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Warrior, I know this is asking a lot but is there any way you can put up a countdown clock to the end of Wengers current contract. It will have to be in GMT and not Aust time. If its not possible I understand.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Warrior, I know this is asking a lot but is there any way you can put up a countdown clock to the end of Wengers current contract. It will have to be in GMT and not Aust time. If its not possible I understand.


haha, good one. After it is set up, link it to his mobile phone.

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Warrior, I know this is asking a lot but is there any way you can put up a countdown clock to the end of Wengers current contract. It will have to be in GMT and not Aust time. If its not possible I understand.


haha, good one. After it is set up, link it to his mobile phone.

All the latest stories suggest he is going nowhere so a phone reminder for him would be very helpful indeed.

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The man doesn't seem to see the world burning around him. We are literally sat around waiting for 2019 to come



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“Why should I change”

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“So in every single decision I make what is right for the club. Do I stay for one year or ten years it is exactly the same"


He simply doesn't see it. Totally delusional, he thinks it's is his club and he owns Arsenal. He doesn't care about the damage being done.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Warrior, I know this is asking a lot but is there any way you can put up a countdown clock to the end of Wengers current contract. It will have to be in GMT and not Aust time. If its not possible I understand.

I'm not as convinced as you appear to be that he will go in 2019. Kroenke isn't bothered about trophies. In my view, he's made that clear. If they happen - great it's a bonus, but that's it.

He presumably cares far more about the Premier League gravy train and under Wenger, Arsenal surely won't be relegated. So the TV money will still come rolling in with steady old Arsene at the helm. I accept winning trophies is crucial for maximising profits via increasing the world wide fan base, expanding merchandising and sponsorship revenues, as well as inflating demand for tickets. But Stan may think such increases aren't nearly as important as staying in the Premier League, and Arsene with his flat track bullies can be relied on for that.

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Warrior, I know this is asking a lot but is there any way you can put up a countdown clock to the end of Wengers current contract. It will have to be in GMT and not Aust time. If its not possible I understand.

I'm not as convinced as you appear to be that he will go in 2019. Kroenke isn't bothered about trophies. In my view, he's made that clear. If they happen - great it's a bonus, but that's it.

He presumably cares far more about the Premier League gravy train, and under Wenger Arsenal surely won't be relegated? So the TV money will still come rolling in with steady old Arsene at the helm. I accept winning trophies is crucial for maximising profits via increasing the world wide fan base, expanding merchandising and sponsorship revenues, as well as inflating demand for tickets. But Stan nay think such increases aren't nearly as important as staying in the Premier League, and Arsene with his flat track bullies can be relied on for that..

I have no doubt that Stan realises that winning umpteen trophies and being the best team in the land is going to increase profits, but I think he knows it will take an awful lot of money, sustained big spending, to reach that point - which isn’t even guaranteed after he’s spent the money. As you say, far easier to take the low risk approach of just staying 6th and taking the guaranteed profits rather than risk chasing more


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Tomorrow could be City’s biggest test for going the season unbeaten. There are more consistent teams, as the table proves, but at their best Liverpool are better than all but City in my opinion.

Putting aside bias, if city go unbeaten how would that rank against our unbeaten season? Looking at just the results it could be deemed to be better because the league has more really good teams whereas we had a strong Man U, and emerging Chelsea under abramovic and also rans. But in the wider context of what City have spent vs how much we put that squad together for there is only one winner. The quality of the football would be hard to separate


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Tomorrow could be City’s biggest test for going the season unbeaten. There are more consistent teams, as the table proves, but at their best Liverpool are better than all but City in my opinion.

Putting aside bias, if city go unbeaten how would that rank against our unbeaten season? Looking at just the results it could be deemed to be better because the league has more really good teams whereas we had a strong Man U, and emerging Chelsea under abramovic and also rans. But in the wider context of what City have spent vs how much we put that squad together for there is only one winner. The quality of the football would be hard to separate

For the reasons you give, I suspect most Arsenal fans would rate our one more highly. But if City drop fewer points in what, as you say, is probably now a harder league (in the context of a bigger number of better sides), I'd expect most people would rate City's more highly.

As time moves on I think financial doping will be seen as less of a negative about the success of clubs.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Warrior, I know this is asking a lot but is there any way you can put up a countdown clock to the end of Wengers current contract. It will have to be in GMT and not Aust time. If its not possible I understand.

I'm not as convinced as you appear to be that he will go in 2019. Kroenke isn't bothered about trophies. In my view, he's made that clear. If they happen - great it's a bonus, but that's it.

He presumably cares far more about the Premier League gravy train and under Wenger, Arsenal surely won't be relegated. So the TV money will still come rolling in with steady old Arsene at the helm. I accept winning trophies is crucial for maximising profits via increasing the world wide fan base, expanding merchandising and sponsorship revenues, as well as inflating demand for tickets. But Stan may think such increases aren't nearly as important as staying in the Premier League, and Arsene with his flat track bullies can be relied on for that.

I have to say I am not sure he will go but I want to grab onto any shred of hope that I have left. If you told me tomorrow that he had another 6/8 years left at the club I think I would just stop watching.

I am sure Wenger will be already planting the seed at board level that with so many players leaving only stability at manager level can keep the club going. It might explain why he has let the contracts run down on so many players. I know that sounds really unlikely but with some of his current ravings I rule nothing out.

Stan Kroenke is an old man. He might see the same challenges he faces from his own son. Faced with being succeeded him and Wenger might be making the last stand.

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Ljungberg also. Watched him vs England and signed him immediately for £3m. That was Wenger at his best too, taking an ingenious punt. The result, one of the best goalscoring widemen in the era with important goals and assists |(one in particular) that will live in the memory banks forever.

Overmars and Petit in '97 also have to be up there despite the fact their spells were relatively short.

Not wrong there Niall ... did he score on his debut v Man U .
Says a lot for our squad today Ramsay would be a poor man's Ljungberg .

That goal in the Cup Final ... most these days would be content to with a theatrical collapse and win a free kick

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Stan Kroenke is an old man.

Steady on he's only 70 that's not old .

We gave the Pakistanis a tune up in the third one dayer today , chasing our score of 251 ; at one stage they were 7 for 3 :laughing7: and after eleven overs they'd scored eleven runs .

They were eventually all out for 74 .


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Not wrong there Niall ... did he score on his debut v Man U .
Says a lot for our squad today Ramsay would be a poor man's Ljungberg .

Ljungberg in todays Arsenal would look terrible, and Ramsey supplied by Bergkamp, Henry and Pires would be scoring for fun. It's a very unfair comparison considering the difference in quality between Arsenal now and then.


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Ljungberg also. Watched him vs England and signed him immediately for £3m. That was Wenger at his best too, taking an ingenious punt. The result, one of the best goalscoring widemen in the era with important goals and assists |(one in particular) that will live in the memory banks forever.

Overmars and Petit in '97 also have to be up there despite the fact their spells were relatively short.

Not wrong there Niall ... did he score on his debut v Man U .
Says a lot for our squad today Ramsay would be a poor man's Ljungberg .

That goal in the Cup Final ... most these days would be content to with a theatrical collapse and win a free kick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_PhjPCeIzs

I also saw the game against Sweden. As far as I'm concerned he never played that well again. It was a superb performance and as a result, by comparison, I always felt a little underwhelmed by his displays in an Arsenal shirt.

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I see Rixy is in deepest doo-doo having been reported for his outrageous racist treatment of black Chelsea youths under his control when he was a coach there.

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Stan Kroenke is an old man.

Steady on he's only 70 that's not old .

We gave the Pakistanis a tune up in the third one dayer today , chasing our score of 251 ; at one stage they were 7 for 3 :laughing7: and after eleven overs they'd scored eleven runs .

They were eventually all out for 74 .

Hmm, someone getting excited about a one-day cricket match. Sorry, Pete, I'm afraid that's what they call 'demenza senile'.

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Warrior, I know this is asking a lot but is there any way you can put up a countdown clock to the end of Wengers current contract. It will have to be in GMT and not Aust time. If its not possible I understand.

You want it to just countdown til the end of his contract, or for when he actually skedaddles ? :sad4:


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Tomorrow could be City’s biggest test for going the season unbeaten. There are more consistent teams, as the table proves, but at their best Liverpool are better than all but City in my opinion.

Putting aside bias, if city go unbeaten how would that rank against our unbeaten season? Looking at just the results it could be deemed to be better because the league has more really good teams whereas we had a strong Man U, and emerging Chelsea under abramovic and also rans. But in the wider context of what City have spent vs how much we put that squad together for there is only one winner. The quality of the football would be hard to separate

For the reasons you give, I suspect most Arsenal fans would rate our one more highly. But if City drop fewer points in what, as you say, is probably now a harder league (in the context of a bigger number of better sides), I'd expect most people would rate City's more highly.

As time moves on I think financial doping will be seen as less of a negative about the success of clubs.

City are on course for a remarkable points total. If they keep it up, it won't even be a contest. I actually don't think that the league is better today. The top 6 have deeper squads,, but not necessarily better teams. The rest of the division is weak and so many teams park the bus that it is probably less likely for a big team to be beaten.

City play a good brand of football but certainly not as entertaining as our 2004 team in my view.

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Ljungberg also. Watched him vs England and signed him immediately for £3m. That was Wenger at his best too, taking an ingenious punt. The result, one of the best goalscoring widemen in the era with important goals and assists |(one in particular) that will live in the memory banks forever.

Overmars and Petit in '97 also have to be up there despite the fact their spells were relatively short.

Not wrong there Niall ... did he score on his debut v Man U .
Says a lot for our squad today Ramsay would be a poor man's Ljungberg .

That goal in the Cup Final ... most these days would be content to with a theatrical collapse and win a free kick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_PhjPCeIzs

Cheers Pete, enjoyed the video. Some great finishes in there...

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Not wrong there Niall ... did he score on his debut v Man U .
Says a lot for our squad today Ramsay would be a poor man's Ljungberg .

That goal in the Cup Final ... most these days would be content to with a theatrical collapse and win a free kick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_PhjPCeIzs

Cheers Pete, enjoyed the video. Some great finishes in there...

and also noticeable how many rebounds were scored. Pires as well was a master at sniffing chances on the rebound.
2 things stop the current team scoring these goals. 1. our woeful accuracy with our shots and 2. the lack of players getting in the box


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Cheers Pete, enjoyed the video. Some great finishes in there...

and also noticeable how many rebounds were scored. Pires as well was a master at sniffing chances on the rebound.
2 things stop the current team scoring these goals. 1. our woeful accuracy with our shots and 2. the lack of players getting in the box


We only have 3 players in our entire squad who are technically capable enough of scoring more than 10 goals per season. That's Walcott, lacazatte and Sanchez and we are selling 2 of them by the looks of things, where are the goals going to come from ?

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Mahrez plying very well away to Chelsea. Leicester by far the better team


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Leicester not resting up, they are battering Chelsea, chances, possession, territory. It is like watching a top 4 team playing a relegation team who just pack defence and can’t get hold of the ball.

Mahrez has just done a shameful dive. Ref didn’t give the pen or yellow, can you only get retrospective bans for dives that do con the ref?


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Malcolm played 85 minutes tonight, laid on the only goal after a good run and cross, don't know if he was subbed to allow a farewell wave or not but rumours are building very strongly about him leaving.


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Warrior, I know this is asking a lot but is there any way you can put up a countdown clock to the end of Wengers current contract. It will have to be in GMT and not Aust time. If its not possible I understand.

You want it to just countdown til the end of his contract, or for when he actually skedaddles ? :sad4:

Just until the end of the current contract and then we could restart the clock countdown for each of the future contracts.

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You want it to just countdown til the end of his contract, or for when he actually skedaddles ? :sad4:

Just until the end of the current contract and then we could restart the clock countdown for each of the future contracts.


Better still why not change the background of the forum to black in mourning for our beloved team, if he doesn't leave.


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I can feel the excitement building on the forum for the Bournemouth game. I am not surprised as we will reach the magical 40 points and safety if we win.

Coq played in a winning team tonight. I wish him well as I think he always tried his best and with the right players around him was effective.

Of course that is a problem that has been replicated time and again -unbalanced teams.

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Not wrong there Niall ... did he score on his debut v Man U .
Says a lot for our squad today Ramsay would be a poor man's Ljungberg .

Ljungberg in todays Arsenal would look terrible, and Ramsey supplied by Bergkamp, Henry and Pires would be scoring for fun. It's a very unfair comparison considering the difference in quality between Arsenal now and then.

I take your point but yes and No .... he wouldn't look terrible in todays Arsenal , the rest of our players would look worse and while I've no doubt Ramsay would improve measurably playing with that trio I don't think he has the same skill level as Freddie , while a lot of Ljungberg's goals were being in the right spot , there was a fair bit of skilled calculation in some of his efforts .


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Steady on he's only 70 that's not old .

We gave the Pakistanis a tune up in the third one dayer today , chasing our score of 251 ; at one stage they were 7 for 3 :laughing7: and after eleven overs they'd scored eleven runs .

They were eventually all out for 74 .

Hmm, someone getting excited about a one-day cricket match. Sorry, Pete, I'm afraid that's what they call 'demenza senile'.


Watch a couple of Arsenal matches McQ ..... you'd find one day cricket is wonderful viewing by comparison .


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Cheers Pete, enjoyed the video. Some great finishes in there...

and also noticeable how many rebounds were scored. Pires as well was a master at sniffing chances on the rebound.
2 things stop the current team scoring these goals. 1. our woeful accuracy with our shots and 2. the lack of players getting in the box

Same ... watched that video , and thought "Gosh did we used to play like that ".... how refreshing we got the ball and first thought was head for their goal . Unheard of these days .

Maitland Niles is the only illuminating light in this dark abyss we've stumbled into .


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Tomorrow could be City’s biggest test for going the season unbeaten. There are more consistent teams, as the table proves, but at their best Liverpool are better than all but City in my opinion.

Putting aside bias, if city go unbeaten how would that rank against our unbeaten season? Looking at just the results it could be deemed to be better because the league has more really good teams whereas we had a strong Man U, and emerging Chelsea under abramovic and also rans. But in the wider context of what City have spent vs how much we put that squad together for there is only one winner. The quality of the football would be hard to separate


Logically it makes sense that if City plays a top 5 club away they will be more apt to lose. I tend to think that if they lose it will be to a club like Burnley, Leicester, Everton or Stoke away.

Top 5 away matches are big for City. They will prepare mentally as well as tactically. However, I think you can catch them (or any big club) napping against tough sides at home.


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Maitland Niles is the only illuminating light in this dark abyss we've stumbled into .

He's a promising youngster but let's be realistic. He doesn't have the technical skills of Liam Brady or the ball winning abilities of Stewart Robson. He's not even a teenager any more.

If Arsene doesn't leave in 2019 I'd advise him to move on, for the sake of his long-term career. Otherwise I can see him being what I will call 'Wengerised' like Bellerin and Iwobi.

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Not wrong there Niall ... did he score on his debut v Man U .
Says a lot for our squad today Ramsay would be a poor man's Ljungberg .

That goal in the Cup Final ... most these days would be content to with a theatrical collapse and win a free kick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_PhjPCeIzs

I also saw the game against Sweden. As far as I'm concerned he never played that well again. It was a superb performance and as a result, by comparison, I always felt a little underwhelmed by his displays in an Arsenal shirt.


:laughing7: " Underwhelmed " ..... there'd be a vigorous debate as to whether any of your adored trio of Clichy , Hudson and Williams contributed more to the Arsenal cause than Freddie .

Steel yourself and watch the video ; but then that's not the Bernadadian way it would be a toss up who is the more stubborn and blinkered you or Wenger .


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Maitland Niles is the only illuminating light in this dark abyss we've stumbled into .

He's a promising youngster but let's be realistic. He doesn't have the technical skills of Liam Brady or the ball winning abilities of Stewart Robson. He's not even a teenager any more.

If Arsene doesn't leave in 2019 I'd advise him to move on, for the sake of his long-term career. Otherwise I can see him being what I will call 'Wengerised' like Bellerin and Iwobi.


I've no doubt he will go backwards ... but I say Maitland Niles is promising and you pick out of Arsenal's finest in two departments as a counter argument bit extreme .


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Steel yourself and watch the video ; but then that's not the Bernadadian way it would be a toss up who is the more stubborn and blinkered you or Wenger .

I accept he contributed more. But Williams and even more so Hudson had skill on another level to him.

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I've no doubt he'll go backwards .

Me too. My guess is we're seeing a promising start that will be followed by his Wengerisation.

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Steel yourself and watch the video ; but then that's not the Bernadadian way it would be a toss up who is the more stubborn and blinkered you or Wenger .

I accept he contributed more. But Williams and even more so Hudson had skill on another level to him.

:53big-emoticons: Well done Bernard ...you are on the road to recovery .

Your reply prompts the question ...which is preferable have someone who contributes more or have someone of greater technical ability say like Patrick Vieira or Vladmir Petrovic .


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I say Maitland Niles is promising and you pick out of Arsenal's finest in two departments as a counter argument .

You're right, I did. I was going to explain why I picked those two, so maybe I should have done. That's the sort of level I think a youngster has to be at to have a better than decent chance of avoiding being Wengerised.

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I say Maitland Niles is promising and you pick out of Arsenal's finest in two departments as a counter argument .

You're right, I did. I was going to explain why I picked those two, so maybe I should have done. That's the sort of level I think a youngster has to be at to have a better than decent chance of avoiding being Wengerised.

Okay ... I see where you are going with that one

... just reading the gossip Liverpool , Man U and City want Sanchez ... in the past say with the likes of Frank Stapleton I thought f*** off you w**** and I hope your career turns to custard ...... however now I think I hope Alexis improves to highlight Wenger's shortcomings .
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Post #488719  Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:26 am 
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Your reply prompts the question ...which is preferable have someone who contributes more or have someone of greater technical ability say like Patrick Vieira or Vladmir Petrovic .

Vieira, of course. But it's you going on about Ljungberg's skill in what I see in a somewhat exaggerated manner.

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Post #488720  Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:04 am 
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Just can't see us catching Spurs with Kane in this form. Our players will be on the beach from March timeframe with only self respect getting them through games

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