one I really want to consider so maybe just wishful thinking.

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Too 4 is absolutely essential for the club this season. I think we’re screwed if we don’t.

This guy is usually pretty spot on with his info. This does not sound like we’re able to pull the trigger on Emery yet.

https://twitter.com/afcamden/status/1192903963324092417?s=21

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Darren wrote:
Too 4 is absolutely essential for the club this season. I think we’re screwed if we don’t.

This guy is usually pretty spot on with his info. This does not sound like we’re able to pull the trigger on Emery yet.

https://twitter.com/afcamden/status/1192903963324092417?s=21


Hi Darren,

It seems a preposterous notion that a club as wealthy as Arsenal cannot afford to sack a manager.


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Today reminds me of the latter days of Wenger. I want us to either win or be humiliated in defeat, anything else just seems a waste of time.


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Today reminds me of the latter days of Wenger. I want us to either win or be humiliated in defeat, anything else just seems a waste of time.


I know what you mean. There is an inevitability about it all so it just feels like a massive waste of time and effort until a new manager is appointed. Even Emery is starting to talk of fans having patience and difficult circumstances so he must be feeling the pressure.


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Was hoping the AG lucky charm aura would help Sheff Utd but to no avail so far. Hopefully an equalizer comes soon. :1cry:

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Equalizer! :12hello-bye:

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What?! :8angers:

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C'mon Blades.

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VAR is taking entirely too long. They must find a way to shorten it to :30 seconds max.

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Looks like Leno, three centre backs, Chambers, Luiz and Holding, Bellerin and Kolasinac at wing back, Guendouzi and Torreira mf, Özil behind Aubameyang and Lacazette.
Can never remember being so pessimistic playing Leicester - so on that basis we'll probably win (clutching at straws).


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Feels a bit like emery is just trying anything different now in the hope of something working.


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