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Post #500321  Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:26 pm 
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Seen an image of the Welbeck injury. His ankle is turned the opposite direction. Broken or dislocated or both for sure. I think that is a season ender


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Nani has now switched roles. He’s now become the ref. Annoying git.

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Bollo. Liechesteiner looks like he’s done his hamstring. Expensive game here.

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Oh no, Lichsteiner injured now.

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long time gooner wrote:
Nani has now switched roles. He’s now become the ref. Annoying git.


Nani is indeed an annoying git

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Guendouzi just gave Nani a fair whack. Nani deserved it.
Lichtsteiner chasing a ball pulled up lame, Nani picked up the ball and we know you play to the whistle but when you’ve seen your opponent pull up as Lichtsteiner had to you put it out, you know he isn’t faking it, you don’t go and dribble and attack the space he’s now left


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I like the new Ramsey. He is bringing the ball forward more than sideway and back passes nowadays. Coached or instructed byEmery to play this way?

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Totally dominated but only 2 shots on target. Final ball or final shot has been quite poor today. Too many skied crosses or shots


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Interesting. Mathieu sent off. Aubameyang forced the issue.

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Red card for their Cb. Clear one, Aubameyang sniffed out a back pass and was quicker and in on the gk and was surged down, unfortunately for us just outside the penalty area. 3 mins and a dangerous free kick


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Another one skied


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Oh dear. Horrible resultant free kick. It’s becoming one of those nights.

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Ramsey with so many chances to cross, goes on a lazy run and tries a 1 in 10 trick, goes out for a goal kick. Playing 10 men you have to load the box, make them defend it you’ll more than likely just recycle it straight back in there


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I like the new Ramsey. He is bringing the ball forward more than sideway and back passes nowadays. Coached or instructed byEmery to play this way?


After praising him, he decided to make that bad foray in the penalty area. Pass it in!

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Sporting look to have been coached by Tony Pulis..

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Last minute corner and Mkhitaryan fires it so far long. He did that with a free kick. It is painful to see any professionals do that. A player has a huge target zone to hit from a corner and he has pverhit a 40 yard ball by 20 yards. Really really bad


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Qualification done, would have been nice to seal the top spot but I think I'm right in saying we only need another win to do that as our head to head is better v Sporting.
Europa group stage is all about getting through and resting players - two injuries is not great. Welbeck possibly looks a season ender, Lichsteiner probably a 3 week hamstring - good timing to get AMN back who can provide some very useful multi positional cover.

The general play was ok tonight, we dominated, never looked in any trouble in defence. The poor part was the play in the final 3rd. Too many nearly moments and not enough quality with the final pass or final shot.

Players like Iwobi and Mkhitaryan need to improve their goal tallies and part of that is their confidence in front of goal, only 1 goal each this season. Iwobi has come on loads this year but I still don't think he believes he's going to score when he has a chance of a shot.


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Last minute corner and Mkhitaryan fires it so far long. He did that with a free kick. It is painful to see any professionals do that. A player has a huge target zone to hit from a corner and he has pverhit a 40 yard ball by 20 yards. Really really bad


It happens enough, that unless you’re a corner specialist, it seems like one of those things that just happens sometimes. Annoying though.

We got the qualification, but really it was bound to happen sooner or later. The lacklustre final ball and finishing plus injury to Welbeck and Lichtsteiner make it a bad night for us all in all. Frustrating to watch, may Nani catch his scrotum in a zipper and drop his phone on his face in bed.

That we can take our foot off the gas for the remaining easy games and play Nketiah is the only positive.

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Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club & Ramsay can go as well. We need cover at the back to replace Monreal, Leichensteiner & cover for Bellerin. Start looking now for long term replacements.

The other thing is the old failings of breaking down real defensive performances by our opponents still persist. Emery has done well but we have a long way to go.

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Last minute corner and Mkhitaryan fires it so far long. He did that with a free kick. It is painful to see any professionals do that. A player has a huge target zone to hit from a corner and he has pverhit a 40 yard ball by 20 yards. Really really bad


It happens enough, that unless you’re a corner specialist, it seems like one of those things that just happens sometimes. Annoying though.

We got the qualification, but really it was bound to happen sooner or later. The lacklustre final ball and finishing plus injury to Welbeck and Lichtsteiner make it a bad night for us all in all. Frustrating to watch, may Nani catch his scrotum in a zipper and drop his phone on his face in bed.

That we can take our foot off the gas for the remaining easy games and play Nketiah is the only positive.


If it's a long term injury for Welbeck, could well be the end of his Arsenal career. Would the club offer him a new contract like they did Cazorla? Let's see what Nketiah can do... at least Emery have time to decide whether to buy another forward or not in Jan.


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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club & Ramsay can go as well. We need cover at the back to replace Monreal, Leichensteiner & cover for Bellerin. Start looking now for long term replacements.

The other thing is the old failings of breaking down real defensive performances by our opponents still persist. Emery has done well but we have a long way to go.


It’s hard to assess whether this was us failing to break a team down, obviously we did fail to break them down, or whether you can say we were missing Özil Laca Torreira Bellerin Leno(although that’s a stretch) and they would have made the difference. But I agree there was enough there to get the win and with better final balls and set pieces we would have given ourselves a far better shot at it.

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Alas, Smith-Rowe is not yet there, as evidenced from today's game. He could not do much in his midfield role. Part of it was the fouls (unseen by ref, or preference to ignore) from the Sporting players to break up play. The other part is his game did not match his confidence.

Iwobi couldn't carry the team today. With Özil out, He knew it was up to him. He tried but just could not.

Ramsey was playing for a job offer, from elsewhere.

Mkhitaryan was the most effective of the lot, but his final ball isn't.

Aubameyang didn't live up to his "player of the month" level.

Borrowing from an old phrase, "we played with the handbrake on" :1laughter: :20hospitals: :42laughter:

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https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... g-15391493

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https://www.caughtoffside.com/2018/11/0 ... -sporting/

what I've been saying for a long time too

he is really a waste of space, and not half as hard working as Alexis

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After 13 straight wins, it is 3 straight draws, 10 more to come?

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gooner7 wrote:
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2018/11/08/arsenal-fans-fume-at-henrikh-mkhitaryan-form-vs-sporting/

what I've been saying for a long time too

he is really a waste of space, and not half as hard working as Alexis


I think he flatters to deceive. He can sometime move he ball around quite nicely but he seems to lack that final assist and doesn’t get himself into scoring positions enough.

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We didn't lose. 3 straight draws and 2 of them we outplayed the opposition and deserved the win. I'll take that kind of draw any day of the week if we have to draw.

We threw together a bunch of players who didn't play together and it was like one of our old league cup matches when we played the kids. What I liked about Emery was he was going to make sure they earned their draw and we had opportunities. Unfortunately it wasn't our day (or rather night). We will go through and we look good in the competition. No problems there.


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I know this won't be popular but with Welbeck out and Chelsea rumored to be looking to get rid of Giroud despite what the manager says, why not bring him back for a year or two? He's 31. Always been a great sub off the bench.

I still think we can do much better on the right than Mhykatairan. His last two matches he's been better than his start with us but I don't think he'll do any better. Either one of the younger players or a much better winger.


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I know this won't be popular but with Welbeck out and Chelsea rumored to be looking to get rid of Giroud despite what the manager says, why not bring him back for a year or two? He's 31. Always been a great sub off the bench.

I still think we can do much better on the right than Mhykatairan. His last two matches he's been better than his start with us but I don't think he'll do any better. Either one of the younger players or a much better winger.


Start to bring the younger players in, or buy a top class replacement. Getting Giroud back is deja-vu, something that old guard would do (hint: you know him :42laughter: )

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Gutted for Welbeck.

I wonder what this means for him now. Hes out of contract in the summer and palace were rumoured to be after him in January. This might lead him to need to renew his contract as he won’t be able to find a new club whilst having such a serious injury.

Also do wonder if the club may need into the market in January. Having only 2 strikers probably isn’t enough considering the amount of games we will have to play after December

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City not playing by the rules you say Babu? And in other news, water is wet.

It's more than that though. Football is on the verge of huge changes. Bigger than the Premier League hype even.

The European Super League is coming, there's no doubt.
UEFA and their Champions League will be worth nothing.
TBH it's boring as hell now anyway. Only 1 game a night really worth watching in the group stages.
They're trying to make it MORE entertaining by having games at 7PM and 9PM now?
No-one watches 4 hours of football not involving their team. It might be running in the background, but seriously?

I have the Champions Simucast running in the background. All the games live, you only watch the goals because they alert you to it, and I then watch the last 7 to 8 minutes quite intently, as that's the only bit that interests me. A bit like watching Basketball.

What I want to watch is the biggest teams in Europa playing each other every week.
I want a Super League, with ManU, ManC, Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham from England, Barca, Real and Atletico from Spain, Dortmund and Bayern, Juve, AC Milan and Inter, sadly Paris as well, and then a few lesser teams, just to get the League up to 20 or 22.

Top of the pile of lesser teams, Benfica, Porto, Arsenal, Ajax, Roma, Lazio, Sevilla, Valencia... although none of them is really a top draw.

Maybe have some promotion/relegation system, but I don't really care for that.

It would make the Leagues in England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain fair and open again, you could have a system where ONLY players from that particular country could play for the team, or at least the majority of the team should be from that Country, and the World would be a better place.

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I won't be watching any European Super League even if Arsenal are in it. I won't be paying anything to watch it and in fact have started cutting back on paying for some of the current coverage.

That doesn't matter, as you are not the demographic they are aiming at.
In fact you are exactly the people that will be cut out.

It will only be available on PPV or with a Package, and that's perfect for them.

You saw how much money TV gives these teams.
How can you change that?
FACT, you can't.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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I won't be watching any European Super League even if Arsenal are in it. I won't be paying anything to watch it and in fact have started cutting back on paying for some of the current coverage.

That doesn't matter, as you are not the demographic they are aiming at.
In fact you are exactly the people that will be cut out.

It will only be available on PPV or with a Package, and that's perfect for them.

You saw how much money TV gives these teams.
How can you change that?
FACT, you can't.

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I think if there is a European league which Arsenal are part of, i would seriously consider giving up my season ticket. Maybe I’m just small minded and parochial. If a consequence was it reset the English league system albeit from a very low and weakened point it would be fascinating and heart breaking. How weird to think teams West Ham, Leeds and Newcastle would be considered giants of the revamped league.


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Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club & Ramsay can go as well. We need cover at the back to replace Monreal, Leichensteiner & cover for Bellerin. Start looking now for long term replacements.

The other thing is the old failings of breaking down real defensive performances by our opponents still persist. Emery has done well but we have a long way to go.

Yeah, let's hope Unai makes sure to tell Danny that when he visits him in hospital to see how his shattered ankle is.


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A super league seems fascinating at first Babu admittingly but I think it will get old fairly quickly for this reason. The reason why the Champions league is so exciting is because Liverpool and Bayern Munich don't hardly play each other. You can substitute both for any of the big matchups in this super league. Man City vs Barcelona, Juventus vs. PSG, the rarity of it makes it exciting.

If this happens on a week in, week out basis, its like watching Ali vs. Foreman XIV. I would get bored. Maybe not the younger viewers, but I certainly would miss seeing Charlton, Preston NE or Derby County come back into the top flight and they knock off a giant before possibly getting relegated. I recall in the 2004 season enjoying watching Wolves beat Man Utd 1-0 while Man Utd were collapsing and we were growing stronger and former Man Utd player Irwin I think playing for Wolves. Those little moments are what I will miss and not want to miss frankly.


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I think if there is a European league which Arsenal are part of, i would seriously consider giving up my season ticket. Maybe I’m just small minded and parochial. If a consequence was it reset the English league system albeit from a very low and weakened point it would be fascinating and heart breaking. How weird to think teams West Ham, Leeds and Newcastle would be considered giants of the revamped league.

The European league will happen. There is no doubt.

The fascinating thing will be to see what happens to the Season Ticket Holders of the big teams.
Quite honestly though the ones who don't want to go with Progress and Evolution will just be left behind.

Maybe there will be an Arsenal 'B' team playing in the English League, but with only the U21 or U23 team, and with no chance of promotion, etc.

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A super league seems fascinating at first Babu admittingly but I think it will get old fairly quickly for this reason. The reason why the Champions league is so exciting is because Liverpool and Bayern Munich don't hardly play each other. You can substitute both for any of the big matchups in this super league. Man City vs Barcelona, Juventus vs. PSG, the rarity of it makes it exciting.

If this happens on a week in, week out basis, its like watching Ali vs. Foreman XIV. I would get bored. Maybe not the younger viewers, but I certainly would miss seeing Charlton, Preston NE or Derby County come back into the top flight and they knock off a giant before possibly getting relegated. I recall in the 2004 season enjoying watching Wolves beat Man Utd 1-0 while Man Utd were collapsing and we were growing stronger and former Man Utd player Irwin I think playing for Wolves. Those little moments are what I will miss and not want to miss frankly.

Disagree totally.
Who's watching Charlton versus Derby, that's the question. Or Preston North End versus The Arsenal, for that matter.

I would watch Ali fight Foreman twice a year every year.
See who is getting better, stronger, what they've learned/forgotten, etc.

Also, the last few fights of Ali v Foreman would have been awesome.
Ali shaking about, George with an add for his grill on his shorts. :emoticon_mClapp:

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Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club & Ramsay can go as well. We need cover at the back to replace Monreal, Leichensteiner & cover for Bellerin. Start looking now for long term replacements.

The other thing is the old failings of breaking down real defensive performances by our opponents still persist. Emery has done well but we have a long way to go.

Yeah, let's hope Unai makes sure to tell Danny that when he visits him in hospital to see how his shattered ankle is.

You might have missed the change but this is a business not a respite centre. Wellbeck has been with us since 2014 & spent basically 2 seasons out injured & never cemented a regular spot. When he was playing ducks & drakes with us on a new contract he took a risk. He should have been in begging for a new contract. Why would we offer him any increased contract or any contract now he is injured. Money is tight at the club so why waste money. Ramsay is in the same boat except for he is putting in half perfoances to avoid injury. Years ago you could afford to be sentimental - so what do you suggest let Eddie leave to keep Wellbeck. Maybe if Emery likes what he can bring to the team offer him an appearance based contract.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club

You might have missed the change but this is a business not a respite centre.

How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.


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