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100% agree VVD would suit us down to the ground we should buy as there is noone else available that is better than him, is there?


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Chelsea beaten at home on opening day. How sweet :icon_mrgreen:

I find it incredible that they've sold Matic. He gave them so much presence in midfield and formed a formidable partnership with Kante. Why on earth would you break that up?


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100% agree VVD would suit us down to the ground we should buy as there is noone else available that is better than him, is there?

I wanted Manolas a couple of seasons ago not sure of his availability. But VVD is the one we should go for. Fair enough he might want Champions League and choose Liverpool over us but we should try our best anyway and definitely can't use money as an excuse when we've supposedly reached a financial position where we can lose £50m assets for free.


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....there are negatives here aplenty .
Thank God for that, eh?

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Hi all, Mee’s son here.

August 11th was Dad’s birthday, this would have been his 71st. I can guarantee that he would have spent hours of this one on these infamous green pages. Me and Mum both agreed he’d have secretly liked nothing better. Following a less than convincing opening day victory, it’s also a safe assumption that he wouldn’t have the most optimistic outlook for the season ahead…

Seemed like as good a time as any to check in. Glad this community seems to be still going strong, hope you’re all doing well
Hi Jonathan. I loved your dad's posts and had the pleasure of emailing him a few times on various matters. His sense of humour was right up my street, and I respected his input on many other subjects as well as football. I was off the forum for some months during which time he passed away, and was most deflated to hear the sad news when I returned. Best wishes to you.

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The Ramsey change was totally necessary but Leicester really shot themselves in the foot with the subs they made. Played right into our hands and showed tactical naivety from Shakespeare.
Measure for measure methinks the Frenchman won the day.

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The Ramsey change was totally necessary but Leicester really shot themselves in the foot with the subs they made. Played right into our hands and showed tactical naivety from Shakespeare.
Measure for measure methinks the Frenchman won the day.


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City go top.

It's actually Huddersfield who are top. City are currently second.

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But VVD is the one we should go for. Fair enough he might want Champions League and choose Liverpool over us but we should try our best anyway and definitely can't use money as an excuse when we've supposedly reached a financial position where we can lose £50m assets for free.

Without commenting on van Dijk's quality, I also accept that he may possibly fancy a move to Liverpool more for the Champions League. But regardless of that, if Wenger would like him at Arsenal I fully agree we can't use Sothampton's allegedly grossly inflated asking price as an excuse for not going for him. For the reason you say. If we keep Sanchez, it's removed that as an excuse.

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Recipe for disaster. Neo Nazi, KKK and other such similar groups march in Virginia for the removal of Confederate general Robert E. Lee's statue's removal. Counter protesters, Virginia is an 'open carry' state which on its face is mind boggling. Protesters armed, legally, publicly! Amazed its not kicked off yet, nor do I want it to.
Its insane. If we have to train police in how to use a gun publicly and even they get it wrong, how can a society have 'open carry' with firearms by people who have no training whatsoever?! Insanity. A case can be made for the home..but in public?

Gun laws? I'm sorry but members of the general public should not be allowed to carry guns full stop. Your country's gun laws are insane. It must be terrifying to be there right now.


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Chelsea - thanks for brightening up my afternoon. That was hilarious.


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So disappointing - We've been top of the league all season until now - Wenger Out !


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So disappointing - We've been top of the league all season until now - Wenger Out !


Thought exactly the same .... typical Arsenal go top , fill us full of hope ...maybe just maybe this is the year .

Then that inevitable slide begins ... when Spurs and Man U play tomorrow I expect us to be fifth .

:20hospitals: Might as well write this season off . Oh so depressing


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So disappointing - We've been top of the league all season until now - Wenger Out !


Thought exactly the same .... typical Arsenal go top , fill us full of hope ...maybe just maybe this is the year .

Then that inevitable slide begins ... when Spurs and Man U play tomorrow I expect us to be fifth .

:20hospitals: Might as well write this season off . Oh so depressing

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Recipe for disaster. Neo Nazi, KKK and other such similar groups march in Virginia for the removal of Confederate general Robert E. Lee's statue's removal. Counter protesters, Virginia is an 'open carry' state which on its face is mind boggling. Protesters armed, legally, publicly! Amazed its not kicked off yet, nor do I want it to.
Its insane. If we have to train police in how to use a gun publicly and even they get it wrong, how can a society have 'open carry' with firearms by people who have no training whatsoever?! Insanity. A case can be made for the home..but in public?


I know you haven't got the gonads to answer and you probably wont see this ; but I can't resist .

"A case can be made for a gun in the home " .......Tell that to the Japanese exchange student who decided to take part in Halloween ...... door knocked with a mask and got half his head blown off .

Neo Nazi , KKK and all these other irresponsible looneys .... ???

.. an Australian woman got shot dead last week by the COPS .... AND SHE WAS THE ONE WHO PHONED IN THE DISTRESS CALL .

" Police training " :laughing7: :laughing7: ..... shoot anything that moves .


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And Bellerin just doesn't look like his usual self. His decision making yesterday was not good, constantly bombing forward at the wrong time and leaving Holding exposed. I think it would've looked completely different with just one of Mertesacker or Koscielny on the pitch.


Agree with that. Ox deserves to play there on current form



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Chelsea beaten at home on opening day. How sweet :icon_mrgreen:

I find it incredible that they've sold Matic. He gave them so much presence in midfield and formed a formidable partnership with Kante. Why on earth would you break that up?


Matic probably wanted to be with Mourinho much more than being with Chelsea. But I agree, crazy to let him go so easily, and to a top opponent.

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Just read that Gibbs won't be going to Watford as they won't pay his 80k a week wages and he won't take a pay cut. Mental we offered him that contract if true but shows how crazy football is that a player would prefer to barely play rather than take a pay cut. I think we may need to consider taking reduced fees for some of these players now otherwise we won't shift them

I think this is the main reason we sell players for so cheap. Their wages are so high that the club is usually prepared to accept a smaller transfer fee. I wonder if it's the new guy from team Sky that is demanding we get bigger transfer fees. I'm not sure, I think £10/12m for fringe players like Gibbs that we've turned down were reasonable offers. We need to trim the squad.

Disappointing that we don't seem to be able to concentrate on BOTH incoming and outgoing players. Any news towards transfers in is just dead. 2 players in, both look good additions, but once again Wenger has taken a squad that failed and believes he can make them 20 points better with just a couple of tweaks.

Right now Wenger is talking about having a squad that is too big, and it is, there are 4-5 players that should be trimmed BUT just because you have the right numbers doesn't mean you have the right quality. Central midfield is absolutely screaming out for another player. I also think a player who can play behind Lacazette is required.
On the CB we certainly have plenty of them but I'd love to have VVD and move on two lesser players. However, CB is probably the last position Wenger will be strengthening this summer


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I think this is the main reason we sell players for so cheap. Their wages are so high that the club is usually prepared to accept a smaller transfer fee. I wonder if it's the new guy from team Sky that is demanding we get bigger transfer fees. I'm not sure, I think £10/12m for fringe players like Gibbs that we've turned down were reasonable offers. We need to trim the squad.

Disappointing that we don't seem to be able to concentrate on BOTH incoming and outgoing players. Any news towards transfers in is just dead. 2 players in, both look good additions, but once again Wenger has taken a squad that failed and believes he can make them 20 points better with just a couple of tweaks.

Right now Wenger is talking about having a squad that is too big, and it is, there are 4-5 players that should be trimmed BUT just because you have the right numbers doesn't mean you have the right quality. Central midfield is absolutely screaming out for another player. I also think a player who can play behind Lacazette is required.
On the CB we certainly have plenty of them but I'd love to have VVD and move on two lesser players. However, CB is probably the last position Wenger will be strengthening this summer

Does just having players on the books mean they have to be included in the squad? I wouldn't have thought so. So if Wenger desperately wants to trim the squad, can't he just tell certain players he won't be including them in the squad for this season? Moreover, I would have thought those players would have an added incentive to agree to moves elsewhere, even if the destination clubs aren't willing to meet the wages they got at Arsenal.

Of course, whether they're in the squad or not players will all be legally entitled to continue receiving wages in accordance with the terms of their existing contracts with Arsenal, up until the point they do leave. And if they don't leave, up until the point their contract at Arsenal expires. I also suspect it's likely other clubs would be unwilling to pay so much in transfer fees for players they know aren't being included in the Arsenal's first team squad. But if Arsenal are willing to give up the £50m they could sell a player for now when they expect to him to leave for free in a year (and that's how I'm reading Wenger's 'not super optimistic' comment), is that really such a big deal?

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Does just having players on the books mean they have to be included in the squad? I wouldn't have thought so. So if Wenger desperately wants to trim the squad, can't he just tell certain players he won't be including them in the squad for this season? Moreover, I would have thought those players would have an added incentive to agree to moves elsewhere, even if the destination clubs aren't willing to meet the wages they got at Arsenal.

Of course, whether they're in the squad or not players will all be legally entitled to continue receiving wages in accordance with the terms of their existing contracts with Arsenal, up until the point they do leave. And if they don't leave, up until the point their contract at Arsenal expires. I also suspect it's likely other clubs would be unwilling to pay so much in transfer fees for players they know aren't being included in the Arsenal's first team squad. But if Arsenal are willing to give up the £50m they could sell a player for now when they expect to him to leave for free in a year (and that's how I'm reading Wenger's 'not super optimistic' comment), is that really such a big deal?

I agree with you on the Sanchez issue. In these situations there has to be a tipping point for the fee that means it makes more sense to sell than keep.
With regards to our squad players, they could be told they won't be registered but we should just be dropping the asking price of these players. If for example Debuchy, Jenkinson, Gibbs, Wilshere are on an average of £50k per week each (I expect it is more) then even just giving them all a free transfer saves £10m this season. You won't get much for Debuchy but we should be able to get £3m for Jenkinson, £7m for Gibbs and £10m for Wilshere which are absolute knock down prices. Fees and wages comes to £30m.

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Saw some 'ball in play' stats from the first day. The matches range from 49 to 59 minutes of actual ball in play. I think there is a good argument for 60 minutes games where the clock is stopped when the ball is dead. Time-keeping can be controlled by someone other than the ref who via a mic can call "time on, time off" as he requires similar to Rugby


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Rich wrote:
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I think this is the main reason we sell players for so cheap. Their wages are so high that the club is usually prepared to accept a smaller transfer fee. I wonder if it's the new guy from team Sky that is demanding we get bigger transfer fees. I'm not sure, I think £10/12m for fringe players like Gibbs that we've turned down were reasonable offers. We need to trim the squad.

Disappointing that we don't seem to be able to concentrate on BOTH incoming and outgoing players. Any news towards transfers in is just dead. 2 players in, both look good additions, but once again Wenger has taken a squad that failed and believes he can make them 20 points better with just a couple of tweaks.

Right now Wenger is talking about having a squad that is too big, and it is, there are 4-5 players that should be trimmed BUT just because you have the right numbers doesn't mean you have the right quality. Central midfield is absolutely screaming out for another player. I also think a player who can play behind Lacazette is required.
On the CB we certainly have plenty of them but I'd love to have VVD and move on two lesser players. However, CB is probably the last position Wenger will be strengthening this summer


Morning Rich,

The talk this morning is that Wenger has now given up on Lemar and that we are unlikely to make any further signings.

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The talk this morning is that Wenger has now given up on Lemar and that we are unlikely to make any further signings.

Quelle suprise!

The ambulance taking Wenger for his personality transplant must have broken down on the way to the hospital.

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Saw some 'ball in play' stats from the first day. The matches range from 49 to 59 minutes of actual ball in play. I think there is a good argument for 60 minutes games where the clock is stopped when the ball is dead. Time-keeping can be controlled by someone other than the ref who via a mic can call "time on, time off" as he requires similar to Rugby


Or make them play 90 minutes ball in play and see how quickly opposition goalies suddenly want to kick off. :laughing7:


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Disappointing that we don't seem to be able to concentrate on BOTH incoming and outgoing players. Any news towards transfers in is just dead. 2 players in, both look good additions, but once again Wenger has taken a squad that failed and believes he can make them 20 points better with just a couple of tweaks.

Right now Wenger is talking about having a squad that is too big, and it is, there are 4-5 players that should be trimmed BUT just because you have the right numbers doesn't mean you have the right quality. Central midfield is absolutely screaming out for another player. I also think a player who can play behind Lacazette is required.
On the CB we certainly have plenty of them but I'd love to have VVD and move on two lesser players. However, CB is probably the last position Wenger will be strengthening this summer


Morning Rich,

The talk this morning is that Wenger has now given up on Lemar and that we are unlikely to make any further signings.

Quelle suprise!


Personally not too fussed about Lemar. Looked like a skinny weakling and not really what Arsenal need.


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Shelvey is an idiot. Very unsubtle stamp on Ali, straight red and pretty much gifting the 3 points to spurs. It annoys me when teams do that against our top 6 rivals


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Shelvey is an idiot. Very unsubtle stamp on Ali, straight red and pretty much gifting the 3 points to spurs. It annoys me when teams do that against our top 6 rivals

With the ref two yards away, looking right at them. What a stupid thing to do. Newcastle were hanging in there pretty well up until that.


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Rumours persisting of sanchez in paris negotiating with psg.
We really need to call the shots if this comes off and should be demanding 2 of their players plus cash from the trio of matuidi , rabiot and draxler.
I reckon there is a good chance psg would happliy give up these players to get sanchez and either of them would greatly improve our team.
Lets be aggressive and get something that benefits us , not just cash.
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Rumours persisting of sanchez in paris negotiating with psg.
We really need to call the shots if this comes off and should be demanding 2 of their players plus cash from the trio of matuidi , rabiot and draxler.
I reckon there is a good chance psg would happliy give up these players to get sanchez and either of them would greatly improve our team.
Lets be aggressive and get something that benefits us , not just cash.
If sanchez really wants out then to psg is perfect.

I'd take Rabiot and Draxler in a heartbeat. I'd prefer a happy and vomited Sanchez to sign a new contract but if he won't sign then sell him to PSG and take some of their players as you've mentioned.
Rabiot may be getable I doubt draxler is, they might be willing to lose Lucas moura


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I'd take Rabiot and Draxler in a heartbeat. I'd prefer a happy and vomited Sanchez to sign a new contract but if he won't sign then sell him to PSG and take some of their players as you've mentioned.
Rabiot may be getable I doubt draxler is, they might be willing to lose Lucas moura

Rich, you'd "prefer a happy and vomited Sanchez"? With c next to v on a qwerty keyboard I wondered at first if you meant happy and committed, but I'm not sure if committed is close enough to vomited with the extra m and t. So maybe you want him to be jovial after throwing up?

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At first glance United now look a big powerful side with plenty of pace in Lukaku, Rashford, Martial etc.

Matic looks a perfect fit. A big strong unit with plenty of composure on the ball who gives Pogba the licence to roam. Seems crazy for Chelsea to let him go to a rival.


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I'd take Rabiot and Draxler in a heartbeat. I'd prefer a happy and vomited Sanchez to sign a new contract but if he won't sign then sell him to PSG and take some of their players as you've mentioned.
Rabiot may be getable I doubt draxler is, they might be willing to lose Lucas moura

Rich, you'd "prefer a happy and vomited Sanchez"? With c next to v on a qwerty keyboard I wondered at first if you meant happy and committed, but I'm not sure if committed is close enough to vomited with the extra m and t. So maybe you want him to be jovial after throwing up?

Haha, typed on an iPhone which has a tendency to autocorrect even the most simple words to something completely different. Rest assured I do not have a desire to see the contents of Sanchez's stomach!


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At first glance United now look a big powerful side with plenty of pace in Lukaku, Rashford, Martial etc.

Matic looks a perfect fit. A big strong unit with plenty of composure on the ball who gives Pogba the licence to roam. Seems crazy for Chelsea to let him go to a rival.

Jose typical signings all 6ft + and makes sure players get in the gym. Good template for the league but won't suit Europe.

Both Manchester clubs should absolutely be right up there for the title given the money they have both spent in the last 4 years. It's roughly a combined £1.3 billion!

The player who could make a difference for them this year is Mykitarian. Has a history of not settling quickly but improves vastly in his second season. He's a class act and can be the creative hub for their team if Jose lets him and allows him some slack for his lack of defensive awareness


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It just feels like we had the opportunity to bring in 3 or 4 top quality players this summer but will probably have to settle for 2.

We paid £50m for Laca and Kolasinac was free. We got £10m for Chesney and will probably sell a couple more fringe players for a combined £20m or so. Our net spend could be around £20m which is not exactly the spend of a club with massive ambition.

I understand wages have to be taken into account but its not like we have tied down Alexis, Özil or Ox to new contracts either.

I may be wrong but it feels like another underwhelming transfer window.


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It just feels like we had the opportunity to bring in 3 or 4 top quality players this summer but will probably have to settle for 2.

We paid £50m for Laca and Kolasinac was free. We got £10m for Chesney and will probably sell a couple more fringe players for a combined £20m or so. Our net spend could be around £20m which is not exactly the spend of a club with massive ambition.

I understand wages have to be taken into account but its not like we have tied down Alexis, Özil or Ox to new contracts either.

I may be wrong but it feels like another underwhelming transfer window.


I could be wrong here but are you implying we may, yet again, be the infamous "1 or 2 (or 3!) players short".

No DoF
No new AM
No new senior coaches
No change in transfer strategy
Best player wants to leave

Catalyst for change?. Wenger will never change and Wenger will never win a major trophy but with the full backing of our unambitious owner this will continue indefinitely until both are gone, wake me up at that point please.


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It just feels like we had the opportunity to bring in 3 or 4 top quality players this summer but will probably have to settle for 2.

We paid £50m for Laca and Kolasinac was free. We got £10m for Chesney and will probably sell a couple more fringe players for a combined £20m or so. Our net spend could be around £20m which is not exactly the spend of a club with massive ambition.

I understand wages have to be taken into account but its not like we have tied down Alexis, Özil or Ox to new contracts either.

I may be wrong but it feels like another underwhelming transfer window.


I could be wrong here but are you implying we may, yet again, be the infamous "1 or 2 (or 3!) players short".

No DoF
No new AM
No new senior coaches
No change in transfer strategy
Best player wants to leave

Catalyst for change?. Wenger will never change and Wenger will never win a major trophy but with the full backing of our unambitious owner this will continue indefinitely until both are gone, wake me up at that point please.


It's mad Wilts. Our biggest shareholders are two of the richest men in the world, one who doesn't want to put his hand in his pocket and the other who does but can't.

And one of the highest paid managers in the world does exactly what he pleases and routinely leaves us short of what is required.


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