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Feels like going back in time. Billy Wright was manager when I first started going and he had about as much experience as that.


Can you remind us how that appointment went LTG?

Not well at all. He was 36 years old when appointed. He came to be regarded as a great player (with celebrity wife) who had no idea how to manage. Arsenal got consistently worse under him until he was finally booted out after four years of decline.

In yet another spooky coincidence the replacement was a “brave” or “cheap” one depending on your view as the club unexpectedly promoted its physiotherapist. The rest, as they say, is history.

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In yet another spooky coincidence the replacement was a “brave” or “cheap” one depending on your view as the club unexpectedly promoted its physiotherapist. The rest, as they say, is history.

Wenger was signed from Japan, and wasn't Millwall in the old second division when we brought in George Graham? Say what you will about an Arteta appointment, it would at least be in keeping with tradition.


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I read a bizarre story the other day that a few seasons ago Arteta used funds he had collected (as club captain) from player fines to buy Gazidis an expensive watch.

I had always assumed that fines dished out to players went to charity.


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In yet another spooky coincidence the replacement was a “brave” or “cheap” one depending on your view as the club unexpectedly promoted its physiotherapist. The rest, as they say, is history.

Wenger was signed from Japan, and wasn't Millwall in the old second division when we brought in George Graham? Say what you will about an Arteta appointment, it would at least be in keeping with tradition.


They were both managers at least, though, with some degree of experience.

Obviously, I don't know if Arteta would be a good choice but given his inexperience its seems an incredibly brave decision at best and somewhat reckless at worst. We really need to get back into CL place contention at least very quickly or risk years in the wilderness. Even more so if rumours of very limited funds available are to be believed.

People laughed at Eddie Howe as a possibility because he has never managed a big club and were dismissive of Vieira and Henry due to a lack of experience.


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I read a bizarre story the other day that a few seasons ago Arteta used funds he had collected (as club captain) from player fines to buy Gazidis an expensive watch.

I had always assumed that fines dished out to players went to charity.

Ivan may need a new watch so that seems a good reason to appoint Arteta.

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...... With Arteta you even have Arsenal fans who have been banging the 'anyone but Wenger' drum for the past few years questioning the decision already.


This will likely be more entertaining than the football next season, should be a giggle, if indeed he is the choice.

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Can you remind us how that appointment went LTG?

Not well at all. He was 36 years old when appointed. He came to be regarded as a great player (with celebrity wife) who had no idea how

In yet another spooky coincidence the replacement was a “brave” or “cheap” one depending on your view as the club unexpectedly promoted its physiotherapist. The rest, as they say, is history.

:laughing7: Too late to go down that path we sacked the physio the other day . All these changes are spicing things up , maybe Mikel will offer Ya Ya Toure a one year stint with us . Bit long in the tooth but a lot of players get re- invigorated with a new challenge

Without googling wasn't Wright married to one of a singer group ...... Beverly Sisters .... ?

Saw something the other day Abromovich wants Pochettino at Chelsea ... that would be hysterical if it happened .


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I read a bizarre story the other day that a few seasons ago Arteta used funds he had collected (as club captain) from player fines to buy Gazidis an expensive watch.

I had always assumed that fines dished out to players went to charity.


He's a thief too. Great.

We've got a pagan as our new manager

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Also I do think the age and experience thing is key. This is also why Nagelsmann or whatever won’t be a great appointment because he’s 30. I’ve spots older than that and it’s one thing managing Hoffenheim but arsenal is quite a different proposition.

When the team are getting smashed and losing their marbles in a champions league game who is the wise old head to bring them
Together and compose them.

It’s just a baffling appointment on so many levels

Champions League game - in your dreams.


Not if you bring the right guy in.

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Champions League game - in your dreams.


Not if you bring the right guy in.

Who is your number one preferance.

I would like Ancelotti to just see how the players responded with a manager who has been around a bit. I am concerned that Arteta will not be respected by the team. Ideally Ancelotti for a season with Arteta as his side kick with a view to taking control after that season.

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Just saw this online. A new candidate is emerging for the managers job. A name you all know. Experience in the EPL.
http://the4thofficial.net/2018/05/evert ... lacements/

Yep Everton may sack Allardyce. I put Arteta just ahead of him. Sam will never buy a watch for Ivan.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Not if you bring the right guy in.

Who is your number one preferance.

I would like Ancelotti to just see how the players responded with a manager who has been around a bit. I am concerned that Arteta will not be respected by the team. Ideally Ancelotti for a season with Arteta as his side kick with a view to taking control after that season.


My preference would be Allegri, Ancelotti, Enrique, Vieira, Henry, Howe, Arteta in that order

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The only thing I'd say about Ancelotti is that I'd rather have him than Arteta. He wouldn't be in second place for me, or anywhere near it. Pochetinno I'd have way above Arteta, and obviously Simeone. Low also. Jardim too.

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The new transfer season opens tomorrow, will we have a new manager in place by then and will it be Arteta?
Who knows if he will be any good or not it's always a gamble for anyone that comes in at Arsenal or anywhere else for that matter.
LTG reminded me of Bertie Mee who had no managerial experience and very little footballl experience but he gave me some of my best moments as an Arsenal supporter.
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I really wouldn't want Henry. I think Arteta may be a better bet than him.

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I really wouldn't want Henry. I think Arteta may be a better bet than him.


Why? What makes you say that. Henry has been coaching for the same length of time and greater if you consider youth level coaching he did at Arsenal. He has a longer association with the club not to mention being our greatest goalscorer of all time. Not to mention the unity he would bring our fan base. If you are ignoring all that and choosing Arteta instead of Henry it's likely on the basis of skin colour

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The new transfer season opens tomorrow, will we have a new manager in place by then and will it be Arteta?

The implication from this is that it won't make much difference to transfers if Arteta is in post.

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I really wouldn't want Henry. I think Arteta may be a better bet than him.


Why? What makes you say that. Henry has been coaching for the same length of time and greater if you consider youth level coaching he did at Arsenal. He has a longer association with the club not to mention being our greatest goalscorer of all time. Not to mention the unity he would bring our fan base. If you are ignoring all that and choosing Arteta instead of Henry it's likely on the basis of skin colour

More to do with the hand of god I would think.


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If you are ignoring all that and choosing Arteta instead of Henry it's likely on the basis of skin colour

It really seems you're trying to break your own record for stupidity these last few days. You haven't got the first clue about what Arteta or Henry would be like as managers. And you haven't got a clue what they are like as assistant managers. None of us do. It's not ridiculous at all to believe that one would be better than the other based on any number of criteria that are basically nothing more than educated guesses.


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Yeah okay big guy. Let's break your argument down then. According to you Henry would be a better choice as manager because:

He has a longer and much richer history with Arsenal as a player. Which has zero to do with his ability to manage the club.

He would unite our fanbase. Which, again, has nothing to do with his ability to manage the club.

So the only thing we're left with is the fact that Henry has been coaching for roughly the same amount of time as Arteta, or perhaps longer if you count youth level coaching at Arsenal.

Niall is clearly more than a little racist for not completely surrendering to such a stellar f*&king case. Well put together.


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LTG reminded me of Bertie Mee who had no managerial experience and very little footballl experience but he gave me some of my best moments as an Arsenal supporter.
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It's lovely sentiment and they appointed him after he was physio in 66. Therefore Colin Lewin should be our new manager. Whadya mean you think it's a bad idea ! We did it in 1966!!

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Every one of us on here wanted change. We're getting it. Now some of you are practically asking for a bloke's head and he hasn't even been appointed yet.

He wouldn't be my first choice either by a long way but if it is Arteta we need to get behind the bloke instead of waiting for him to fail.


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I really wouldn't want Henry. I think Arteta may be a better bet than him.

If you are ignoring all that and choosing Arteta instead of Henry it's likely on the basis of skin colour

I know it's difficult for you, but try not to be an absolute tube.

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If you are ignoring all that and choosing Arteta instead of Henry it's likely on the basis of skin colour

I know it's difficult for you, but try not to be an absolute tube.


:laughing7:

Sorry only having a wind up

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Your an idiot. It's such a shame your mother didn’t swallow you instead.

Yeah okay big guy. Let's break your argument down then. According to you Henry would be a better choice as manager because:

He has a longer and much richer history with Arsenal as a player. Which has zero to do with his ability to manage the club.

He would unite our fanbase. Which, again, has nothing to do with his ability to manage the club.

So the only thing we're left with is the fact that Henry has been coaching for roughly the same amount of time as Arteta, or perhaps longer if you count youth level coaching at Arsenal.

Niall is clearly more than a little racist for not completely surrendering to such a stellar *%^@*** case. Well put together.

Thank you Haz.

Clearly TG is waaay too high up on the scale of stupidity to bother arguing the toss with.

Personally, I don't think Henry has the personality required to be the manager. I admit I have no special insight into his coaching ability, my perception of him based on his punditry on Sky is I find him incredibly tedious and just a tad boring. Plus he is a little bit ego-centric in the past and made a few comments recently that annoyed some of the players. Great player, I just can't see him as a great manager.

Nothing to do with the "hand of frog" Dafatone. :icon_smile11:

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Every one of us on here wanted change. We're getting it. Now some of you are practically asking for a bloke's head and he hasn't even been appointed yet.

He wouldn't be my first choice either by a long way but if it is Arteta we need to get behind the bloke instead of waiting for him to fail.


As I said previously he has 100% of my support and sympathy and I don't want him to fail.

I just don't understand why we picked him and think that if he collected all those fines that were due to go to Great Ormond Street and bought his boss an expensive watch instead then he's a lizard pagan.

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I know it's difficult for you, but try not to be an absolute tube.


:laughing7:

Sorry only having a wind up


Apology accepted. I don't mind and enjoy a wind up but hey, racist is a bit OTT.

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Every one of us on here wanted change. We're getting it. Now some of you are practically asking for a bloke's head and he hasn't even been appointed yet.

He wouldn't be my first choice either by a long way but if it is Arteta we need to get behind the bloke instead of waiting for him to fail.


I think Arseblog posted about it well this morning. It's understandable people are underwhelmed, point out his lack of experience and are not happy with the choice of Arteta and want to express that. I find it highly underwhelming myself. However, like you say if he gets it, I'll be right behind him and give him an opportunity. I'm going to take a wild guess that within football his reputation must be slightly higher than fans on the outside are currently aware of. :icon_smile11:

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Every one of us on here wanted change. We're getting it. Now some of you are practically asking for a bloke's head and he hasn't even been appointed yet.

He wouldn't be my first choice either by a long way but if it is Arteta we need to get behind the bloke instead of waiting for him to fail.


I think Arseblog posted about it well this morning. It's understandable people are underwhelmed, point out his lack of experience and are not happy with the choice of Arteta and want to express that. I find it highly underwhelming myself. However, like you say if he gets it, I'll be right behind him and give him an opportunity. I'm going to take a wild guess that within football his reputation must be slightly higher than fans on the outside are currently aware of. :icon_smile11:


Agree with all of that. It's a mixture of being underwhelmed and surprised and the whole point of the forum is to debate club decisions or direction based on what we think. The bare minimum I'd expect is that they appoint someone who will do a better job than Wenger. If they think that's Arteta then fine and I think most will go into the season with low to neatral expectations (based on our own assessments) and be pleasantly surprised if it goes well. However if it doesn't go well then there will be a fair bit of confirmation bias well established and things could turn ugly again very quickly. I'm looking forward to watching it all regardless and am excited about watching Arsenal again.


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I think Arseblog posted about it well this morning. It's understandable people are underwhelmed, point out his lack of experience and are not happy with the choice of Arteta and want to express that. I find it highly underwhelming myself. However, like you say if he gets it, I'll be right behind him and give him an opportunity. I'm going to take a wild guess that within football his reputation must be slightly higher than fans on the outside are currently aware of. :icon_smile11:


Agree with all of that. It's a mixture of being underwhelmed and surprised and the whole point of the forum is to debate club decisions or direction based on what we think. The bare minimum I'd expect is that they appoint someone who will do a better job than Wenger. If they think that's Arteta then fine and I think most will go into the season with low to neatral expectations (based on our own assessments) and be pleasantly surprised if it goes well. However if it doesn't go well then there will be a fair bit of confirmation bias well established and things could turn ugly again very quickly. I'm looking forward to watching it all regardless and am excited about watching Arsenal again.

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For the record, Henry coached in the academy whilst he did his badges, which is exactly the same thing that Arteta did; only difference being that It was publicly reported that Andries Jonker offered Thierry a job - something that was then revoked by Wenger, when the structure of the academy changed.

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So we're just saying anything now?


Well I'm not sure what you are saying ........ I'm saying I think Vieira might be too much his own man for our board to handle .


Yeah I got that thanks Kiwi, it was more the Clough/Redknapp comparison that caught my attention like a rabid ferret dropped in the bathwater.

I too would be more excited by Vieira, though I wouldn't draw the same conclusion you have from him (presumably) not getting the job. Plus as Hazuku pointed out, that Sky sports piece about him feeling miffed is the sort of lazy excuse for journalism that would be considered shocking in a world with any kind of professional standards.

What does encourage me about Arteta - aside from it being change at last, an interesting choice, and the fact that characters as unlikely as mild-mannered physio Bertie Mee and obnoxious interpreter Jose Mourinho have become such successful managers - is that he was the personal choice of Pep Guardiola to be his number two at City.

Much as I love him, I am not so impressed by Henry being the personal choice of Roberto Martinez.

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Personally, I don't think Henry has the personality required to be the manager.

I'd make exactly the same point about Arteta, Niall. You call Henry tedious. Ye Gods, if Henry is tedious I'd say Arteta is extreme boredom x 10. But more important than that, I think the club needs a manager who will go in and 'kick arse' to rid the squad of the complacency that often seems to strangle our performances. From what I've seen of Arteta, that isn't him.

He appears intelligent, which is a positive. But also too reserved, introverted, quiet and a bit of a risk avoider for what I think we now need. For that reason I'd say Arteta is at the wrong place at the wrong time for the current Arsenal. At a worst case scenario I think we could even be moving from the Wenger frying pan into the Ar,teta fire.

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Quite a clear out of Wenger's back room team. So far I've seen Primoric, Banfield, Colbert, Peyton, Bibbo, Lewin, Johnson and through retirement Akers reported as going. From the youth set'up it looks a fairly safe bet that Gatting and Laraman will soon be looking for work.

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So Jack misses out on World Cup week. Not that I care too much but he’s played a lot this season and he’s played pretty well, so I don’t see either as a reason for his omission. I’m actually quite pleased that he can have a proper break – sounds like Lacazette, PEA, Ramsey and a few others will be similarly rested. I rather hope they’ll all still be with us so they can hit the ground running for the new coach.

Back to Jack though, that moment against Burnley when he dropped a shoulder, beat his opponent and surged forward to set up a goal - that’s just the sort of skill that’s needed to lift a pretty pedestrian England mf.

Jack’s one of the few players around who can keep the ball moving, can beat a man in mf and can spot a killer pass; I think England are daft not to take him. I also think we’ll miss him if he goes.


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Agree completely about Wilshere and England. Fair enough if Southgate didn't plan to start him after all the injury problems he's had. But after a healthy season where he's put in some fine performances surely there must be room for him in the 23 man squad? The players that were selected are not bad by any means, but very few of them brings the ability to do something unexpected to the table.


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Well I'm not sure what you are saying ........ I'm saying I think Vieira might be too much his own man for our board to handle .


Yeah I got that thanks Kiwi, it was more the Clough/Redknapp comparison that caught my attention like a rabid ferret dropped in the bathwater.
What does encourage me about Arteta - aside from it being change at last, an interesting choice, and the fact that characters as unlikely as mild-mannered physio Bertie Mee and obnoxious interpreter Jose Mourinho have become such successful managers - is that he was the personal choice of Pep Guardiola to be his number two at City.

Much as I love him, I am not so impressed by Henry being the personal choice of Roberto Martinez.

Vince ...... I can't see why Clough / Redknapp produced the 'wolverine in the tub '.... at the time Clough was punching well above his weight in the league , and Harry's Spurs WERE playing excellent football .

Agree on Arteta ... if the watch story is true it is a bit of a kiss arse which I don't agree with .....but shows as manager with even more power he wont worry about ruffling a few feathers and let's face it there are a few that need a large rocket up their backside to produce better results.

I'm not keen on Thierry because the few times I've seen him on the Sky Pundits show , he hogs the limelight , rabbits on far too long .... get your point across then shut up .


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Post #495240  Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:49 pm 
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Bernard wrote:
Niall wrote:
Personally, I don't think Henry has the personality required to be the manager.

I'd make exactly the same point about Arteta, Niall. You call Henry tedious. Ye Gods, if Henry is tedious I'd say Arteta is extreme boredom x 10. But more important than that, I think the club needs a manager who will go in and 'kick arse' to rid the squad of the complacency that often seems to strangle our performances. From what I've seen of Arteta, that isn't him.

He appears intelligent, which is a positive. But also too reserved, introverted, quiet and a bit of a risk avoider for what I think we now need. For that reason I'd say Arteta is at the wrong place at the wrong time for the current Arsenal. At a worst case scenario I think we could even be moving from the Wenger frying pan into the Ar,teta fire.

Yes but I think you make the mistake thinking Arteta has to be the complete package , a good right hand man can cover any areas he might be lacking in .

Talking of tedium ....watching the Europa final ..... Mama Mia the co commentator providing riveting insights is none other than that dribbling d***stop from the Anfield '89 ....... David Pleat .

Second point ....why do morons let off flares ...you can hardly see the players or the pitch now . Can't do your lungs a hell of lot of good either .


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