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Post #499401  Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:57 am 
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You seem to want to have your cake and eat it, Top Gun.

I've never understood this saying.



Because you can have cake or eat it, you can’t do both. If you eat it you don’t have it anymore.

You’re taking about having cake THEN eating it. You can’t have your cake AND simultaneously have eaten it. It’s isn’t Shrodingers cake.

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You can't have your cake and eat it (too) is a popular English idiomatic proverb or figure of speech.[1] The proverb literally means "you cannot simultaneously retain your cake and eat it". Once the cake is eaten, it is gone. It can be used to say that one cannot or should not have or want more than one deserves or is reasonable, or that one cannot or should not try to have two incompatible things. The proverb's meaning is similar to the phrases "you can't have it both ways" and "you can't have the best of both worlds."

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I've never understood this saying.



Because you can have cake or eat it, you can’t do both. If you eat it you don’t have it anymore.

You’re taking about having cake THEN eating it. You can’t have your cake AND simultaneously have eaten it. It’s isn’t Shrodingers cake.

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It's better to have had cake and ate it than to never having cake at all.


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I decided to do like Babu and have my cake and eat it too.


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A few years ago I posted a Cake team:

Graham Stack

Rum Babayaro
Trevor Cherry
Ashley Doughnut Cole

Mikel Artarta
Nigel Reo-Coconut
Jason Yule Log

Robin Vanilla Persie
Juan Pablo Angel
Francis Jaffas
Jamie Lardy

Manager: Jose Meringue
Referee: Mark Battenburg

Apologies...

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Decaf wrote:
" think is that the best thing you can do with a freshly baked cake is to put it on a pedestal and not eat it"

I can imagine Bernard nodding sagely to that one, his locks rippling glossily and catching the autumnal light.

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Ash wrote:
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I've never understood this saying.



Because you can have cake or eat it, you can’t do both. If you eat it you don’t have it anymore.

You’re taking about having cake THEN eating it. You can’t have your cake AND simultaneously have eaten it. It’s isn’t Shrodingers cake.

Yup, that's why at the end I put this...

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Yeah, I'm eating my cake...


It's about that one moment in time, where all that exists in the Universe is you and a cake. It isn't in a box, you can see it, and most definitely there is an option there to eat it. Why would anyone chose the option " Do bugger all" ? It's a cake, after all.
Even if you didn't like cake you could, I assume, take it as if to eat it, and then throw it away. So why would anyone take the option " I want to have a cake but NOT eat it? " That is my question.

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And as it's Wednesday, another in a long and fascinating set of pictures...
This is the Wenger 85mm Nomad
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The first two were the Swiss Clipper and then the Wenger Diplomat.
But you knew that already, didn't you.

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Babu III wrote:
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Because you can have cake or eat it, you can’t do both. If you eat it you don’t have it anymore.

You’re taking about having cake THEN eating it. You can’t have your cake AND simultaneously have eaten it. It’s isn’t Shrodingers cake.

Yup, that's why at the end I put this...

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Yeah, I'm eating my cake...


It's about that one moment in time, where all that exists in the Universe is you and a cake. It isn't in a box, you can see it, and most definitely there is an option there to eat it. Why would anyone chose the option " Do bugger all" ? It's a cake, after all.
Even if you didn't like cake you could, I assume, take it as if to eat it, and then throw it away. So why would anyone take the option " I want to have a cake but NOT eat it? " That is my question.

Budgeting, bro.

Although this logic can lead to 'not having ones cake and not eating it', as with Tory budgets.

I vividly remember being the victim of this reversed proverb when I was a kid ... hoarding goodies I got for Xmas like a little miser ... and my sister's friend eating the lot.

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Did one of you old geezers date one of these women? An gooner in LA had this pic from his father's days. Why do I have a feeling Babu has carnal knowledge of one of them? The far right...hmmm....talk about 'bell bottoms'. :icon_mrgreen:


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I'm still impressed though, I'm happy with Unai, I got FIFA 19 and have started a 2nd Career Mode with The Arsenal, and will probably be going to an away game again this season with renewed optimism about where the team is going.


Fifa 19 is shocking I’m surprised you can play it. If you play your striker in through on goal with yards to spare the defender always catches him. It’s just not fun and seems a scramble. Think I will persist for a bit then ditch it

Very true, but that's the only negative, and you can get round it. You have to change your playing style a bit, but...
The GOOD things about it...
""Real" Champions League and Europa League
the ball rolls more genuinely, slowing down and then stopping
at throw-ins in your own half you get a more realistic reaction from the opposition, whereas in FIFA18 you always had 3 players round the throw-in
You score less goals and let in less, so the scores are more realistic, it was usually 4-3 when I played, now it's 2-1, to do with the ball and the general speed, but I think it's more realistic
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So why would anyone take the option " I want to have a cake but NOT eat it? " That is my question.

Budgeting, bro.

Although this logic can lead to 'not having ones cake and not eating it', as with Tory budgets.

I vividly remember being the victim of this reversed proverb when I was a kid ... hoarding goodies I got for Xmas like a little miser ... and my sister's friend eating the lot.
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OK, Budgeting I vaguely understand. Also hoarding goodies! luckily I was always a great hoarder, and never lost any to theft.
Actually still am now. I still have 2 segments from a Cadbury's Orange in the fridge, that was given to me at Easter. Can't get them here.
But budgeting, yes. I like the Asian idea of Budgeting...I've got 1,000 Rupees/Baht/Dollar, and now I am going to...spend 1,000 of them. Yay!

Life is short and days are long when you're young. Thanks Paul Weller.

I've just gone to the fridge and am eating one piece as I type. Mrs. Babu got the other one.

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Did one of you old geezers date one of these women? An gooner in LA had this pic from his father's days. Why do I have a feeling Babu has carnal knowledge of one of them? The far right...hmmm....talk about 'bell bottoms'. :icon_mrgreen:

Sadly I was too young. I was only a teenager at the end of the 70s, a horribly spotty little herbert, it was the Eighties in England that made a man of me...
Also the picture looks more like LA than Southend to me. But the fashion, yeah, I would!

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Arsenal legend Paul Merson says Gunners are ‘all over the place defensively’ despite 9 win streak

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Arsenal legend Paul Merson says Gunners are ‘all over the place defensively’ despite 9 win streak

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... nal-emery/

We'll see when we face liverpool. Nice season so far. Excellent wakeup call at the beginning. Then a stretch of not too tough but decent opposition to sort things out.

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Is May about to tell the Dupers to "do one".. exciting times!

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This has been debate in pubs all over. Which club had the greatest PL season? I think our invincibles and last season's City side stick out for me. But to be fair, I wasn't around in the early days of the PL.

It's tough to argue against an unbeaten season. Did we even look like losing? City didn't look like losing through the calendar season..till they lost. The Man Utd treble season stands out but they won the league by a point. I think the 2000 side was more dominant in terms of the league. Their 3 losses includes a 5-0 drubbing at Chelsea and a 3-0 loss at Newcastle so....

Tough but as I said, I'm biased.

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This has been debate in pubs all over. Which club had the greatest PL season? I think our invincibles and last season's City side stick out for me. But to be fair, I wasn't around in the early days of the PL.

It's tough to argue against an unbeaten season. Did we even look like losing? City didn't look like losing through the calendar season..till they lost. The Man Utd treble season stands out but they won the league by a point. I think the 2000 side was more dominant in terms of the league. Their 3 losses includes a 5-0 drubbing at Chelsea and a 3-0 loss at Newcastle so....

Tough but as I said, I'm biased.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45759826

It might be strange today but if you put all those title teams against each other I could quite easily see the first Chelsea team under Mourinho coming out on top - certainly in one off games. Only 15 goals conceded all season and 25 clean sheets. Could any of the other great teams have broken them down?
The invisibles will always have one thing the others never got so I’d always back them in an argument with other fans but that Mourinho team was ruthlessly brilliant, not as easy on the eye as the others but they didn’t care


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Did one of you old geezers date one of these women? An gooner in LA had this pic from his father's days. Why do I have a feeling Babu has carnal knowledge of one of them? The far right...hmmm....talk about 'bell bottoms'. :icon_mrgreen:

That's French singer-songwriter Francois Hardy on the right circa 1969 :

She's 25 there.

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Decaf wrote:
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Arsenal legend Paul Merson says Gunners are ‘all over the place defensively’ despite 9 win streak

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... nal-emery/

We'll see when we face liverpool. Nice season so far. Excellent wakeup call at the beginning. Then a stretch of not too tough but decent opposition to sort things out.

Following on from what you call "decent opposition", it should be remembered that we have played some fairly decent teams over the winning run. Cardiff are the only side who I perceive as being close to relegation certainties (Huddersfield are the other but we haven't played them yet). Newcastle and Fulham may struggle, but my own bet would be on them surviving, even if only just. We've beaten Newcastle and Fulham away, as well as in Cardiff a Warnock-led side who try to make up for a lack of quality with fight. I don't see any of those three away from home as a walk in the park.

At home we've beaten West Ham, Everton and a Watford team that had enjoyed a fine start to the season. Dropping points in any of those games would have been disappointing. But they're not bad at all. I'd say the worst teams we've faced were in the Europa League, and both games were negotiated comfortably. In my view it's been a positive start to the season, despite the defeats against City and Chelsea.


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We'll see when we face liverpool. Nice season so far. Excellent wakeup call at the beginning. Then a stretch of not too tough but decent opposition to sort things out.

Following on from what you call "decent opposition", it should be remembered that we have played some fairly decent teams over the winning run. Cardiff are the only side who I perceive as being close to relegation certainties (Huddersfield are the other but we haven't played them yet). Newcastle and Fulham may struggle, but my own bet would be on them surviving, even if only just. We've beaten Newcastle and Fulham away, as well as in Cardiff a Warnock-led side who try to make up for a lack of quality with fight. I don't see any of those three away from home as a walk in the park.

At home we've beaten West Ham, Everton and a Watford team that had enjoyed a fine start to the season. Dropping points in any of those games would have been disappointing. But they're not bad at all. I'd say the worst teams we've faced were in the Europa League, and both games were negotiated comfortably. In my view it's been a positive start to the season, despite the defeats against City and Chelsea.

Good points well made Bernard, and all without a single mention of cake :53big-emoticons:


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Did one of you old geezers date one of these women? An gooner in LA had this pic from his father's days. Why do I have a feeling Babu has carnal knowledge of one of them? The far right...hmmm....talk about 'bell bottoms'. :icon_mrgreen:

That's French singer-songwriter Francois Hardy on the right circa 1969 :

She's 25 there.

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We have had a very easy run of games. Cardiff are absolutely rubbish. Newcastle, Fulham and West Ham have shown relegation form. The Europa League teams were terrible. Everton are decent and Watford have started the season well. It's great to get the winning run but I can fully understand the reservations.

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This has been debate in pubs all over. Which club had the greatest PL season? I think our invincibles and last season's City side stick out for me. But to be fair, I wasn't around in the early days of the PL.

It's tough to argue against an unbeaten season. Did we even look like losing? City didn't look like losing through the calendar season..till they lost. The Man Utd treble season stands out but they won the league by a point. I think the 2000 side was more dominant in terms of the league. Their 3 losses includes a 5-0 drubbing at Chelsea and a 3-0 loss at Newcastle so....

Tough but as I said, I'm biased.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45759826

This will be hard for many people, particularly in the media to accept, but before the PL there was a very competitive league where George Graham took our 1990/1 team to only one defeat. Of course there were a few of Cloughies teams and even Liverpool teams who I think were very good as well.

If they want to restrict themselves to the PL then if an undefeated season is so easy why have the mega rich teams not yet repeated.

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This has been debate in pubs all over. Which club had the greatest PL season? I think our invincibles and last season's City side stick out for me. But to be fair, I wasn't around in the early days of the PL.

It's tough to argue against an unbeaten season. Did we even look like losing? City didn't look like losing through the calendar season..till they lost. The Man Utd treble season stands out but they won the league by a point. I think the 2000 side was more dominant in terms of the league. Their 3 losses includes a 5-0 drubbing at Chelsea and a 3-0 loss at Newcastle so....

Tough but as I said, I'm biased.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45759826

It might be strange today but if you put all those title teams against each other I could quite easily see the first Chelsea team under Mourinho coming out on top - certainly in one off games. Only 15 goals conceded all season and 25 clean sheets. Could any of the other great teams have broken them down?
The invisibles will always have one thing the others never got so I’d always back them in an argument with other fans but that Mourinho team was ruthlessly brilliant, not as easy on the eye as the others but they didn’t care


Hey Rich, I would vote for the invisibles, but I can't seem to find them on the field :42laughter:

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AmericanGooner wrote:
This has been debate in pubs all over. Which club had the greatest PL season? I think our invincibles and last season's City side stick out for me. But to be fair, I wasn't around in the early days of the PL.

It's tough to argue against an unbeaten season. Did we even look like losing? City didn't look like losing through the calendar season..till they lost. The Man Utd treble season stands out but they won the league by a point. I think the 2000 side was more dominant in terms of the league. Their 3 losses includes a 5-0 drubbing at Chelsea and a 3-0 loss at Newcastle so....

Tough but as I said, I'm biased.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45759826


With full bias, the Invincibles!
So many have tried to get a record like this, and failed. And credit must go to the back 4 and the keeper. Stand up, Captain Adams!

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This has been debate in pubs all over. Which club had the greatest PL season? I think our invincibles and last season's City side stick out for me. But to be fair, I wasn't around in the early days of the PL.

It's tough to argue against an unbeaten season. Did we even look like losing? City didn't look like losing through the calendar season..till they lost. The Man Utd treble season stands out but they won the league by a point. I think the 2000 side was more dominant in terms of the league. Their 3 losses includes a 5-0 drubbing at Chelsea and a 3-0 loss at Newcastle so....

Tough but as I said, I'm biased.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45759826


With full bias, the Invincibles!
So many have tried to get a record like this, and failed. And credit must go to the back 4 and the keeper. Stand up, Captain Adams!


Adams left in 2002... that was the year EPL decided to use one match ball only. :1laughter:


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This has been debate in pubs all over. Which club had the greatest PL season? I think our invincibles and last season's City side stick out for me. But to be fair, I wasn't around in the early days of the PL.

It's tough to argue against an unbeaten season. Did we even look like losing? City didn't look like losing through the calendar season..till they lost. The Man Utd treble season stands out but they won the league by a point. I think the 2000 side was more dominant in terms of the league. Their 3 losses includes a 5-0 drubbing at Chelsea and a 3-0 loss at Newcastle so....

Tough but as I said, I'm biased.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45759826

This will be hard for many people, particularly in the media to accept, but before the PL there was a very competitive league where George Graham took our 1990/1 team to only one defeat. Of course there were a few of Cloughies teams and even Liverpool teams who I think were very good as well.

If they want to restrict themselves to the PL then if an undefeated season is so easy why have the mega rich teams not yet repeated.

I should have added we conceded 18 goals in 38 games.

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A touch of real class. Thank's Dec.

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With full bias, the Invincibles!
So many have tried to get a record like this, and failed. And credit must go to the back 4 and the keeper. Stand up, Captain Adams!


My Chelsea supporting friends may talk about how well disciplined Mourinho's side was in '05 regarding their defense but we'd have scored. We had too many weapons for any defense who was going to stay in their own end of the pitch. We'd have gotten a PK from them.

The most enjoyable match may be the Invincibles and the '18 City side.

If we can take part of a season, I'd say an uninjured Pires in the second half of the '02 season (imagine had he stayed healthy? but then Freddie wouldn't have been on fire possibly) would beat ANY side. ANY, Chelsea, City, and even comparing a bit of apples to apples, the '04 side perhaps. We talk about the Invincibles but the 2nd half of '02 with that run, you saw an Arsenal side that literally walked arrogantly into Old Trafford and even with a referee letting Man Utd foul and kick us at will and a determined Man Utd not to be bossed on their own pitch, we did.

I haven't been around from the beginning but as any domestic side ever went into Old Trafford in a huge, emotional, committed game and be completely bossed?

Although a great number of the players were the same, the 2nd half of the '02 season side was completely unstoppable. We spent some of the games in the '04 season not wanting to lose if we are honest. After the new year, we found ourselves undefeated, Man Utd having a bad run of matches and we were worried about losing even though we were likely to win the title.

The '02 second half was all swagger and arrogance wrapped around incredible skill and power. Where even the bench were scary to opposition. A mini '70 Brazil. :9adore-boo:


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Adams left in 2002... that was the year EPL decided to use one match ball only.

Where does this stuff about only using one ball come from? I'm sure these days you commonly see different balls thrown back.


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Post #499437  Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:57 pm 
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The sad thing about Kanye West visiting the White House was that it was painfully obvious to anyone, to both sides of the political divide. he is mentally unstable. His foul mouth ridden, often incoherent rant can only mean he is off his meds. I don't say that jokingly. He is obviously in need of medical attention and the right wing is exploiting it as a man who has now seen the truth for what it is. Even if he lent the same support to Hillary Clinton in the same exact manner it would be a cause for alarm. To be fair, the Democrats would have welcomed that rant for their person as well. The man needs help. And that help won't come because the politics of it is too much to resist.

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Post #499438  Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:05 pm 
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AmericanGooner wrote:
The sad thing about Kanye West visiting the White House was that it was painfully obvious to anyone, to both sides of the political divide. he is mentally unstable. His foul mouth ridden, often incoherent rant can only mean he is off his meds. He is obviously in need of medical attention......


Yes American, it reminds me of somebody else but I just can’t recall who for some reason .....

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Post #499439  Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:10 pm 
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With full bias, the Invincibles!
So many have tried to get a record like this, and failed. And credit must go to the back 4 and the keeper. Stand up, Captain Adams!


Adams left in 2002... that was the year EPL decided to use one match ball only. :1laughter:


Still stand up for leaving a strong legacy behind :12hello-bye: :42laughter:

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Post #499440  Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:17 pm 
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Bernard wrote:
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Adams left in 2002... that was the year EPL decided to use one match ball only.

Where does this stuff about only using one ball come from? I'm sure these days you commonly see different balls thrown back.


I seem to see only one ball being used throughout. Players had to stand and wait for the ball boys to retrieve the match-ball when it leaves the field. There was once the fans refused to throw the ball back, and it took a long while before officials decided for a new ball. And then the original ball was cheekily thrown back when the game was back in play.

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