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Post #499961  Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 pm 
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Red card for their Cb. Clear one, Aubameyang sniffed out a back pass and was quicker and in on the gk and was surged down, unfortunately for us just outside the penalty area. 3 mins and a dangerous free kick


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Oh dear. Horrible resultant free kick. It’s becoming one of those nights.

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Ramsey with so many chances to cross, goes on a lazy run and tries a 1 in 10 trick, goes out for a goal kick. Playing 10 men you have to load the box, make them defend it you’ll more than likely just recycle it straight back in there


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I like the new Ramsey. He is bringing the ball forward more than sideway and back passes nowadays. Coached or instructed byEmery to play this way?


After praising him, he decided to make that bad foray in the penalty area. Pass it in!

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Sporting look to have been coached by Tony Pulis..

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Last minute corner and Mkhitaryan fires it so far long. He did that with a free kick. It is painful to see any professionals do that. A player has a huge target zone to hit from a corner and he has pverhit a 40 yard ball by 20 yards. Really really bad


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Qualification done, would have been nice to seal the top spot but I think I'm right in saying we only need another win to do that as our head to head is better v Sporting.
Europa group stage is all about getting through and resting players - two injuries is not great. Welbeck possibly looks a season ender, Lichsteiner probably a 3 week hamstring - good timing to get AMN back who can provide some very useful multi positional cover.

The general play was ok tonight, we dominated, never looked in any trouble in defence. The poor part was the play in the final 3rd. Too many nearly moments and not enough quality with the final pass or final shot.

Players like Iwobi and Mkhitaryan need to improve their goal tallies and part of that is their confidence in front of goal, only 1 goal each this season. Iwobi has come on loads this year but I still don't think he believes he's going to score when he has a chance of a shot.


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Last minute corner and Mkhitaryan fires it so far long. He did that with a free kick. It is painful to see any professionals do that. A player has a huge target zone to hit from a corner and he has pverhit a 40 yard ball by 20 yards. Really really bad


It happens enough, that unless you’re a corner specialist, it seems like one of those things that just happens sometimes. Annoying though.

We got the qualification, but really it was bound to happen sooner or later. The lacklustre final ball and finishing plus injury to Welbeck and Lichtsteiner make it a bad night for us all in all. Frustrating to watch, may Nani catch his scrotum in a zipper and drop his phone on his face in bed.

That we can take our foot off the gas for the remaining easy games and play Nketiah is the only positive.

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Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club & Ramsay can go as well. We need cover at the back to replace Monreal, Leichensteiner & cover for Bellerin. Start looking now for long term replacements.

The other thing is the old failings of breaking down real defensive performances by our opponents still persist. Emery has done well but we have a long way to go.

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Ash wrote:
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Last minute corner and Mkhitaryan fires it so far long. He did that with a free kick. It is painful to see any professionals do that. A player has a huge target zone to hit from a corner and he has pverhit a 40 yard ball by 20 yards. Really really bad


It happens enough, that unless you’re a corner specialist, it seems like one of those things that just happens sometimes. Annoying though.

We got the qualification, but really it was bound to happen sooner or later. The lacklustre final ball and finishing plus injury to Welbeck and Lichtsteiner make it a bad night for us all in all. Frustrating to watch, may Nani catch his scrotum in a zipper and drop his phone on his face in bed.

That we can take our foot off the gas for the remaining easy games and play Nketiah is the only positive.


If it's a long term injury for Welbeck, could well be the end of his Arsenal career. Would the club offer him a new contract like they did Cazorla? Let's see what Nketiah can do... at least Emery have time to decide whether to buy another forward or not in Jan.


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Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club & Ramsay can go as well. We need cover at the back to replace Monreal, Leichensteiner & cover for Bellerin. Start looking now for long term replacements.

The other thing is the old failings of breaking down real defensive performances by our opponents still persist. Emery has done well but we have a long way to go.


It’s hard to assess whether this was us failing to break a team down, obviously we did fail to break them down, or whether you can say we were missing Özil Laca Torreira Bellerin Leno(although that’s a stretch) and they would have made the difference. But I agree there was enough there to get the win and with better final balls and set pieces we would have given ourselves a far better shot at it.

Edit:And Xhaka!

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Alas, Smith-Rowe is not yet there, as evidenced from today's game. He could not do much in his midfield role. Part of it was the fouls (unseen by ref, or preference to ignore) from the Sporting players to break up play. The other part is his game did not match his confidence.

Iwobi couldn't carry the team today. With Özil out, He knew it was up to him. He tried but just could not.

Ramsey was playing for a job offer, from elsewhere.

Mkhitaryan was the most effective of the lot, but his final ball isn't.

Aubameyang didn't live up to his "player of the month" level.

Borrowing from an old phrase, "we played with the handbrake on" :1laughter: :20hospitals: :42laughter:

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what I've been saying for a long time too

he is really a waste of space, and not half as hard working as Alexis

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After 13 straight wins, it is 3 straight draws, 10 more to come?

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https://www.caughtoffside.com/2018/11/08/arsenal-fans-fume-at-henrikh-mkhitaryan-form-vs-sporting/

what I've been saying for a long time too

he is really a waste of space, and not half as hard working as Alexis


I think he flatters to deceive. He can sometime move he ball around quite nicely but he seems to lack that final assist and doesn’t get himself into scoring positions enough.

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We didn't lose. 3 straight draws and 2 of them we outplayed the opposition and deserved the win. I'll take that kind of draw any day of the week if we have to draw.

We threw together a bunch of players who didn't play together and it was like one of our old league cup matches when we played the kids. What I liked about Emery was he was going to make sure they earned their draw and we had opportunities. Unfortunately it wasn't our day (or rather night). We will go through and we look good in the competition. No problems there.


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I know this won't be popular but with Welbeck out and Chelsea rumored to be looking to get rid of Giroud despite what the manager says, why not bring him back for a year or two? He's 31. Always been a great sub off the bench.

I still think we can do much better on the right than Mhykatairan. His last two matches he's been better than his start with us but I don't think he'll do any better. Either one of the younger players or a much better winger.


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I know this won't be popular but with Welbeck out and Chelsea rumored to be looking to get rid of Giroud despite what the manager says, why not bring him back for a year or two? He's 31. Always been a great sub off the bench.

I still think we can do much better on the right than Mhykatairan. His last two matches he's been better than his start with us but I don't think he'll do any better. Either one of the younger players or a much better winger.


Start to bring the younger players in, or buy a top class replacement. Getting Giroud back is deja-vu, something that old guard would do (hint: you know him :42laughter: )

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Gutted for Welbeck.

I wonder what this means for him now. Hes out of contract in the summer and palace were rumoured to be after him in January. This might lead him to need to renew his contract as he won’t be able to find a new club whilst having such a serious injury.

Also do wonder if the club may need into the market in January. Having only 2 strikers probably isn’t enough considering the amount of games we will have to play after December

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I think if there is a European league which Arsenal are part of, i would seriously consider giving up my season ticket. Maybe I’m just small minded and parochial. If a consequence was it reset the English league system albeit from a very low and weakened point it would be fascinating and heart breaking. How weird to think teams West Ham, Leeds and Newcastle would be considered giants of the revamped league.


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Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club & Ramsay can go as well. We need cover at the back to replace Monreal, Leichensteiner & cover for Bellerin. Start looking now for long term replacements.

The other thing is the old failings of breaking down real defensive performances by our opponents still persist. Emery has done well but we have a long way to go.

Yeah, let's hope Unai makes sure to tell Danny that when he visits him in hospital to see how his shattered ankle is.


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A super league seems fascinating at first Babu admittingly but I think it will get old fairly quickly for this reason. The reason why the Champions league is so exciting is because Liverpool and Bayern Munich don't hardly play each other. You can substitute both for any of the big matchups in this super league. Man City vs Barcelona, Juventus vs. PSG, the rarity of it makes it exciting.

If this happens on a week in, week out basis, its like watching Ali vs. Foreman XIV. I would get bored. Maybe not the younger viewers, but I certainly would miss seeing Charlton, Preston NE or Derby County come back into the top flight and they knock off a giant before possibly getting relegated. I recall in the 2004 season enjoying watching Wolves beat Man Utd 1-0 while Man Utd were collapsing and we were growing stronger and former Man Utd player Irwin I think playing for Wolves. Those little moments are what I will miss and not want to miss frankly.


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Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club & Ramsay can go as well. We need cover at the back to replace Monreal, Leichensteiner & cover for Bellerin. Start looking now for long term replacements.

The other thing is the old failings of breaking down real defensive performances by our opponents still persist. Emery has done well but we have a long way to go.

Yeah, let's hope Unai makes sure to tell Danny that when he visits him in hospital to see how his shattered ankle is.

You might have missed the change but this is a business not a respite centre. Wellbeck has been with us since 2014 & spent basically 2 seasons out injured & never cemented a regular spot. When he was playing ducks & drakes with us on a new contract he took a risk. He should have been in begging for a new contract. Why would we offer him any increased contract or any contract now he is injured. Money is tight at the club so why waste money. Ramsay is in the same boat except for he is putting in half perfoances to avoid injury. Years ago you could afford to be sentimental - so what do you suggest let Eddie leave to keep Wellbeck. Maybe if Emery likes what he can bring to the team offer him an appearance based contract.

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Couple of things resolved from tonight game IMO. Withdraw any offer to Wellbeck of a new contract- spends too much time injured to be of any use to the club

You might have missed the change but this is a business not a respite centre.

How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.


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LOL Babu, you know I don't mean Charlton vs. Derby County. I'm not debating if it will happen, it's 'should' it happen? You are in the 'yes' category obviously but I disagree for reasons mentioned prior.

You are going to be bored. I guarantee it. You will long for the days of traveling to grounds like Turf Moor in the middle of winter, Arsenal needing a win to challenge for the title.

And just because you brought it up, this is their head to head history.
Charlton won 29, drew 20 and lost 36. First time played was in 1936 Charlton winning 2-0 in the old 2nd division and the most recent in 2016, Derby County winning 1-0 away. :icon_mrgreen:


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Yeah, let's hope Unai makes sure to tell Danny that when he visits him in hospital to see how his shattered ankle is.

You might have missed the change but this is a business not a respite centre. Wellbeck has been with us since 2014 & spent basically 2 seasons out injured & never cemented a regular spot. When he was playing ducks & drakes with us on a new contract he took a risk. He should have been in begging for a new contract. Why would we offer him any increased contract or any contract now he is injured. Money is tight at the club so why waste money. Ramsay is in the same boat except for he is putting in half perfoances to avoid injury. Years ago you could afford to be sentimental - so what do you suggest let Eddie leave to keep Wellbeck. Maybe if Emery likes what he can bring to the team offer him an appearance based contract.

I haven't missed anything. I get that offering Welbeck a contract is probably a non starter after last night. But I reckon waiting until the body was cold might have been appropriate.


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You might have missed the change but this is a business not a respite centre.

How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.


What a load of twaddle. The timing is bad but a contract swings both ways. Look after him while he's in contract by all means but gifting him another because he got injured is just sentimental bollox. I can't be bothered checking but at 27 he's probably spent more time with Arsenal either injured or recovering from injury. If he wanted a new contract and secure income, Welbeck could have negotiated earlier or sought a new club just like the rest of us mugs in the real world.


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Babu III wrote:
OK, so now imagine that scenario in your World.

Arsenal are in the Super League.

There are no shite teams to play against. No bloody crystal palace, bournemouth, burnley, watford, brighton, huddersfield, cardiff, fulham, norwich, blackburn, derby, wigan, stoke, rotherham, reading, ipswich games.
the list is almost endless of garbage little english teams that don't excite anyone ( apart from their own local fans ), and who I do not want to watch.

Instead you've got The Arsenal versus Juventus at 3PM on a Saturday!

Best time for World wide Audience. In Asia it's Saturday evening/night. Another game on Sunday as well, same time.

No cocking about on a tuesday or a wednesday night, you've got the weekend to watch Arsenal versus Juve. You could even go. No more $@$*#y grounds, now you've got brand spanking new state of the art Arenas, in European cities with Culture and Arts...and cheap beer and slags if that's what you're after.

You could even have a League of 20, with home and away games, and then a Finalisimolto Round where the Top 8 teams play each other in a Tournament to decide the World Champion of Soccer, and these games are played in different venues around the World.


Why imagine it when we've got yours and American Gooners constant outpourings of unfiltered rubbish to read.


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Despite the draw I thought Arsenal played really well to try and break down the Sporting wall of 11. We came very close and won the ball back with ease most of the time. And that with players that don't play together all the time.

I said that Emery should be judged on progress over the first 3 months. Some said this was too early. IMO he's doing a great job and has made significant progress. Exactly what Wenger couldn't do. Enjoying every game. :58big-emoticons:


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I'll also add that as gutted as I am for Welbeck (it looks a horrible injury) this will surely mean Eddie gets some game time. Looking forward to seeing how he does. He could be a gem who will save the club millions.


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Bernard wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
You might have missed the change but this is a business not a respite centre.

How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.

I completely agree with you and Tom C on this.

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How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.

What a load of twaddle. The timing is bad but a contract swings both ways. Look after him while he's in contract by all means but gifting him another because he got injured is just sentimental bollox. I can't be bothered checking but at 27 he's probably spent more time with Arsenal either injured or recovering from injury. If he wanted a new contract and secure income, Welbeck could have negotiated earlier or sought a new club just like the rest of us mugs in the real world.

It isn't sentimental bollocks at all. It's looking after the club's best interests. Thank heavens you're not employed by Arsenal in a capacity to influence the decision. You'd ensure top players or prospects would think twice about joining us and the ones we already have might consider going, because the club wouldn't be perceived as looking after players who get injured playing for it.


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I completely agree with you and Tom C on this.

Perry Groves, part of the football community, has urged the club to extend Welbeck's contract. Make no mistake, how Arsenal act towards Welbeck now will be discussed by players not only at Arsenal but other clubs. It's reputation will be affected by this and Arsenal giving him another year on the same money will enhance it. Booting him out as soon as possible will damage it. That will surely influence players' eagerness or otherwise to stay or join. Because while the chances are against it, every player knows what happened to Welbeck could happen to them.

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Bernard wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
You might have missed the change but this is a business not a respite centre.

How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.


He’s a decent player but if the only reason he would sign a contract with arsenal is because he’s injured and can’t entertain offers from elsewhere then it’s basically us being a weak touch. Surely the players can’t have it both ways. I respect what we did on Ramsey which sounds pure greed on his part but hope an amicable solution can be found on this.

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How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.


What a load of twaddle. The timing is bad but a contract swings both ways. Look after him while he's in contract by all means but gifting him another because he got injured is just sentimental bollox. I can't be bothered checking but at 27 he's probably spent more time with Arsenal either injured or recovering from injury. If he wanted a new contract and secure income, Welbeck could have negotiated earlier or sought a new club just like the rest of us mugs in the real world.


Actually I have to agree on this. If you let your insurance policy run out and have an accident it’s not the insurance company’s fault. He hasn’t signed a contract because he couldn’t agree a salary. There’s a reason these twats are having problems because they are asking for unrealistic demands that arsenal can’t mirror. You can’t have it both ways Danny

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Post #499999  Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:19 pm 
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Bernard wrote:
Decaf wrote:
I completely agree with you and Tom C on this.

Perry Groves, part of the football community, has urged the club to extend Welbeck's contract. Make no mistake, how Arsenal act towards Welbeck now will be discussed by players not only at Arsenal but other clubs. It's reputation will be affected by this and Arsenal giving him another year on the same money will enhance it. Booting him out as soon as possible will damage it. That will surely influence players' eagerness or otherwise to stay or join. Because while the chances are against it, every player knows what happened to Welbeck could happen to them.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talkspor ... roves/amp/


He’s on 5.2 million quid a season and he didn’t sign a new deal because he wanted more and to screw the club on every penny till the last moment his contract was up. 5.2m is a hell of a price to pay for a player who won’t play for a season just for PR

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Post #500000  Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:33 pm 
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grantyboy wrote:
Bernard wrote:
How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.


What a load of twaddle. The timing is bad but a contract swings both ways. Look after him while he's in contract by all means but gifting him another because he got injured is just sentimental bollox. I can't be bothered checking but at 27 he's probably spent more time with Arsenal either injured or recovering from injury. If he wanted a new contract and secure income, Welbeck could have negotiated earlier or sought a new club just like the rest of us mugs in the real world.


Yes this is absolutely spot on. Totally agree

It’s actually the plot of the Tom Cruise movie Jerry Maguire If you think about it. :laughing7:

Player asks for too much money, “ show me the money” goes out of contract in order to attain a bigger one and risks getting injured.

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